Beginner recommendation: Dive Rite NiTek Duo or Suunto Vytec/Vyper?

"Martin Törnsten" <omartint@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Buying my first dive computer (I only have basic PADI OWD) I want to get a
good
> computer who I can use for several years of diving, and also upload logs
to my
> desktop (for electronic logs of all dives) with an USB cable. My local
dive shop
> here in Sweden (Gothenburg) has computers from both Dive Rite and Suunto.
Do
> they make good quality computers or would you recommend against them?
>
> I have been thinking about these models, which would you recommend of
them?
>
> Dive Rite NiTek Duo
> Suunto Vytec
> Suunto Vyper
>
> http://www.diverite.com/products/nitek/nitek_duo.htm
> http://www.suunto.com/v2/worlds/diving.html
>
> Best regards from a total beginner,
>
> martin törnsten

Get the Suunto.

"Scott" <scottk@localaxes.com> wrote in message
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>
> > Dive Rite NiTek Duo
> > Suunto Vytec
> > Suunto Vyper
>
> Get the Suunto.

LOL! Which one?! I assume you mean the Vytec - it does everything the Vyper
does but with the added advantage of supporting air integration and gas
switching...

On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 15:48:13 -0000, "Bardo" <me@privacy.net> wrote:

>
>"Scott" <scottk@localaxes.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> > Dive Rite NiTek Duo
>> > Suunto Vytec
>> > Suunto Vyper
>>
>> Get the Suunto.
>
>LOL! Which one?! I assume you mean the Vytec - it does everything the Vyper
>does but with the added advantage of supporting air integration and gas
>switching...
>

The Vyper handles anything a BEGINNER will need, including nitrox.

If he gets serious and wants to get into trimix and staged
decompression, he can switch it to gauge mode and dive his own tables.
If he's incapable of that, then he should not be doing staged
decompression dives.

A dive computer that allows changing the mixture during the dive can
be dangerous.... if you set the wrong mix, if you switch to the wrong
mix, or the computer switches accidentally, you're screwed.

Vytec adds the wireless transmitter, which adds another failure point
and snag hazard to the reg. If the battery in the Vytec or
transmitter fails, you don't have pressure information and the dive is
over unless you have a separate SPG. If you have an SPG, then you
don't need the transmitter.

If my Vyper flooded, I'd replace it with another Vyper.



--- Rich
http://richlockyer.tripod.com/

"Rich Lockyer" <rlockyer@linkline.DONTSPAMME.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 15:48:13 -0000, "Bardo" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Scott" <scottk@localaxes.com> wrote in message
> >news:106apsuiui22mec@corp.supernews.com...
> >>
> >> > Dive Rite NiTek Duo
> >> > Suunto Vytec
> >> > Suunto Vyper
> >>
> >> Get the Suunto.
> >
> >LOL! Which one?! I assume you mean the Vytec - it does everything the Vyper
> >does but with the added advantage of supporting air integration and gas
> >switching...
> >
>
> The Vyper handles anything a BEGINNER will need, including nitrox.
>
> If he gets serious and wants to get into trimix and staged
> decompression, he can switch it to gauge mode and dive his own tables.
> If he's incapable of that, then he should not be doing staged
> decompression dives.
>
> A dive computer that allows changing the mixture during the dive can
> be dangerous.... if you set the wrong mix, if you switch to the wrong
> mix, or the computer switches accidentally, you're screwed.
>
> Vytec adds the wireless transmitter, which adds another failure point
> and snag hazard to the reg. If the battery in the Vytec or
> transmitter fails, you don't have pressure information and the dive is
> over unless you have a separate SPG. If you have an SPG, then you
> don't need the transmitter.
>
> If my Vyper flooded, I'd replace it with another Vyper.

Since I'm in the market for a new computer and am pondering these issues I have questions.

The snag hazard, is this real based on experience or prejudice?

If I had the Vytec I would take an SPG in my dive bag but may not install it. In the
unlikely event the pressure reading failed I terminate the dive and if I cannot get the
thing to work I just add the SPG (when back on the boat) on the other HP port and continue
diving.

Adam

"Adam Helberg" <sendspamhere@yahoo.com> wrote in news:aQm9c.4013
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> Why not?

If he wants to do deco diving, he should get deco training.


--
David Scarlett

dscarlett@_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
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David Scarlett <look@my.signature> wrote:
>"Adam Helberg" <sendspamhere@yahoo.com> wrote in news:aQm9c.4013
>> Why not?
>
>If he wants to do deco diving, he should get deco training.

I know the Brits do deco from the get-go, is that not true for Australia?
No BSAC?

--
Jason O'Rourke www.jor.com

Rich Lockyer <rlockyer@linkline.DONTSPAMME.com> wrote:
>(Jason O'Rourke) wrote:
>
>>that it doesn't consider 20ft a safety stop - wants you pretty close
>>to 13.
>
>Really? Mine is perfectly happy at 19. 20 and it goes out of "safety
>stop" mode and quits counting, but if I only momentarily bounce from
>19 to 21 and back, it'll continue where it left off (it won't go from
>2 back to 3).

Poor language on my part. If you're on the second dive at 80ft and it
hits 0, you know it's being itself and ignore it a bit. Then you have
that mandatory 10ft stop. At 20, it isn't counting down any time, but
it would be good to take the time there first anyhow.
--
Jason O'Rourke www.jor.com

"Jason O'Rourke" <jor@soda.csua.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
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> Rich Lockyer <rlockyer@linkline.DONTSPAMME.com> wrote:
> >(Jason O'Rourke) wrote:
> >
> >>that it doesn't consider 20ft a safety stop - wants you pretty close
> >>to 13.
> >
> >Really? Mine is perfectly happy at 19. 20 and it goes out of "safety
> >stop" mode and quits counting, but if I only momentarily bounce from
> >19 to 21 and back, it'll continue where it left off (it won't go from
> >2 back to 3).
>
> Poor language on my part. If you're on the second dive at 80ft and it
> hits 0, you know it's being itself and ignore it a bit. Then you have
> that mandatory 10ft stop. At 20, it isn't counting down any time, but
> it would be good to take the time there first anyhow.
> --
> Jason O'Rourke www.jor.com

If you are in deco mode and have a 10ft deco stop, are you supposed to do the deco stop at
10 feet and then descend to 15 ft for the safety stop?

On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 02:40:33 +0000 (UTC), jor@soda.csua.berkeley.edu
(Jason O'Rourke) wrote:

>Poor language on my part. If you're on the second dive at 80ft and it
>hits 0, you know it's being itself and ignore it a bit. Then you have
>that mandatory 10ft stop. At 20, it isn't counting down any time, but
>it would be good to take the time there first anyhow.

Ahh... Hmm... I've never encountered that either. In all but a very
few cases, the violations have cleared by the time I hit 20ft, and
even when it didn't clear, it was still happy to count down at 15-17.
I've never had a mandatory 10 that couldn't be cleared deeper.



--- Rich
http://richlockyer.tripod.com/

jor@soda.csua.berkeley.edu (Jason O'Rourke) wrote in
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> I know the Brits do deco from the get-go, is that not true for
> Australia? No BSAC?

Definately not over here. In fact, I though BSAC barely existed outside
of the UK...

Anyway, if he's being trained to do deco diving right from the start
(which isn't a bad idea), then that's a different matter...


--
David Scarlett

dscarlett@_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
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