Poseidon first stage yoke question

LOL

As a professional PC applications trainer with 20 years experience, an
active participant in the online world and online discussion forums since
1979 (back when they were called bulletin boards and were all either direct
dial-up or Compuserve SIGs, remember?), a daily USENET user for the last 10
years, and a certified diver since 1984 I don't quite think "newbie" is an
appropriate term regardless of whether you were referring to teaching,
newsgroups, or diving. But thanks for the compliment, it's always nice to
be taken for younger than the geezer I actually am.

Steve House

"Jammer Six" <jammer@invalid.oz.net> wrote in message
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> In article <412a6827$0$66674$45beb828@newscene.com>, Steve House
> <sjhouse.remove.this@to.send.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> ? But I am curious what
> ? personal reward you get out of being so bloody negative and
contemptuous?
> ? And more importantly, what does it contribute to the diving community?
Do
> ? you believe you are actually accomplishing something worthwhile by
treating
> ? others who share what I presume is your interest in diving like they
were
> ? dirt? Think maybe being welcoming and helpful might be a better service
> ? both to yourself and the diving community in general?
>
> That's nice.
>
> Be curious. It's the best state available for someone with your ability
> to learn.
>
> Go look up "learning 101".
>
> Newbies. Jesus.
>
> --
> "We're going to rush the hijackers."
> -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001

In article <412b9cb3$0$27505$45beb828@newscene.com>, Steve House
<sjhouse.remove.this@to.send.hotmail.com> wrote:

€ I don't quite think "newbie" is an appropriate term regardless of
€ whether you were referring to teaching, newsgroups, or diving.

We do.

[yawn]

Summer's over.

--
"We're going to rush the hijackers."
-Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001

Your priviledge. But I would love to know why you consider "newbie" a
negative approbation?

"Jammer Six" <jammer@invalid.oz.net> wrote in message
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> In article <412b9cb3$0$27505$45beb828@newscene.com>, Steve House
> <sjhouse.remove.this@to.send.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> ? I don't quite think "newbie" is an appropriate term regardless of
> ? whether you were referring to teaching, newsgroups, or diving.
>
> We do.
>
> [yawn]
>
> Summer's over.
>
> --
> "We're going to rush the hijackers."
> -Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001

Steve House <sjhouse.remove.this@to.send.hotmail.com> skriver:
> dial-up or Compuserve SIGs, remember?), a daily USENET user for the last 10
> years, and a certified diver since 1984 I don't quite think "newbie" is an

Any topposter on USENET will be "newbe" and his/her kbowledge of
specific knowledge area will be considers "newbe" knowlege as he/she
just have proved to be lacking common send to lern the rules of the
society before contributing. Having failed to lern to post correctly
on usenet during daily posts for ten years, makes one wounder what
have been lerned from 20 years of being a professional and the 20
years of diving. You sure show a lack of possibilites to qwuickly
understand the rules of a society.

/ Balp
--
http://anders.arnholm.nu/ Keep on Balping

One that does not follow the rules blasphemes the system and upsets the
status quo. Look smart while you drag your self up the steps of the
gallows. Take pride in dying like a man after spending your life as a
conforming chicken. Your reward (ataboy) awaits.

"Anders Arnholm" <Anders+news@Arnholm.nu> wrote in message
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> Steve House <sjhouse.remove.this@to.send.hotmail.com> skriver:
> > dial-up or Compuserve SIGs, remember?), a daily USENET user for the last
10
> > years, and a certified diver since 1984 I don't quite think "newbie" is
an
>
> Any topposter on USENET will be "newbe" and his/her kbowledge of
> specific knowledge area will be considers "newbe" knowlege as he/she
> just have proved to be lacking common send to lern the rules of the
> society before contributing. Having failed to lern to post correctly
> on usenet during daily posts for ten years, makes one wounder what
> have been lerned from 20 years of being a professional and the 20
> years of diving. You sure show a lack of possibilites to qwuickly
> understand the rules of a society.

One that does not follow the rules blasphemes society and upsets the status
quo. Look smart as you crawl up the steps of the gallows. Take pride in
dying like a man after spending your life as a conforming chicken. Your
reward awaits.

There is no such set of "rules" - some people prefer top post, others prefer
embedded. If you think top-posting is the badge of a newbie you must have a
very narrow view of Usenet. Scanning most of the newsgroups, especially
professional special interests and tech support areas, you'll find that top
posting is the most common, with groups where it is the norm outnumbering
those where embedded posts are the norm by at least 4 to 1. For example,
take a look at the groups dealing with project management and MS Project.
In many hobby groups, OTOH, embedded comments are more frequent.

Writing is usually most clear when presented as a cohesive whole. Top
posting does this, and the new material is all in one location first
presented when the message is opened with the old material still available
for reference should the reader desire. Embedded posts, OTOH, presents the
new material in bits and pieces interwoven with the old, hardly a structure
conducive to the coherent development of a logical premise. It really
depends on what is the most important part of the message - the original
post with the reply being mere commentary or the new material.

But that still begs the question - why does it matter? It seems to me that
"newbies" should be welcomed with open arms and given as much help and
understanding as one can muster rather than treated with such contempt. We
all were there once and one of the best ways for an "old timer" to repay for
all the good times he's experienced is to act as a patient and understanding
mentor for those coming up. After all, the newcomers are the ones who keep
the newsgroups and the diving industry alive and vibrant (and their
equipment purchases make it possible for the manufacturers and dive shops,
charter operators, etc to stay in business and provide products and services
that we can reasonably afford). Want to see what happens when a
recreational activity has limited numbers of new entrants for some reason?
Go price a new Cessna.

Steve


"Anders Arnholm" <Anders+news@Arnholm.nu> wrote in message
news:slrnciorsg.en.Anders+news@tika.arnholm.se...
> Steve House <sjhouse.remove.this@to.send.hotmail.com> skriver:
> > dial-up or Compuserve SIGs, remember?), a daily USENET user for the last
10
> > years, and a certified diver since 1984 I don't quite think "newbie" is
an
>
> Any topposter on USENET will be "newbe" and his/her kbowledge of
> specific knowledge area will be considers "newbe" knowlege as he/she
> just have proved to be lacking common send to lern the rules of the
> society before contributing. Having failed to lern to post correctly
> on usenet during daily posts for ten years, makes one wounder what
> have been lerned from 20 years of being a professional and the 20
> years of diving. You sure show a lack of possibilites to qwuickly
> understand the rules of a society.
>
> / Balp
> --
> http://anders.arnholm.nu/ Keep on Balping

On 25 Aug 2004 08:40:09 -0500, "Steve House"
<sjhouse.remove.this@to.send.hotmail.com> wrote:

>There is no such set of "rules" - some people prefer top post,


Fucking Newbie then.

Q.E.D.
--
Steve Barlow

"Sausages are not DIR" Lee Bell

"Steve Barlow" <steve@steve-barlow.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 25 Aug 2004 08:40:09 -0500, "Steve House"
> <sjhouse.remove.this@to.send.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >There is no such set of "rules" - some people prefer top post,
>
>
> Fucking Newbie then.
>
> Q.E.D.
> --
> Steve Barlow
>
> "Sausages are not DIR" Lee Bell

Well then, educate me. In your experience, when in an active thread with a
number of people participating in the discussion, what is the advantage of
having readers who likely have already seen the older messages required to
scroll down through what can be screen after screen of old material to find
the newest contributions? Seeing the message history *under* the new
material, in reverse order, with each message together as an integrated
whole rather than as multiple messages edited and intercut into a montage of
different contributors ideas, seems far more condusive to clear
communication. It's clearer who said what. It's still there for referral
if desired but not intruding on the new material. Is this paragraph better
for being below the message it's in reply to than above it and if so, why?

Steve

"Steve House" <sjhouse.remove.this@to.send.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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<Snip>

> Is this paragraph better
> for being below the message it's in reply to than above it and if so, why?
>
> Steve

Actually, that particular paragraph would have been better if the preceding
message had been snipped.

"Chris Guynn" <chris.guynn@sbcglobal.N.O.S.P.A.M.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Steve House" <sjhouse.remove.this@to.send.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:412cd344$0$25359$45beb828@newscene.com...
> <Snip>
>
> > Is this paragraph better
> > for being below the message it's in reply to than above it and if so,
why?
> >
> > Steve
>
> Actually, that particular paragraph would have been better if the
preceding
> message had been snipped.
>
>

Perhaps, but then other readers who came into the thread late would have to
retrieve the other messages to get the context of the reply. The
incremental cost and time spent in retrieving a full message versus message
fragments is totally trivial these days, unlike the times when some of these
rules evolved and a 2400 baud modem was considered "high speed." I was
around in those days and don't mourn their passing.

Steve