BP/Wing - OMS compared to Halcyon

I have the opportunity to get some OMS gear at a discount. I'd like to hear
some feedback about it. I went to the OMS website and find that they are
very directly attacking Halcyon. Everyone seems to love Halcyon stuff, but
I have heard of some problems with small holes developing in the wings. I'm
interested in the 27# Pioneer wing (or equiv).

I don't have enough experience to know whether this stuff is true or
bullshit, but I'm a little skeptical when a company (OMS) seems this
desperate.

I noticed on the OMS website a 29# wing that is very similar to the Halcyon
Pioneer 27# (http://www.omsdive.com/innovation.html). After poking around
on the site, it seems that OMS hired one or more people from Halcyon.

They're (trying) to hit Halcyon pretty hard, talking about the edge softened
slots on the OMS backplates (showing a Halcyon backplate with a frayed
harness)(http://www.omsdive.com/backplate-mfg.html). On another page
they're warning consumers about easily punctured wings (again showing a
Halcyon Explorer wing) (http://www.omsdive.com/news2.html).

Thanks for the feedback.

> Thanks for the feedback.

You asked for feedback you have it.

OMS is beyond fucking pale no matter who they hire. There must be a reason
for people being fired/loosing their jobs/etc.

You are doing nothing more than fucking trolling and you deserve to dive OMS
gear and find out for yourself if they measure up.


Have Fun.


AirHog

Charlie Haber wrote

in message news:_8pOa.1575$EC6.778663@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net ...
> I have the opportunity to get some OMS gear at a discount. I'd like to
hear
> some feedback about it. I went to the OMS website and find that they are
> very directly attacking Halcyon. Everyone seems to love Halcyon stuff,
but
> I have heard of some problems with small holes developing in the wings.
I'm
> interested in the 27# Pioneer wing (or equiv).

I've got an 18 lb lift Pioneer wing I've been diving for about 4 years.
I've not had a problem with it so far. My wife's 27 lb lift wing has never
been wet, so I can't comment on it except to say that it looks every bit as
rugged as my 18.

FWIW, Halcyon advocates spend more than a little time ragging on OMS as
well. I think it's safe to say there's no love lost between the two camps.
I'd be cautious about listening to either.

> They're (trying) to hit Halcyon pretty hard, talking about the edge
softened
> slots on the OMS backplates (showing a Halcyon backplate with a frayed
> harness)(http://www.omsdive.com/backplate-mfg.html).

This one is deserved. Two of my three Halcyon plates had to be deburred and
the harness on one had to be replaced a little over a year after I bought it
new. Hopefully, it's not a problem any more. One of mine was deburred
under warranty. Scott Koplan and I did the other one ourselves. He was
working at Halcyon/Brownies at the time.

> On another page they're warning consumers about easily punctured wings
(again showing
> a Halcyon Explorer wing) (http://www.omsdive.com/news2.html).

.. . . and OMS wings don't puncture? My Halcyon wings are pretty sturdy
stuff. I think it's unlikely that they'll be punctured more easily than
other BCDs. It happens, but I don't think it's common. If the point is
that OMS offers wings with bladders, then there may be some merit to the
argument, but not much.

Lee

AirHog <mickey@stevespencerismybitch.com> wrote:
>OMS is beyond fucking pale no matter who they hire. There must be a reason
>for people being fired/loosing their jobs/etc.

People leave or are asked to leave for a lot of reasons that have little
to do with their job performance. It can be as simple as having an
asshole for a direct manager.

And every industry poaches people from their competitors, particularly
when they think the other company has a handle on a market niche they'd
like a piece of it.

Given how OMS copied some of the Halcyon designs, if the OP can get a great
price on it, why not go for it?
--
Jason O'Rourke www.jor.com

> Given how OMS copied some of the Halcyon designs, if the OP can get a
great
> price on it, why not go for it?


I happen to think given the nuymber of links to the OMS site this guy lives
under a bridge....like most trolls/spammers.


AirHog

"Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:bedab4$vdr$1@slb4.atl.mindspring.net...
> FWIW, Halcyon advocates spend more than a little time ragging on OMS as
> well. I think it's safe to say there's no love lost between the two
camps.
> I'd be cautious about listening to either.

The Halcyon and GUE websites also tend to bash OMS. The only difference I
see is that they don't bother to mention OMS by name.

In article <_8pOa.1575$EC6.778663@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>,
"Charlie Haber" <charlie@habergroup.com> writes:

>I have the opportunity to get some OMS gear at a discount. ...
>I'm interested in the [Halcyon] 27# Pioneer wing (or equiv).
...
>I noticed on the OMS website a 29# wing that is very similar to the Halcyon
>Pioneer 27# (http://www.omsdive.com/innovation.html). ...

I have Pioneer 27 and Al backplate. I love it, but, given Halcyon's
high prices, the OMS 29# surely looks like a viable alternative.
I can't imagine that in-water performace would differ significantly.

I would want to see the two "live", not just web or catalog pictures,
but from the web photos, I'd likely go with price and local availability.

My opinion: both Halcyon and OMS have some very good designs, and some
poor ones as well. These backplate/wing sets fall into the GOOD catagory.
I doubt that qualtiy differences are significant. Althoug I expect that
both manufatureres have had and will have occasionaly quality issues,
my opinion is that both are good quality.

--
Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale FL USA
(hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)
All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.

What specifically makes the OMS wing inferior to the Halcyon one? I hear a
lot of people complain about small punctures in the Pioneers.. it sounds
like the OMS one is more durable.

"AirHog" <mickey@stevespencerismybitch.com> wrote in message
news:oppOa.2$DF6.0@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > Thanks for the feedback.
>
> You asked for feedback you have it.
>
> OMS is beyond fucking pale no matter who they hire. There must be a
reason
> for people being fired/loosing their jobs/etc.
>
> You are doing nothing more than fucking trolling and you deserve to dive
OMS
> gear and find out for yourself if they measure up.
>
>
> Have Fun.
>
>
> AirHog
>
>
>

Then you too Mr. Requirements man--go dive OMS.

If you make it back come tell us how it went.

We hope to see you soon...not.

Put yer pics on the web yet?

How about Moms?

Want to know where I may appear next so you can insult myself or Kimber in
person?

Heh--I know the answer to that one.

Back behind yer keyboard you ass monkey.

AirHog

Jon C <jcousin1@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>What specifically makes the OMS wing inferior to the Halcyon one? I hear a
>lot of people complain about small punctures in the Pioneers.. it sounds
>like the OMS one is more durable.

You hear voices a lot? This sounds like something pushed around with a
shovel. There's no question that Halcyon's early plates had sharp edges
that benefitted from a bit of deburring, but beyond that, they do the
job just fine.

--
Jason O'Rourke www.jor.com