Force Fins forces Rodale's Scuba Diving to pay for scuba equipment ratings scam

"Schmoe" wrote in
> The only truly objective magazine online or off that I'm aware of is
> Undercurrent. It's a Not-for profit org.>

Gack!

Undercurrent has long ago been exposed for a profit making and advertisement
selling operation that it is.

Check out rec.scuba archives.

UC actively solicited ads for their internet version, placing the money for
those ads in "Ben's" left pocket. Of course, when the holy virgin printed
version was mailed out, stamps were never bought with THAT money. "Ben" used
the money from his OTHER left pocket.

No, UC is for sale as well. Ben finaly gurgled out a Clintonesque waffle a
number of monrths after the fact.

Sorry I had to repeat myself, there's always somebody new who believes Ben's
fairy tales.

There is no truth for sale. The truth is free.

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:20:41 GMT, "belt"
<lightertack@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:

>Nice article..I wondered.
>interesting..at first, I thought the CDDN site was an "angry-hippy" site
>after following several handy links. But once I made it to the home
>page--which is at the end of the bar---I saw that they have many informative
>articles.
>
>But, am I the only one who noticed that all of their sponsors are also
>listed in the "Editors Choice"?
>

But more than half of the Editor's Choice listings are obviously not
sponsors unless such angry hippie lunatic fringe elements as NOAA,
Woods Hole and Scripps are paying Cyber Diver's bills.

On 13 Nov 2003 10:37:07 -0800, de Valois <devalois@nailedandused.com>
wrote:

>Dan Volker left this mess on Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:06:47 -0500 for The Way to
>clean up:
>>
>>
>>"Dive News" <always@on.topic.always> wrote in message
>>news:3fb390ee$0$27693$45beb828@newscene.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> Force Fins forces Rodale's Scuba Diving to pay for scuba equipment ratings
>>> scam
>>>
>>> http://www.cdnn.info/industry/i031113/i031113.html
>>
>>I have always considered Rodales to be among the most prostituted and
>>deceitful of all scuba magazines, in gear discussions.
>>
>
>Question: what is the better alternative then?
>
>I agree, and Rodale's obviously does, as well, that ad dollars drive their
>reviews, however, they are also about the only game in town and so if you want
>factual information, as sparse as it is, you have to go to Rodale's and read
>between the lines.
>

Rodale's is just one of many games in town but the only one I know of
that exclusively features nasty old industry whores.

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:44:10 -0500, "Dan Volker"
<dvolker@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>

>Make no mistake, CDNN is just as prostituted and controlled by special
>interests as is the typical print rag in diving. If anything, they have more
>agenda's than other magazines, including lunatic fringe groups, which few on
>this NG could stomach.
>

Still pissed off because CDNN blew the whistle on your beloved Peter
Hughes and his DeathTrap Dancers? If you really believe CDNN is
controlled by special interests and lunatic fringe groups, name them.

In article <bf939afa6e2baaf4f7fe1cc96b7720b7@news.teranews.co m>,
Slow Death <123@bioforus.uv> wrote:

<SNIP> If you really believe CDNN is
> controlled by special interests and lunatic fringe groups, name them.

AH -- how about Psycho Killers and Slow Death?? no wait - iguess they
do sound mainstream

--
--Chandler --
May Hog be your boatman when you reach the River Styx

Dan would have everyone in fins as long as his legs. I'm not dishing free
diving fins. They are very elegant. Its just I prefer a fin 1/2 the size of
other fins, 1/4 of the size of Dan's fins that does the job as well or
better. And, I've been in some fast currents and kept up with some the best
of them without trying. Oh, I'm not out of shape. I swim a minimum of 5
miles a week and so does Bob Evans.

Susanne Chess
Force Fin

"Schmoe" <jschmoeleg@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:uSQsb.12348$p%6.3409650@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et...
> "Dan Volker" <dvolker@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:rDOsb.109$oo.107@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> >
> <snip>
>
> > Make no mistake, CDNN is just as prostituted and controlled by special
> > interests as is the typical print rag in diving. If anything, they have
> more
> > agenda's than other magazines, including lunatic fringe groups, which
few
> on
> > this NG could stomach.
> >
>
> The only truly objective magazine online or off that I'm aware of is
> Undercurrent. It's a Not-for profit org.
>
> Dan, you seem to know a lot about fins so I'll ask you directly, if you
> don't mind. I want to replace my fins. Solid swimmer and in good shape,
only
> dive 4-5 days per year. I'd like a powerful fin that works well on drift
> dives and my current fins are hard as rocks and old. Suggestions and
> recommendations are appreciated.
>
> Cheers!
>
>

"Slow Death" <123@bioforus.uv> wrote in message
news:bf939afa6e2baaf4f7fe1cc96b7720b7@news.teranew s.com...
> On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:44:10 -0500, "Dan Volker"
> <dvolker@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >Make no mistake, CDNN is just as prostituted and controlled by special
> >interests as is the typical print rag in diving. If anything, they have
more
> >agenda's than other magazines, including lunatic fringe groups, which few
on
> >this NG could stomach.
> >
>
> Still pissed off because CDNN blew the whistle on your beloved Peter
> Hughes and his DeathTrap Dancers? If you really believe CDNN is
> controlled by special interests and lunatic fringe groups, name them.

What, are you high? I could care less about Peter Hughes and his
liveaboards.

Every time I have tried to find out anything about CDNN and how it gathers
its "news" stories, I have found agendas running first, and PR stories
masquerading as news, following.
Give it a rest.
Dan V

In article <WqYsb.2064$oo.999@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
"Dan Volker" <dvolker@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Every time I have tried to find out anything about CDNN and how it gathers
> its "news" stories, I have found agendas running first, and PR stories
> masquerading as news, following.

Yup. Spam.






-Sven

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:53:31 -0500, "Dan Volker"
<dvolker@bellsouth.net> wrote:


>
>Every time I have tried to find out anything about CDNN and how it gathers
>its "news" stories, I have found agendas running first, and PR stories
>masquerading as news, following.
>Give it a rest.
>Dan V
>

No surprise you could not name any special interests nor lunatic
fringe groups that control CDNN. There aren't any. It's just part of
your ongoing con-game to smear people who got it done while you, Holt,
Slate, Torode and Abernethy self-destructed and lost your credibility
with a dirty tricks campaign that failed to persuade the public we
should all line up and condone harassing marine wildlife by commercial
dive operators who even attempted to equate a ban on shark feeding
with 9/11. Talk about ground zero stupidity! CDNN whipped your ass
and hung you out to dry. YOU LOST! Shark feeding is illegal in the
state of Florida. Get over it bitch and stop your pathetic sniveling,
which only serves to persuade those is the middle like me that CDNN,
the Human Society, National Geographic, Reef Relief and a dozen other
"lunatic fringe groups" are absolutely right.

Dan Bracuk, CTHD <NOTbracuk@pathcom.com> wrote:
>"Nigel Hewitt" <nigelh@REMOVETHISnigelhewitt.net> pounded away at his
>keyboard resulting in:
>:If he took the extra twenty seconds to post to each group
>:seperately he might be a lot more welcome. The big cross-post
>:is trademarked spammer and the groups have a very different
>:ethos.
>
>So you dislike him for being efficient?

No kidding. Crossposting to relevent groups rather than posting
individually is the way IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE! Better for both
the newsservers and the clients. You only see it once then.

--
Jason O'Rourke www.jor.com