Drysuit advice

If you don't like the cold then I would not recommend a Neoprene suit,
unless your talking about crushed neoprene which will allow you to adjust
the amount of thermal undergarments. Now a neoprene suit would be cheaper to
buy but in the long run it's going to cost you more. As you are aware of
Neoprene suits lose their insulating properties over time so you'll need to
replace the dry suit sooner than other suits. Another bad thing is neoprene
suits are hard to don on.

I have the DUI CX450 now I love the suit, it is easy to self don and taking
it off is a breeze. You can find drysuits at pretty good prices off the
internet, I bought my suit off of Ebay for $1000.00 and it was only used for
a couple of dives. The suit I got look brand new I couldn't tell the
difference but if I bought the suit from a LDS it would of costed me a
1000.00 more.

Another bad thing about neoprene suits is they are bulky and unless you have
a build of average size the suit isn't going to fit that well unless you get
a custom fit suit. Before you buy a suit I suggest that you try out a couple
of differnt suits and see how you like it. Make sure you tested it in water,
because some suits have more drag then others, also you will be able to
determine how much more weight you'll need to add to your dive.


"Marcin Dobrucki" <Marcin.Dobrucki@FAKE.nokia.com> wrote in message
news:Eb3Wb.9031$g4.184820@news2.nokia.com...
> Jammer Six wrote:
> > In article <_i1Wb.9002$g4.183779@news2.nokia.com>, Marcin Dobrucki
> > <Marcin.Dobrucki@FAKE.nokia.com> wrote:
> >
> > € Any comments, opinions, or otherwise advice?
> >
> > DUI TLS 350.
> >
> > Neoprene suits are for strokes.
>
> Yes, very nice, but its more than twice the price, and that's
> unaffordable. So, why are neoprene suits for strokes? Excuse me if I
> would like to know the basis of that opinion.
>
> /Marcin
>

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 07:59:40 +0000, Marcin Dobrucki wrote:

> I am in Finland -- making suit purchase from USA, Canada, or anywhere

Well in that case, have a look at Otter. I've been diving an Otter Skin
for 7 years. It's the best piece of dive kit I've bought. It's hardwearing
and I'm always dry when I get out of the water.

Their website is www.drysuits.co.uk

Jason

--
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While I recently bought a DUI I used a Bare Commercial Trilam for several
years in very demanding conditions in the Northeast and around the world
diving wrecks mostly. The suit was just fine and took a lot of abuse.
Drysuit manufactures have come a long way in the last few years and many
provide a good product. Getting the proper fit is most important in my
opinion, It is not a one size fits most sort of thing. I prefer trilam
suits. the CF suits are very durable but heavy, the neoprene is a wast of
time. Just my opinion.
"Polar Bear" <seriani_designs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8TzWb.30699$QX4.3842@clgrps13...
> Currently I am diving with the Bare Nex-Gen Drysuit...it's a shell. I wear
> the Bare CT-200 Undergarments.
>
http://www.bare-wetsuits.com/baresho...21010&pf_id=61
> 310
>
> In one of your responses you mentioned that you need to worry about sizes.
> I have a XXL for the undergarments and an XL for the shell....I'm what
you
> would say "not a small guy" I'm 6'2 and 240lbs, and have considerable room
> within the suit for flexibility and maneuverability....it's a good fit.
It's
> what you should be looking for along with appropriate thermal protection
for
> the enviroment which you are going to be diving within.
>
> As an alternate you may want to check out the self donning Mobbys Dry
suits.
> http://www.mobbys.com/prodaormorshell.html
>
> Just adding my newbie/stroke two-bits to the conversation.
>
> Brett
> www.diveidc.com
> Vancouver, BC
>
>

Jammer Six <jammer@invalid.oz.net> nattered:

>DUI TLS 350.
>
>Neoprene suits are for strokes.

You're the kind of @sshole that gives GUI a bad name.

Did you just learn the word "stroke"? I saw two posts
where you didn't offer any reasoned advice, just the
cr@p attitude. Welcome to my killfilter, kid.

Don't forget, MOST of the folks out here have ZERO
interest in your tech caving rigs and requirements.

Harry,

You have to excuse this idiot. He was dropped on his head as a child.
Often on purpose.

Killfiles should be pre-loaded with his address.


Ian Cox

"Harry Chestwig" <allwet@scubanude.org> wrote in message
news:91e140lb2807uneo28aun84h544o94uncf@4ax.com...
> Jammer Six <jammer@invalid.oz.net> nattered:
>
> >DUI TLS 350.
> >
> >Neoprene suits are for strokes.
>
> You're the kind of @sshole that gives GUI a bad name.
>
> Did you just learn the word "stroke"? I saw two posts
> where you didn't offer any reasoned advice, just the
> cr@p attitude. Welcome to my killfilter, kid.
>
> Don't forget, MOST of the folks out here have ZERO
> interest in your tech caving rigs and requirements.
>
>

Harry,

Some people condemn the messenger because they don't like the message
or the method of delivery. While I'm not interested in calling anyone
a stroke, I have owned a neoprene drysuit and have been around several
others, and I know their drawbacks, especially foam neoprene suits. I
now own a DUI TLS 350, and there is simply no comparison.

-bob

On 28 Feb 2004 09:56:32 -0600, Harry Chestwig <allwet@scubanude.org>
wrote:

>Jammer Six <jammer@invalid.oz.net> nattered:
>
>>DUI TLS 350.
>>
>>Neoprene suits are for strokes.
>
>You're the kind of @sshole that gives GUI a bad name.
>
>Did you just learn the word "stroke"? I saw two posts
>where you didn't offer any reasoned advice, just the
>cr@p attitude. Welcome to my killfilter, kid.
>
>Don't forget, MOST of the folks out here have ZERO
>interest in your tech caving rigs and requirements.
>

On 28 Feb 2004 09:56:32 -0600, Harry Chestwig <allwet@scubanude.org>
wrote:

>Jammer Six <jammer@invalid.oz.net> nattered:
>
>>DUI TLS 350.
>>
>>Neoprene suits are for strokes.
>
>You're the kind of @sshole that gives GUI a bad name.
>
>Did you just learn the word "stroke"? I saw two posts
>where you didn't offer any reasoned advice, just the
>cr@p attitude. Welcome to my killfilter, kid.
>
>Don't forget, MOST of the folks out here have ZERO
>interest in your tech caving rigs and requirements.
>

Okay.

I've never been in a (real) cave
I've never been below 140ft
I've never used helium

Neoprene suits are for people who like to dive wetsuits.
They are nothing but a compromise for drysuits, and carry many of the
disadvantages of wetsuits with them, and offer no advantages over
shell.

They are heavy when wet.
They take forever to dry.
They are too buoyant.
Their buoyancy changes with depth.
They are more difficult to repair than a shell suit.

What works 2-miles back in a cave works at 80ft, provided the guy at
80ft does the same thing as the guy 2 miles back in the cave... only
takes what he needs.



--- Rich
http://richlockyer.tripod.com/

In article <9be540dede3lh0tmvo2uqplh89in9hci2f@4ax.com>, Rich Lockyer
<rlockyer@linkline.DONTSPAMME.com> wrote:

€ Neoprene suits are for people who like to dive wetsuits.
€ They are nothing but a compromise for drysuits, and carry many of the
€ disadvantages of wetsuits with them, and offer no advantages over
€ shell.
€
€ They are heavy when wet.
€ They take forever to dry.
€ They are too buoyant.
€ Their buoyancy changes with depth.
€ They are more difficult to repair than a shell suit.

Yup, that's what we said.

Neoprene drysuits are for strokes.

--
"We're going to rush the hijackers."
-Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001

In article <9be540dede3lh0tmvo2uqplh89in9hci2f@4ax.com>,
rlockyer@linkline.DONTSPAMME.com says...

> Neoprene suits are for people who like to dive wetsuits.
> They are nothing but a compromise for drysuits, and carry many of the
> disadvantages of wetsuits with them, and offer no advantages over
> shell.

A lot of cave divers do only 60-120 minute swimming dives in 68-70
degree water with a max depth of 110 ft and a wicked flow. A neoprene
dry suit is a little slicker than a shell for these dives (if there's
anyone left at EE who knows what he's doing, he/she will tell you this).
Several of the GUE instructors used them while teaching. Some good
friends of mine took Cave 1 with JJ (when he was still teaching) and he
used a neoprene drysuit. 2 other GUE cave instructors I know used
neoprene suits until they were stolen or worn out. They hold up better
to the everyday diving those instructors do. My Intro instructor (who
later became one of the initial GUE instructors) used a neoprene
drysuit. I imagine that somewhere along the line they were given an
incentive to go to DUI shells suits, especially after gear sales started
to become a major part of the GUE experience.

After using a RofoSub neoprene semi dry for years, I chose the cave cut
TLS350 because it is easier to put on and take off, works well for a
variety of environments (including deep), dries quickly, is light, etc.
I was also able to get it fit by someone who knows what he's doing.
Because of the excellent fit, the TLS is almost as fast as the semi dry,
but the semi dry was much faster than my old custom fit Whites shell
suit.

The point I'm making is that there are applications for which a neoprene
suit works well, and that the internet DIR mantra does not always
reflect the realities of what is really being done on a day to day basis
by respected and very experienced divers doing the kind of dives that
most of us really do. You won't read about that on the internet, but if
you go out and dive among them, you will see it.

Al Wells wrote:

> In article <9be540dede3lh0tmvo2uqplh89in9hci2f@4ax.com>,
> rlockyer@linkline.DONTSPAMME.com says...
>
>
>>Neoprene suits are for people who like to dive wetsuits.
>>They are nothing but a compromise for drysuits, and carry many of the
>>disadvantages of wetsuits with them, and offer no advantages over
>>shell.
>
>
> A lot of cave divers do only 60-120 minute swimming dives in 68-70
> degree water with a max depth of 110 ft and a wicked flow. A neoprene
> dry suit is a little slicker than a shell for these dives (if there's
> anyone left at EE who knows what he's doing, he/she will tell you this).
> Several of the GUE instructors used them while teaching. Some good
> friends of mine took Cave 1 with JJ (when he was still teaching) and he
> used a neoprene drysuit. 2 other GUE cave instructors I know used
> neoprene suits until they were stolen or worn out. They hold up better
> to the everyday diving those instructors do. My Intro instructor (who
> later became one of the initial GUE instructors) used a neoprene
> drysuit. I imagine that somewhere along the line they were given an
> incentive to go to DUI shells suits, especially after gear sales started
> to become a major part of the GUE experience.

NO!!!! The gue 'gods' used NEOPRENE dry suits? Most be strokes. Right
jammie?
Shells do have their advantages, but it you live in the NY/NJ/LI wreck
diving area, nobody dives shells. Even the might TLS 350 won't last very
long. Even see one of those after it's been ripped underwater? Try
climbing the boat ladder with a suit filled with water.

The gear incentive from various manufacturers that it offered to dive
shop instructors and instructors in general makes the choice easy.