PADI Underwater Child Molester Specialty Course?

"Alan Street" <alan@nonono_irsi.com> wrote in message
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> In article <GOicnaKhdpJ8Q_SiXTWJig@comcast.com>, lee@willcoxwebs.com
says...
> >
> >
>
> >>
> >> Firstly, please don't top post.
> >>
> >> Secondly, not all children in this world are brash young thugs that
would
> >> assault someone with a social problem.
> >> Admittedly we do have a 'strain' of 14 - 15 y/o 'louts' growing up in
> >> Britain that would happily knife a 60 y/o pensioner as soon as someone
> >> "suggests" that they might be a paedophile.
> >>
> >> But maybe that's just the American attitude to solving social problems
> >that
> >> is spreading across the globe?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >Sorry 'bout the top post. The company I work for
> >mandates top posting, and I sometimes forget where I am writing to.
> >
>
> Mandates top posting??? For newsgroups?
>
>
Yes, we have our own newsgroup on our lan at work and that's
the way they run it there. They want email and news to look the same
and one of the gods that be made the decision to toppost on all.

"Lee Willcox" <lee@willcoxwebs.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Tricky" <scubatricky@nospam.yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:bkcon0$jqi$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > "Lee Willcox" <lee@willcoxwebs.com> wrote in message
> > news:GOicnaKhdpJ8Q_SiXTWJig@comcast.com...
> > > Sorry 'bout the top post. The company I work for
> > > mandates top posting, and I sometimes forget where I am writing to.
> > >
> > > I don't think that "social problem" and "pedophile"
> > > are anywhere close to being the same thing.
> > > Social problems, for the most part, can be corrected.
> > > I think that a pedophile is a pedophile for life.
> > > The only good pedophile is a dead pedophile.
> > > At the least he should be in prison where the BIG BOYS
> > > can teach him a whole 'nother life style.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Hmmm.. strong views indeed.
> > Therefore, if my father beat me as I child, I too will beat my future
> > children?
> > Whilst we're on the subject, lets start shooting anyone we don't agree
> with
> > or has a social disorder....problem solved.
> > Yes, you must be a septic.
> >
> > <Rolls Eyes> And they let a Texan run your country for you?.....that'll
> > explain alot!</Rolls Eyes>
> >
> >
> >
> Ok at what point did I mention being beat by your father? (not me, you)
>
> I fail to see where you got your "Therefore".
> How does "pedophile" map to "child beating"?
> I also said that MOST social disorders can be corrected.
> Being a pedophile is not having a social disorder..
> Twisting what I write does not change it.
> ???? Hummm are you sure you were reading my post ????
>

Your arguing that being a paedophile is not a social disorder?

What do you explain it as then? A chemical imbalance in the brain, like
schizophrenia? If that's the case, then your statement for 'the only good
peadophile is a dead one' should apply to anybody with a mental disorder.
Depression? Fuckit, shoot them, bullets are cheaper than prozac...etc etc.

Paedophilia has been proven to be linked with childhood experience, parental
abuse, and misconception about role modelling in the years before and after
puberty, amongst other things.

If that's not your argument, then please state how you view the disorder
known as paedophilia? Is it a result of social or parental conditioning, a
disorder / disease, or simply the work of the devil (ha ha!).

When you can define exactly what your arguing for, and back it up with
relevant fact, then please post back.

In article <kF2dnTREOf5-b_SiU-KYvw@comcast.com>, lee@willcoxwebs.com says...
>
>
>"Alan Street" <alan@nonono_irsi.com> wrote in message
>news:vmjqjh9nf32668@news.supernews.com...
>> In article <GOicnaKhdpJ8Q_SiXTWJig@comcast.com>, lee@willcoxwebs.com
>says...
>> >
>> >
>>
>> >>
>> >> Firstly, please don't top post.
>> >>
>> >> Secondly, not all children in this world are brash young thugs that
>would
>> >> assault someone with a social problem.
>> >> Admittedly we do have a 'strain' of 14 - 15 y/o 'louts' growing up in
>> >> Britain that would happily knife a 60 y/o pensioner as soon as someone
>> >> "suggests" that they might be a paedophile.
>> >>
>> >> But maybe that's just the American attitude to solving social problems
>> >that
>> >> is spreading across the globe?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >Sorry 'bout the top post. The company I work for
>> >mandates top posting, and I sometimes forget where I am writing to.
>> >
>>
>> Mandates top posting??? For newsgroups?
>>
>>
>Yes, we have our own newsgroup on our lan at work and that's
>the way they run it there. They want email and news to look the same
>and one of the gods that be made the decision to toppost on all.
>
>

Interesting. Dumb, but interesting.

"John Francis CID" <johnfrancis@sympatico.ca.remove> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:13:25 GMT, "chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"de Valois" <devalois@nailedandused.com> wrote in message
> >news:bkc9am0631@drn.newsguy.com...
> >> Sorry Lee, I didn't see that Greg had posted this. Greg, my comments
still
> >> stand. No 14 year old Scout would have the nerve to stand up to an
> >instructor at
> >> a Scout camp.
> >
> >The boys were taking dive training. If one of my instructors had have
stuck
> >his hand into my pants while in the dive tank, I'm pretty sure I'd have
> >surfaced too quickly. Something doesn't add up here, Scout camp or no
Scout
> >camp.
> >
> >
> Strikes me the "scuba" and "PADI" part is a red herring, or just
> another cheap ploy to generate readership. What difference does it
> make if the guy was teaching the kids to dive or bake cookies?
>
> Surely in his wildest dreams the person responsible for sharing this
> little packet with actual divers doesn't expect any of us to believe
> that PADI is now promoting paedophilia. Although the way some here
> rail against PADI it wouldn't surprise me if there are folks who wish
> it were so. 8)
>
> JF CID
>
> http://www3.sympatico.ca/johnfrancis/scubachat.htm

Could it be a new PADI specialty?

"Alan Street" <alan@nonono_irsi.com> wrote in message
news:vmju0noipn5h63@news.supernews.com...
> In article <kF2dnTREOf5-b_SiU-KYvw@comcast.com>, lee@willcoxwebs.com
says...
> >
> >
> >"Alan Street" <alan@nonono_irsi.com> wrote in message
> >news:vmjqjh9nf32668@news.supernews.com...
> >> In article <GOicnaKhdpJ8Q_SiXTWJig@comcast.com>, lee@willcoxwebs.com
> >says...
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Firstly, please don't top post.
> >> >>
> >> >> Secondly, not all children in this world are brash young thugs that
> >would
> >> >> assault someone with a social problem.
> >> >> Admittedly we do have a 'strain' of 14 - 15 y/o 'louts' growing up
in
> >> >> Britain that would happily knife a 60 y/o pensioner as soon as
someone
> >> >> "suggests" that they might be a paedophile.
> >> >>
> >> >> But maybe that's just the American attitude to solving social
problems
> >> >that
> >> >> is spreading across the globe?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >Sorry 'bout the top post. The company I work for
> >> >mandates top posting, and I sometimes forget where I am writing to.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Mandates top posting??? For newsgroups?
> >>
> >>
> >Yes, we have our own newsgroup on our lan at work and that's
> >the way they run it there. They want email and news to look the same
> >and one of the gods that be made the decision to toppost on all.
> >
> >
>
> Interesting. Dumb, but interesting.
>
Yep. I agree with the "dumb" part.
I suspect that upper managment does not know how to scoll
to the bottom of the screen on a post or email..
Or maybe it's the blond secretary's
It doesn't even rate an interesting, it's just dumb.

Chris Guynn left this mess on Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:30:21 GMT for The Way to clean
up:
>
>Could it be a new PADI specialty?

In the interests of not inflaming an already touchy subject, I'm not saying what
I'm thinking.

Tao te Carl

"It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003

Maybe he was following the DIR principles.

Does not surprise me it is a PADI Instructor.

Irrespective of my opinions,

A good lawyer would argue that he was just following PADI guidelines
for the basic OW training. His hands might have slipped through. Maybe
it was a slimy pool. YMCA does not have a lot of resources.

At most, probation and counseling.




On 17 Sep 2003 19:15:24 -0500, "Scuba News"
<always@on-topic.scubanews> wrote:

>
>CDNN News: PADI scuba instructor arrested, charged with molesting boys
>during scuba diving class
>
>http://www.cdnn.info/industry/i030916/i030916.html

"Robert" <robert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Maybe he was following the DIR principles.
>
> Does not surprise me it is a PADI Instructor.
>
> Irrespective of my opinions,
>
> A good lawyer would argue that he was just following PADI guidelines
> for the basic OW training. His hands might have slipped through. Maybe
> it was a slimy pool. YMCA does not have a lot of resources.

A few questions...
1.) Are you saying a "good lawyer" would argue that his hands slipped into 2
separate boys swim trunks on accident?
2.) What would a slimy pool have to do with the boys swim trunks and
genitalia?
3.) What does the YMCA have to do with this?

>
> At most, probation and counseling.

At the very least, he's already lost his job as well as his ability to work
with the Boy Scouts. Unfortunately this will probably be true even if he
was not guilty of the accusations.
<snip>

C Guynn

"chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada> wrote in message news:<FQkab.1621$TM4.601@pd7tw2no>...
> "de Valois" <devalois@nailedandused.com> wrote in message
> news:bkc9am0631@drn.newsguy.com...
> > Sorry Lee, I didn't see that Greg had posted this. Greg, my comments still
> > stand. No 14 year old Scout would have the nerve to stand up to an
> instructor at
> > a Scout camp.

> The boys were taking dive training. If one of my instructors had have stuck
> his hand into my pants while in the dive tank, I'm pretty sure I'd have
> surfaced too quickly. Something doesn't add up here, Scout camp or no Scout
> camp.

You're right. Actually a few things don't add up here:

1 - The perp is older than usual for a first offense.
2 - He's been working at the same camp for several years without any
complaints.
3 - On the day that he decides to try this stunt for the first time,
not only does he attempt it with one child... but he tries with
several at the same time.
No. Something doesn't add up here at all and I'm not saying that
because it involves PADI.

Salty wrote:

> "chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada> wrote in message news:<FQkab.1621$TM4.601@pd7tw2no>...
>
>>"de Valois" <devalois@nailedandused.com> wrote in message
>>news:bkc9am0631@drn.newsguy.com...
>>
>>>Sorry Lee, I didn't see that Greg had posted this. Greg, my comments still
>>>stand. No 14 year old Scout would have the nerve to stand up to an
>>
>> instructor at
>>
>>>a Scout camp.
>
>
>>The boys were taking dive training. If one of my instructors had have stuck
>>his hand into my pants while in the dive tank, I'm pretty sure I'd have
>>surfaced too quickly. Something doesn't add up here, Scout camp or no Scout
>>camp.
>
>
> You're right. Actually a few things don't add up here:
>
> 1 - The perp is older than usual for a first offense.
> 2 - He's been working at the same camp for several years without any
> complaints.
> 3 - On the day that he decides to try this stunt for the first time,
> not only does he attempt it with one child... but he tries with
> several at the same time.


I saw nothing in the article that implied it was his first attempt.
It may have only been the first time he was ratted out.


> No. Something doesn't add up here at all and I'm not saying that
> because it involves PADI.


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