non certified divers - curisyty

DrYak wrote:

> In the US, there are no laws requiring training. However, most dive
> operations will not take you out without training and most dive shops
> will not sell or rent equipment without certification. It is either
> "professional responsibility" or fear of a law suit.
>
> I am not sure about the laws in Mexico or other dive destinations.
>
> Dr. Y.
>
> libero wrote:
>
>> i read all tread of this discussion and my idea is that the important
>> thing
>> is not the piece of plastic but the training.
>> but now i've another question quite related , here in italy there is
>> not any
>> restrictive law about diving certification, i mean that everybody can
>> dive
>> without be outlaw-
>> but now in a place they made strange local regulation that do not allow
>> divers to go over depth shown on the plastic ( business sometimes make
>> people crazy) .
>> how is the situation in your part of world??
>>

In Couzumel without the 'C' card you won't dive with any disve shop I
have encountered.

DrYak wrote:

> In the US, there are no laws requiring training. However, most dive
> operations will not take you out without training and most dive shops
> will not sell or rent equipment without certification. It is either
> "professional responsibility" or fear of a law suit.
>
> I am not sure about the laws in Mexico or other dive destinations.
>
> Dr. Y.
>
> libero wrote:
>
>> i read all tread of this discussion and my idea is that the important
>> thing
>> is not the piece of plastic but the training.
>> but now i've another question quite related , here in italy there is
>> not any
>> restrictive law about diving certification, i mean that everybody can
>> dive
>> without be outlaw-
>> but now in a place they made strange local regulation that do not allow
>> divers to go over depth shown on the plastic ( business sometimes make
>> people crazy) .
>> how is the situation in your part of world??
>>

In Couzumel without the 'C' card you won't dive with any disve shop I
have encountered.

DrYak wrote:

> In the US, there are no laws requiring training. However, most dive
> operations will not take you out without training and most dive shops
> will not sell or rent equipment without certification. It is either
> "professional responsibility" or fear of a law suit.
>
> I am not sure about the laws in Mexico or other dive destinations.
>
> Dr. Y.
>
> libero wrote:
>
>> i read all tread of this discussion and my idea is that the important
>> thing
>> is not the piece of plastic but the training.
>> but now i've another question quite related , here in italy there is
>> not any
>> restrictive law about diving certification, i mean that everybody can
>> dive
>> without be outlaw-
>> but now in a place they made strange local regulation that do not allow
>> divers to go over depth shown on the plastic ( business sometimes make
>> people crazy) .
>> how is the situation in your part of world??
>>

In Couzumel without the 'C' card you won't dive with any disve shop I
have encountered.

DrYak wrote:

> In the US, there are no laws requiring training. However, most dive
> operations will not take you out without training and most dive shops
> will not sell or rent equipment without certification. It is either
> "professional responsibility" or fear of a law suit.
>
> I am not sure about the laws in Mexico or other dive destinations.
>
> Dr. Y.
>
> libero wrote:
>
>> i read all tread of this discussion and my idea is that the important
>> thing
>> is not the piece of plastic but the training.
>> but now i've another question quite related , here in italy there is
>> not any
>> restrictive law about diving certification, i mean that everybody can
>> dive
>> without be outlaw-
>> but now in a place they made strange local regulation that do not allow
>> divers to go over depth shown on the plastic ( business sometimes make
>> people crazy) .
>> how is the situation in your part of world??
>>

In Couzumel without the 'C' card you won't dive with any disve shop I
have encountered.

DrYak wrote:

> In the US, there are no laws requiring training. However, most dive
> operations will not take you out without training and most dive shops
> will not sell or rent equipment without certification. It is either
> "professional responsibility" or fear of a law suit.
>
> I am not sure about the laws in Mexico or other dive destinations.
>
> Dr. Y.
>
> libero wrote:
>
>> i read all tread of this discussion and my idea is that the important
>> thing
>> is not the piece of plastic but the training.
>> but now i've another question quite related , here in italy there is
>> not any
>> restrictive law about diving certification, i mean that everybody can
>> dive
>> without be outlaw-
>> but now in a place they made strange local regulation that do not allow
>> divers to go over depth shown on the plastic ( business sometimes make
>> people crazy) .
>> how is the situation in your part of world??
>>

In Couzumel without the 'C' card you won't dive with any disve shop I
have encountered.

i read all tread of this discussion and my idea is that the important thing
is not the piece of plastic but the training.
but now i've another question quite related , here in italy there is not any
restrictive law about diving certification, i mean that everybody can dive
without be outlaw-
but now in a place they made strange local regulation that do not allow
divers to go over depth shown on the plastic ( business sometimes make
people crazy) .
how is the situation in your part of world??

exactly the same.

Everyone is free to dive, where and whenever they want, unless local laws
actually tell you not to be diving "at that particular spot"

The local regulation where you can not go any deeper than your "piece of
plastic" says, seems a bit far-fetched, but think of it this way maybe:

When hopping the limits, you expose yourself to the unknown. In the
undesirable and unlikely case something DOES happen to you, that same piece
of plastic is telling your insurance company you have been diving
careless.... and therefor most likely will not pay for your medical costs.

Now, to prevent you from having to pay a lifetime for these types of costs,
while enjoying the fact you have no means of making that money, because you
have suffered DCI-II and now are a limping, drooling hump of meat, local
governments could indeed tell you just what your legal limits are, in order
to protect you from getting hurt. of course the business also doesn't feed
well on diving accidents happening..

Now, when diving at a zillion spots elsewhere in the world, it might be
local law for a different reason. It might be law to set a max on depth,
just because local diveshops get a lawsuit stuck up their asses if they do
not "control" some aspects of a dive in order to maintain safety.
Law suits, in some countries, go up to rediculous amounts of money and...
blah blah

Well... there you go.

Michel





"libero" <a@a.bi> wrote in message
news:Rd9rc.64566$Qc.2595812@twister1.libero.it...
> i read all tread of this discussion and my idea is that the important
thing
> is not the piece of plastic but the training.
> but now i've another question quite related , here in italy there is not
any
> restrictive law about diving certification, i mean that everybody can dive
> without be outlaw-
> but now in a place they made strange local regulation that do not allow
> divers to go over depth shown on the plastic ( business sometimes make
> people crazy) .
> how is the situation in your part of world??
>
>
>

"libero" <a@a.bi> wrote in message
news:Rd9rc.64566$Qc.2595812@twister1.libero.it...

> i read all tread of this discussion and my idea is that the important
thing
> is not the piece of plastic but the training.
> but now i've another question quite related , here in italy there is not
any
> restrictive law about diving certification, i mean that everybody can dive
> without be outlaw-
> but now in a place they made strange local regulation that do not allow
> divers to go over depth shown on the plastic ( business sometimes make
> people crazy) .
> how is the situation in your part of world??

First, there are few, if any laws here in the U.S. either. Except for some
government owned and a few privately owned properties, anybody who wishes to
dive can do so legally, with or without a certification card. The rules
here, are primarily imposed and enforced by the dive shops and dive charters
rather than by law. It can be difficult to buy a tank, regulator or dive
transportation from a business without a card. It is still possible to buy
equipment from private individuals, but not easy to get it serviced. Nobody
stops you from diving from shore (most shores) or from diving from a
privately owned boat.

Regarding diving to specific depths, there are those dive operators that try
to impose limits on who may do certain dives. It's not very effective in
the 0 to 130 foot range. For a long time, even the most basic of
certifications covered this range. More recently, shallower recommendations
have come with most cards, but they are still only recommendations.
Sometimes imposed by the industry, sometimes not. Most often, the
opportunity to get money for a dive over rules any such limits. The same is
not as true of deeper dives, what we normally call technical. The technical
boats are much more likely to restrict participation to those with
demonstrated abilities. In the best of worlds, it takes a true
demonstration of skill to get on the boats. In some cases, certain
certifications are seen as sufficient.

Lee

libero wrote:
> i read all tread of this discussion and my idea is that the important thing
> is not the piece of plastic but the training.
> but now i've another question quite related , here in italy there is not any
> restrictive law about diving certification, i mean that everybody can dive
> without be outlaw-
> but now in a place they made strange local regulation that do not allow
> divers to go over depth shown on the plastic ( business sometimes make
> people crazy) .
> how is the situation in your part of world??


U.S. law has little impact on the activities of divers. Attorneys make
most decisions as to who is responsible for whom.



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In the US, there are no laws requiring training. However, most dive
operations will not take you out without training and most dive shops
will not sell or rent equipment without certification. It is either
"professional responsibility" or fear of a law suit.

I am not sure about the laws in Mexico or other dive destinations.

Dr. Y.

libero wrote:

> i read all tread of this discussion and my idea is that the important thing
> is not the piece of plastic but the training.
> but now i've another question quite related , here in italy there is not any
> restrictive law about diving certification, i mean that everybody can dive
> without be outlaw-
> but now in a place they made strange local regulation that do not allow
> divers to go over depth shown on the plastic ( business sometimes make
> people crazy) .
> how is the situation in your part of world??
>
>
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