Rockboots and jet fins

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 12:36:06 +0100, "Tony Howard" <tony@samesamediving.com> wrote:

>As the Scubapro JetFins XL size is really only slightly larger than a normal
>L size,

You are seroiuusly misinformed.

The XL's are about TWICE as BIG as the large.

safe diving,

bullshark
safe diving,

bullshark

"Charlie" wrote

> > ? DIR dogma says wear jet fins with my rockboots.
> No, it doesn't.

It doesn't mention rockboots. I does say wear Jet Fins.

> Whoa, down boy. First of all, if it's contempt I conveyed, my apologies -
> I'm trying to dive DIR because I agree with many of the ideas. Already
> doing the backplate, long hose, and octo on my neck. Just looking for
> info on how to get the fins dialed.

You were doing OK until you got to this point. Unless you are planning to
dive with WKPP members, there's no particular merit to trying to be DIR.
While there is considerable merit to considering DIR concepts and whether
they are best for the diving you do, there's no point at all in adopting
things, like jet fins, if they don't suit your diving.

> Everything I've read so far seems to indicate that the JetFins are the
> most popular fin among people who dive DIR - they offer more
> maneuverability/better frog kicking & reversing, the strap system doesn't
> have as many places to catch on line/kelp, etc. If that's not true,
> alternative recommendations would be much more constructive than snide
> comments.

You got only one thing correct. They are popular among people who dive DIR.
Everything else is a matter of considerable disagreement. Jet Fins work
well in caves because they do not represent as much of a silt out risk as
most other popular fins. They aren't as risky because they don't move as
much water and, unless the laws of physics have been repealed, moving water
is what moves the diver. They are not more maneuverable, they don't frog
kick better and they don't reverse any better than a number of other
options. The strap system is a non issue since DIR divers immediately
change them out for aftermarket spring straps.

Personally, I hate Jet Fins. I tried them when they first came out, long
before most people in this group were diving. In fact, it was before some
people in this group were born. I didn't like them then and I don't like
them any better now. YMMV. Some people like them for all types of diving.
Those that do, should use them . . . provided they really like them for the
way they perform and not simply because a famous bunch of cave divers find
them best for the diving they do.

> To reiterate from my last e-mail, it's not that my size 8 rockboots don't
> fit into the XL, it's that they have a great deal of side to side movement
> in the large foot pocket. Al, you said your setup works with JetFins and
> you have size 8 rockboots: do you not have problems with lateral motion?
> What exactly do you mean by "I have the right feet"? Do I need to wait
> for the next life to have a real chance at diving DIR?

Better you should do a bit of experimenting and decide what is best for you
based on the diving you do. That's what "experience" is all about.

Lee

In article
<Pine.GSO.4.44.0410151009310.25432-100000@elaine6.Stanford.EDU>,
Charlie <cckim@Stanford.EDU> wrote:

€ Whoa, down boy.

Oh, good, you're finally here.

We've been waiting for you.

Now you can clean this group up, and keep things civil.

--
"We're going to rush the hijackers."
-Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001

In article <416fb67b.0@entanet>, tony@samesamediving.com says...
> Two other makes that come to mind are Northern Diver in the UK and Tusa,
> both make clone jetfins in original hard rubber. Northern Diver (and I
> believe others) also make these in larger sizes, such as XXL, and I've even
> seen them in colours other than black (that's obvioulsy not DIR and so you
> may be shot as a Scuba terrorist if you buy red fins).

Scubapro also made them is colors. I've seen yellow and pink Jet fins,
and know a WKPP diver who delights in wearing his yellow ones.

I think we're having a size terminology misunderstanding. Scubapro Jet
Fins run small in foot size. Someone with a size 8 foot would use Large
with normal wetsuit booties. A lot of people have feet too big for XL.
However, the blade on the XL is way bigger than the blade on all of the
other sizes. THe S, M and L are all the same blade size, but the XL is a
lot bigger.

Al Wells wrote:
> In article <416fb67b.0@entanet>, tony@samesamediving.com says...
>
>>Two other makes that come to mind are Northern Diver in the UK and Tusa,
>>both make clone jetfins in original hard rubber. Northern Diver (and I
>>believe others) also make these in larger sizes, such as XXL, and I've even
>>seen them in colours other than black (that's obvioulsy not DIR and so you
>>may be shot as a Scuba terrorist if you buy red fins).
>
>
> Scubapro also made them is colors. I've seen yellow and pink Jet fins,
> and know a WKPP diver who delights in wearing his yellow ones.
>

FWIW, Scubapro makes two styles of Jet fins. The black ones are the
hardest material. The gray, yellow, and every other color are the same
type of softer material.

--
More people died in Ted Kennedy's car than have been killed by my guns.

Al Wells wrote:
> Scubapro also made them is colors. I've seen yellow and pink Jet fins,
> and know a WKPP diver who delights in wearing his yellow ones.

Blitch. Bastard outbid me on ebay when I wasn't looking.

"Carcharhinus leucas" <bullshark@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:l630n0lmp0gj6f05vj5upuovsh1eo7lmlp@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 12:36:06 +0100, "Tony Howard"
> <tony@samesamediving.com> wrote:
>
>>As the Scubapro JetFins XL size is really only slightly larger than a
>>normal
>>L size,
>
> You are seroiuusly misinformed.
>
> The XL's are about TWICE as BIG as the large.
>
> safe diving,
>
> bullshark
> safe diving,
>
> bullshark

Then the 'large' must be bloody tiny. Maybe the US are using their condom
sizes for their fins?

I've got XL jetfins and My drysuit boots are a UK size 9 (European 43, US
size 10) and these fins only just fit the boots. If I had any larger size
boots they would not fit. I don't feel that my feet are unusually large
compared with a few fellow divers with size 11 or 12 feet.

For quite some time Scubapro has not made (to my knowledge) any fins larger
then XL, I even tried getting XXL Jetfins while in the US a couple of years
ago, whereas other brands go up to XXL or even XXXL.

In addition, the other brands are considerably cheaper, so as long as the
rubber used is as rigid as the SC fins, there should be no reason not to buy
them.

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 21:21:14 +0100, "Tony Howard"
<tony@samesamediving.com> wrote:

>Then the 'large' must be bloody tiny. Maybe the US are using their condom
>sizes for their fins?
>
>I've got XL jetfins and My drysuit boots are a UK size 9 (European 43, US
>size 10) and these fins only just fit the boots. If I had any larger size
>boots they would not fit. I don't feel that my feet are unusually large
>compared with a few fellow divers with size 11 or 12 feet.

He's talking about the fin itself. The Med and Large fins are WAY
smaller than the XL fin. The XXL is a touch larger than the XL.
The foot pockets are predictable... a size 9 wetsuit bootie fits in a
large and a size 9 dryboot needs an XL.

>For quite some time Scubapro has not made (to my knowledge) any fins larger
>then XL, I even tried getting XXL Jetfins while in the US a couple of years
>ago, whereas other brands go up to XXL or even XXXL.

SP is now making an XXL that was designed to clear up to a size 14 DUI
rockboot. It's a very tall pocket, but only a little wider than the
XL. It's not as wide as a Turtle.

The problem is, and walways has been, that SP has sized the Jetfin
pocket about one size smaller than other fins... even their own. An
XL jetfin is about the same pocket as a large Twinjet, or a fin from
any other maker.



--- Rich
http://richlockyer.tripod.com/

In article <Uc0cd.9114$Kl3.1343@twister.socal.rr.com>,
whiNstOler@sSan.rPr.cAomM says...
> Blitch. Bastard outbid me on ebay when I wasn't looking.

Good to see you back here. Are you getting wet?

Al Wells wrote:
> In article <Uc0cd.9114$Kl3.1343@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> whiNstOler@sSan.rPr.cAomM says...
>
>>Blitch. Bastard outbid me on ebay when I wasn't looking.
>
>
> Good to see you back here. Are you getting wet?

Thanks, it's nice to be back. Well, it's nice to read SCUBA threads.

Yes, I've started up again. Finally have a reasonable schedule and
enough energy. Also, I've got a young colleague to whom I told stories
over the last couple of years and he finally got enough money to get
certified. Then he puppy-dogged me to death to get back in. Not that I
needed much convincing. First time out I wasn't very comfortable.

Still doing the leopard skin thing?