BP/Wing - OMS compared to Halcyon

"AirHog" <mickey@tekdiveguydotcomiown stevespencer.com> wrote in message
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> I could dive 24/7 and still blast this horrendous, student killing death
> machine on my surface intervals.

Yea, but you'd be so satiated you probably wouldn't bother :)

"James Goddard" <news@earthwarelimited.com> wrote in message
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> "Steve" <srspencer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > You must be new.
> > Hog is our self proclaimed GUE Halcyon spokes person.
> > Or self proclaimed flaming queer.
> > Actually he's both and GUE would like to ditch him like a bad case of
the
> > craps.
> > He comes with a dress and fuck me boots as wore at previous DIR demo's.
> > Be advise adding him to your kill file will not get rid of him.
> > As be careful he posts to himself under many names.
> > Hang around a while and you'll catch on.
> >
> > Last guy tried to drag him over Niagara Falls in a sack, but failed.
> >
> > The main difference between H and OMS.
> > Is OMS roots are in harsh cold salt water off New Jersey (wreck diving).
> >
> > H roots are in warm fresh calm water caves in N Florida.
> >
> > As far as durability about the same now a days.
> > Choice is yours to compare face to face.
> > H does make some crap like their lift bags. (it has been cover here)
> > As for name calling.
> > There's a war going on out there.
> > Gue & H are going after market share and getting it.
> > Whether they are the best remains to be seen.
> >
> > Padi has controlling market share in sport diving.
> > Are they the best?
> > Around here if you pulled out a Padi card you'd get laughed at.
> > As for GUE there is about 99% posers around here and all the do is give
> it
> > a bad name.
> > Around here so far they are kinda looked upon as the PADI of tech
diving.
>
> Then what do you consider DSAT? :)
>
> Seriously though, you pretty much hit the nail right on the head.
>
> James
>
I'm kinda short for time right now so I'd didn't look DSAT up.
We are pretty easy going around here and tend to judge a agency by it's
divers it trained.
PADI's divers speak for themselves.
Whether it's because of volume aka you have to have a few bad apples in ever
y batch, large batch high number of bad apples.
As for GUE a lot of "want a be" tech divers pose as such but do not carry
their card.
And can be seen around here fully decked out on open water shore dives with
max depths of less than 50 ft (over kill big time)
The GUE shop around here had an interesting way of putting it (not an exact
quote, nor with permission)
"You can buy / read about DIR doesn't make you DIR"
So far I have found that to be true.
I would add from a reputable instructor with years of proven experience is
the way to go.(as well as accident free)
For now a PADI cert is simply a red flag whether it be lower entrance
standards or training starts who knows.
Or more aggressive advertising, so they get more than their lion's share of
the loons?
Other agencies you can relax more, it seems the only thing missing is
experience.
Once a new diver spends some time around us and gets squared away who cares
what sport agency he carries as long as he does say he's PADI in public.
Side note: generally we flip him another card after he jumps through a few
hoops so to save the embarrassment, just in case he gets asked for a card.
The only disturbing thing about PADI is the lack of basic background, risk
and rescue knowledge at the basic level.
But this has been hashed out here before and what it boils down to is
different water needs different training approaches, one fits all doesn't
apply.
That's a problem that PADI and GUE shares.
How you solve it, is the million dollar question.
Would I go GUE?
Well for now that's like asking if I would wear a PADI General Jacket or
Airhog's fuck me pumps and red dress.
The PADI cert would get more laughs, the GUE cert would be up in the air.
I do have some pride left so for now the answer is no.
I have just about every cert NAUI, ACUC and TDI put out.
GUE will have to prove it self around here before I buy in.
I have access to a few boats plus my own, so there's really no reason other
than new wreck sites.
As for the tech guys I dive with, they are put off by the poor behaviour and
performance of the self trained DIR group around here.

THOSE WHO CALL THEMSELVES GUE, YOU NOT GUE TIL YOU CARRY THEIR CARD.

WHAT YOU ARE IS A CLUSTER FUCK AND AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN.

No one wants your death on their hands nor take the chance of you trying to
take them with you.

You are a liability not an asset.

Know your place and learn from there.

ok i'll get off my soap box now.

Steve

> You and AirHog are made for each other. I must have missed some really
> entertaining arguments while I was busy doing other things besides
> rec.scuba.


You missed some gems..Exspecially of him insulting Kimber --who was not
posting in here at the time--the first time he did that he became my
personal target.

I have offered to come see him--I have offered to fly him down here and
"meet" me for lunch--all at my own expense to shut him up--I offered to wire
the money to a third party--I have offered to drive and meet him halfway.
He asked me directly for a death threat--I gave him one.

So he still attacks the personal appearance of myself and mine. Of course
if he had a wide angle lens he could take a shot of his old lady's ass for
us to see it.....


AirHog

"AirHog" <mickey@tekdiveguydotcomiown stevespencer.com> wrote in message
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> You missed some gems..Exspecially of him insulting Kimber --who was not
> posting in here at the time--the first time he did that he became my
> personal target.

I can understand that.

Steve wrote:
>> Would I go GUE?

As if. Say, tell us about that trimix course in Toronto that you failed.

Brian
Edmonton, Alberta

> As if. Say, tell us about that trimix course in Toronto that you failed.


Oh do tell....I will paypal you USD for a beer upon posting details.


AirHog

"Brian Nadwidny" <nadwidny@excite.com> wrote in message
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> As if. Say, tell us about that trimix course in Toronto that you failed.

sssssssssssssssssiiinnnnnnnnnnnnggge

You're right. I'm not as creative or as interesting as you! I wasn't sure
that my posts got through (because of a problem with my ISP), but I'm glad
to keep you entertained.


"AirHog" <mickey@tekdiveguydotcomiown stevespencer.com> wrote in message
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> Charlie Haber <charlie@habergroup.com> wrote in message
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> > No you putz, I don't work for OMS, I'm just doing a lot of research on
> their
> > site. I was a bit suspicious about their blatant attacks on Halcyon.
It
> > seems desparate.
>
>
> If you are doing research on their site, you are lacking for research
> material.
>
> Putz? wow. That was over the top creative.
>
> It is desperate.
>
> AirHog
>
>

Jason O'Rourke wrote

> Given how OMS copied some of the Halcyon designs, if the OP can get a
great
> price on it, why not go for it?

Maybe I've got it wrong, but I think things may have gone in both
directions. I seem to recall being told that Halcyon copied somebody else's
plate design, right down to the one inch slot that they put a two inch
crotch strap through. Even if that's not the case, everybody currently
making a metal plate is using ideas that predate the jacket style BCD.

Lee

Lee Bell <leebell@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> Given how OMS copied some of the Halcyon designs, if the OP can get a
>great
>> price on it, why not go for it?
>
>Maybe I've got it wrong, but I think things may have gone in both
>directions. I seem to recall being told that Halcyon copied somebody else's
>plate design, right down to the one inch slot that they put a two inch
>crotch strap through. Even if that's not the case, everybody currently
>making a metal plate is using ideas that predate the jacket style BCD.

Compare OMS's wing offerings of 5 years ago versus today.

End of lesson.
--
Jason O'Rourke www.jor.com