non certified divers - curisyty

"libero" <a@a.bi> wrote in message
news:Rd9rc.64566$Qc.2595812@twister1.libero.it...

> i read all tread of this discussion and my idea is that the important
thing
> is not the piece of plastic but the training.
> but now i've another question quite related , here in italy there is not
any
> restrictive law about diving certification, i mean that everybody can dive
> without be outlaw-
> but now in a place they made strange local regulation that do not allow
> divers to go over depth shown on the plastic ( business sometimes make
> people crazy) .
> how is the situation in your part of world??

First, there are few, if any laws here in the U.S. either. Except for some
government owned and a few privately owned properties, anybody who wishes to
dive can do so legally, with or without a certification card. The rules
here, are primarily imposed and enforced by the dive shops and dive charters
rather than by law. It can be difficult to buy a tank, regulator or dive
transportation from a business without a card. It is still possible to buy
equipment from private individuals, but not easy to get it serviced. Nobody
stops you from diving from shore (most shores) or from diving from a
privately owned boat.

Regarding diving to specific depths, there are those dive operators that try
to impose limits on who may do certain dives. It's not very effective in
the 0 to 130 foot range. For a long time, even the most basic of
certifications covered this range. More recently, shallower recommendations
have come with most cards, but they are still only recommendations.
Sometimes imposed by the industry, sometimes not. Most often, the
opportunity to get money for a dive over rules any such limits. The same is
not as true of deeper dives, what we normally call technical. The technical
boats are much more likely to restrict participation to those with
demonstrated abilities. In the best of worlds, it takes a true
demonstration of skill to get on the boats. In some cases, certain
certifications are seen as sufficient.

Lee

"libero" <a@a.bi> wrote in message
news:Rd9rc.64566$Qc.2595812@twister1.libero.it...

> i read all tread of this discussion and my idea is that the important
thing
> is not the piece of plastic but the training.
> but now i've another question quite related , here in italy there is not
any
> restrictive law about diving certification, i mean that everybody can dive
> without be outlaw-
> but now in a place they made strange local regulation that do not allow
> divers to go over depth shown on the plastic ( business sometimes make
> people crazy) .
> how is the situation in your part of world??

First, there are few, if any laws here in the U.S. either. Except for some
government owned and a few privately owned properties, anybody who wishes to
dive can do so legally, with or without a certification card. The rules
here, are primarily imposed and enforced by the dive shops and dive charters
rather than by law. It can be difficult to buy a tank, regulator or dive
transportation from a business without a card. It is still possible to buy
equipment from private individuals, but not easy to get it serviced. Nobody
stops you from diving from shore (most shores) or from diving from a
privately owned boat.

Regarding diving to specific depths, there are those dive operators that try
to impose limits on who may do certain dives. It's not very effective in
the 0 to 130 foot range. For a long time, even the most basic of
certifications covered this range. More recently, shallower recommendations
have come with most cards, but they are still only recommendations.
Sometimes imposed by the industry, sometimes not. Most often, the
opportunity to get money for a dive over rules any such limits. The same is
not as true of deeper dives, what we normally call technical. The technical
boats are much more likely to restrict participation to those with
demonstrated abilities. In the best of worlds, it takes a true
demonstration of skill to get on the boats. In some cases, certain
certifications are seen as sufficient.

Lee

"libero" <a@a.bi> wrote in message
news:Rd9rc.64566$Qc.2595812@twister1.libero.it...

> i read all tread of this discussion and my idea is that the important
thing
> is not the piece of plastic but the training.
> but now i've another question quite related , here in italy there is not
any
> restrictive law about diving certification, i mean that everybody can dive
> without be outlaw-
> but now in a place they made strange local regulation that do not allow
> divers to go over depth shown on the plastic ( business sometimes make
> people crazy) .
> how is the situation in your part of world??

First, there are few, if any laws here in the U.S. either. Except for some
government owned and a few privately owned properties, anybody who wishes to
dive can do so legally, with or without a certification card. The rules
here, are primarily imposed and enforced by the dive shops and dive charters
rather than by law. It can be difficult to buy a tank, regulator or dive
transportation from a business without a card. It is still possible to buy
equipment from private individuals, but not easy to get it serviced. Nobody
stops you from diving from shore (most shores) or from diving from a
privately owned boat.

Regarding diving to specific depths, there are those dive operators that try
to impose limits on who may do certain dives. It's not very effective in
the 0 to 130 foot range. For a long time, even the most basic of
certifications covered this range. More recently, shallower recommendations
have come with most cards, but they are still only recommendations.
Sometimes imposed by the industry, sometimes not. Most often, the
opportunity to get money for a dive over rules any such limits. The same is
not as true of deeper dives, what we normally call technical. The technical
boats are much more likely to restrict participation to those with
demonstrated abilities. In the best of worlds, it takes a true
demonstration of skill to get on the boats. In some cases, certain
certifications are seen as sufficient.

Lee

"libero" <a@a.bi> wrote in message
news:Rd9rc.64566$Qc.2595812@twister1.libero.it...

> i read all tread of this discussion and my idea is that the important
thing
> is not the piece of plastic but the training.
> but now i've another question quite related , here in italy there is not
any
> restrictive law about diving certification, i mean that everybody can dive
> without be outlaw-
> but now in a place they made strange local regulation that do not allow
> divers to go over depth shown on the plastic ( business sometimes make
> people crazy) .
> how is the situation in your part of world??

First, there are few, if any laws here in the U.S. either. Except for some
government owned and a few privately owned properties, anybody who wishes to
dive can do so legally, with or without a certification card. The rules
here, are primarily imposed and enforced by the dive shops and dive charters
rather than by law. It can be difficult to buy a tank, regulator or dive
transportation from a business without a card. It is still possible to buy
equipment from private individuals, but not easy to get it serviced. Nobody
stops you from diving from shore (most shores) or from diving from a
privately owned boat.

Regarding diving to specific depths, there are those dive operators that try
to impose limits on who may do certain dives. It's not very effective in
the 0 to 130 foot range. For a long time, even the most basic of
certifications covered this range. More recently, shallower recommendations
have come with most cards, but they are still only recommendations.
Sometimes imposed by the industry, sometimes not. Most often, the
opportunity to get money for a dive over rules any such limits. The same is
not as true of deeper dives, what we normally call technical. The technical
boats are much more likely to restrict participation to those with
demonstrated abilities. In the best of worlds, it takes a true
demonstration of skill to get on the boats. In some cases, certain
certifications are seen as sufficient.

Lee

"libero" <a@a.bi> wrote in message
news:Rd9rc.64566$Qc.2595812@twister1.libero.it...

> i read all tread of this discussion and my idea is that the important
thing
> is not the piece of plastic but the training.
> but now i've another question quite related , here in italy there is not
any
> restrictive law about diving certification, i mean that everybody can dive
> without be outlaw-
> but now in a place they made strange local regulation that do not allow
> divers to go over depth shown on the plastic ( business sometimes make
> people crazy) .
> how is the situation in your part of world??

First, there are few, if any laws here in the U.S. either. Except for some
government owned and a few privately owned properties, anybody who wishes to
dive can do so legally, with or without a certification card. The rules
here, are primarily imposed and enforced by the dive shops and dive charters
rather than by law. It can be difficult to buy a tank, regulator or dive
transportation from a business without a card. It is still possible to buy
equipment from private individuals, but not easy to get it serviced. Nobody
stops you from diving from shore (most shores) or from diving from a
privately owned boat.

Regarding diving to specific depths, there are those dive operators that try
to impose limits on who may do certain dives. It's not very effective in
the 0 to 130 foot range. For a long time, even the most basic of
certifications covered this range. More recently, shallower recommendations
have come with most cards, but they are still only recommendations.
Sometimes imposed by the industry, sometimes not. Most often, the
opportunity to get money for a dive over rules any such limits. The same is
not as true of deeper dives, what we normally call technical. The technical
boats are much more likely to restrict participation to those with
demonstrated abilities. In the best of worlds, it takes a true
demonstration of skill to get on the boats. In some cases, certain
certifications are seen as sufficient.

Lee

"libero" <a@a.bi> wrote in message
news:Rd9rc.64566$Qc.2595812@twister1.libero.it...

> i read all tread of this discussion and my idea is that the important
thing
> is not the piece of plastic but the training.
> but now i've another question quite related , here in italy there is not
any
> restrictive law about diving certification, i mean that everybody can dive
> without be outlaw-
> but now in a place they made strange local regulation that do not allow
> divers to go over depth shown on the plastic ( business sometimes make
> people crazy) .
> how is the situation in your part of world??

First, there are few, if any laws here in the U.S. either. Except for some
government owned and a few privately owned properties, anybody who wishes to
dive can do so legally, with or without a certification card. The rules
here, are primarily imposed and enforced by the dive shops and dive charters
rather than by law. It can be difficult to buy a tank, regulator or dive
transportation from a business without a card. It is still possible to buy
equipment from private individuals, but not easy to get it serviced. Nobody
stops you from diving from shore (most shores) or from diving from a
privately owned boat.

Regarding diving to specific depths, there are those dive operators that try
to impose limits on who may do certain dives. It's not very effective in
the 0 to 130 foot range. For a long time, even the most basic of
certifications covered this range. More recently, shallower recommendations
have come with most cards, but they are still only recommendations.
Sometimes imposed by the industry, sometimes not. Most often, the
opportunity to get money for a dive over rules any such limits. The same is
not as true of deeper dives, what we normally call technical. The technical
boats are much more likely to restrict participation to those with
demonstrated abilities. In the best of worlds, it takes a true
demonstration of skill to get on the boats. In some cases, certain
certifications are seen as sufficient.

Lee

"libero" <a@a.bi> wrote in message
news:Rd9rc.64566$Qc.2595812@twister1.libero.it...

> i read all tread of this discussion and my idea is that the important
thing
> is not the piece of plastic but the training.
> but now i've another question quite related , here in italy there is not
any
> restrictive law about diving certification, i mean that everybody can dive
> without be outlaw-
> but now in a place they made strange local regulation that do not allow
> divers to go over depth shown on the plastic ( business sometimes make
> people crazy) .
> how is the situation in your part of world??

First, there are few, if any laws here in the U.S. either. Except for some
government owned and a few privately owned properties, anybody who wishes to
dive can do so legally, with or without a certification card. The rules
here, are primarily imposed and enforced by the dive shops and dive charters
rather than by law. It can be difficult to buy a tank, regulator or dive
transportation from a business without a card. It is still possible to buy
equipment from private individuals, but not easy to get it serviced. Nobody
stops you from diving from shore (most shores) or from diving from a
privately owned boat.

Regarding diving to specific depths, there are those dive operators that try
to impose limits on who may do certain dives. It's not very effective in
the 0 to 130 foot range. For a long time, even the most basic of
certifications covered this range. More recently, shallower recommendations
have come with most cards, but they are still only recommendations.
Sometimes imposed by the industry, sometimes not. Most often, the
opportunity to get money for a dive over rules any such limits. The same is
not as true of deeper dives, what we normally call technical. The technical
boats are much more likely to restrict participation to those with
demonstrated abilities. In the best of worlds, it takes a true
demonstration of skill to get on the boats. In some cases, certain
certifications are seen as sufficient.

Lee

"libero" <a@a.bi> wrote in message
news:Rd9rc.64566$Qc.2595812@twister1.libero.it...

> i read all tread of this discussion and my idea is that the important
thing
> is not the piece of plastic but the training.
> but now i've another question quite related , here in italy there is not
any
> restrictive law about diving certification, i mean that everybody can dive
> without be outlaw-
> but now in a place they made strange local regulation that do not allow
> divers to go over depth shown on the plastic ( business sometimes make
> people crazy) .
> how is the situation in your part of world??

First, there are few, if any laws here in the U.S. either. Except for some
government owned and a few privately owned properties, anybody who wishes to
dive can do so legally, with or without a certification card. The rules
here, are primarily imposed and enforced by the dive shops and dive charters
rather than by law. It can be difficult to buy a tank, regulator or dive
transportation from a business without a card. It is still possible to buy
equipment from private individuals, but not easy to get it serviced. Nobody
stops you from diving from shore (most shores) or from diving from a
privately owned boat.

Regarding diving to specific depths, there are those dive operators that try
to impose limits on who may do certain dives. It's not very effective in
the 0 to 130 foot range. For a long time, even the most basic of
certifications covered this range. More recently, shallower recommendations
have come with most cards, but they are still only recommendations.
Sometimes imposed by the industry, sometimes not. Most often, the
opportunity to get money for a dive over rules any such limits. The same is
not as true of deeper dives, what we normally call technical. The technical
boats are much more likely to restrict participation to those with
demonstrated abilities. In the best of worlds, it takes a true
demonstration of skill to get on the boats. In some cases, certain
certifications are seen as sufficient.

Lee

libero wrote:
> i read all tread of this discussion and my idea is that the important thing
> is not the piece of plastic but the training.
> but now i've another question quite related , here in italy there is not any
> restrictive law about diving certification, i mean that everybody can dive
> without be outlaw-
> but now in a place they made strange local regulation that do not allow
> divers to go over depth shown on the plastic ( business sometimes make
> people crazy) .
> how is the situation in your part of world??


U.S. law has little impact on the activities of divers. Attorneys make
most decisions as to who is responsible for whom.



--
jer email reply - I am not a 'ten' ICQ = 35253273
"All that we do is touched with ocean, yet we remain on the shore of
what we know." -- Richard Wilbur

libero wrote:
> i read all tread of this discussion and my idea is that the important thing
> is not the piece of plastic but the training.
> but now i've another question quite related , here in italy there is not any
> restrictive law about diving certification, i mean that everybody can dive
> without be outlaw-
> but now in a place they made strange local regulation that do not allow
> divers to go over depth shown on the plastic ( business sometimes make
> people crazy) .
> how is the situation in your part of world??


U.S. law has little impact on the activities of divers. Attorneys make
most decisions as to who is responsible for whom.



--
jer email reply - I am not a 'ten' ICQ = 35253273
"All that we do is touched with ocean, yet we remain on the shore of
what we know." -- Richard Wilbur