help me choose canon G6 or olympus c5060 ?

On 28 Oct 2004 03:16:35 -0700, marmagi@gmail.com (Mario) wrote:
>what you think ? which one should i get?
>
>whaterver camera i get what accessories you recommend me to buy ?

Why are you asking here?

This is a scuba group.

There are many fine websites and boards dedicated to digital photgraphy where
you are likely to get much better advice.

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...al+photography

The only thing I can tell you about the Oly 5060 is don't bother with U/W.
The PT-020 housing will flood. The flash is inadequate. Shutter lag
is too long. The lens is slow. Spending on an Ike housing and strobes is ridiculous for
this camera. That would be like buying a silk purse to carry a turd.

If you're going to spend $2000 on a housing and strobes and cases and accessories,
marry yourself to 20 lbs of extra luggage, and diving with an oil derrick, put something
better inside it.
safe diving,

bullshark

I take it you're looking for an underwater camera. The main problem
you'll have with both camera's is finding an underwater housing - there
is no Canon-produced housing for the G6, and I think that the same is
true for the C5060. You can get housings from several manufacturers,
such as Ikelite, but be expected to shell out about the same amount of
money as the camera costs.

To get an excellent, impartial, review of these camera's I'd recommend
www.dpreview.com. Personally speaking I'd recommend the G6, for the
following reasons:

-Higher resolution images, which means you have more flexibility for
post-photo editing
-Lower available ISO rating (ISO50 vs ISO80) = lower noise images
-Closer minimum focal range, larger range of focus in macro mode
-Larger aperture range = better control over your images
-Lower noise sensor = better low-light photo's

The Olympus has a few advantages over the canon, although the only one
which really matters is that the Olympus has a "wider" wide-field view.
The Olympus also has a faster shutter, although that is of no advantage
underwater. On land that makes the Olympus better at catching
stop-action shots of high speed objects.

>whaterver camera i get what accessories you recommend me to buy ?
>
>lense protection filter
>
Usually not required, as both Canon and Olympus both put UV protective
coating on their lenses anyways. You may want a polarizing filter, as
they will let you take better surface shots under some conditions. I
don't think they'll do much underwater.

>extra battery
>
Usually a good idea, especially if you're going to be doing a lot f boat
diving - you may not have opportunities to recharge batteries on a boat,
so having 2 ensures that you'll have enough juice for a 2-tank boat dive.

>case
>
Yep.

>XD of 512mega or 1giga ? what size should i get?
>
Bigger the better.

Bryan

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:38:34 -0600, the cup of Bryan Heit
<bjheit@NOSPAM.ucalgary.ca> overfloweth with the following:

> [...snip...]
> The Olympus also has a faster shutter, although that is of no advantage
> underwater.
> [...snip...]

I'm not sure where you learned your underwater photography, but this is
simply not true. There are countless occasions on which I have cursed
digital cameras due to their shutter lag and inability to capture the shot I
wanted, while underwater. Shutter speed DEFINITELY matters and is one of the
reasons I plan to replace my Olympus C5050Z. Great camera, but shutter lag
is a BIG problem.

Stan

G Winstanley <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
><bjheit@NOSPAM.ucalgary.ca> overfloweth with the following:
>> [...snip...]
>> The Olympus also has a faster shutter, although that is of no advantage
>> underwater.
>> [...snip...]
>
>I'm not sure where you learned your underwater photography, but this is
>simply not true. There are countless occasions on which I have cursed
>digital cameras due to their shutter lag and inability to capture the shot I
>wanted, while underwater. Shutter speed DEFINITELY matters and is one of the
>reasons I plan to replace my Olympus C5050Z. Great camera, but shutter lag
>is a BIG problem.

Shutter lag and shutter speed (exposure) are very different things, Stan.

In any event, for the new UW photography, I'd suggest sticking to the Canons and
Olypus models that do come with the $200 housings, rather than ones requiring
Ikelite or other more custom models. KISS for now.

--
Jason O'Rourke www.jor.com

G Winstanley wrote:

>
>I'm not sure where you learned your underwater photography,
>

Where they teach the proper terms for photography. I see your school
omitted this minor detail. . .

>but this is
>simply not true. There are countless occasions on which I have cursed
>digital cameras due to their shutter lag and inability to capture the shot I
>wanted, while underwater. Shutter speed DEFINITELY matters and is one of the
>reasons I plan to replace my Olympus C5050Z. Great camera, but shutter lag
>is a BIG problem.
>
>Stan
>
>

I was referring to the speed of the shutter, not shutter lag. These are
two completely different things. Shutter speed is the time in which the
shutter remains open to capture the image. The C5060 has a max speed of
about 1/4000th of a second, the canon is one half that (or it may be
1/2000 vs 1/1000, my memory is a little vague here). The shutter speed
is one of two things which determine how much light gets into the camera
(the other is aperture, and there's a 3rd if you want to count ND
filters). The faster the shutter the less the light. Since underwater
photography is essentially low-light photography a fast shutter speed is
unnecessary, seeing as it's rare to have enough light for anything much
faster then 1/500th of a second. Hence my statement is correct - a high
shutter speed is not an important feature for underwater photography.

Shutter lag is another issue all together, and the issue you bring up.
Shutter lag (as opposed to shutter speed) is the length of time from
when you depress the shutter button to the time when the picture is
taken. In cheap digital cameras this can be quite long, which can make
it hard to capture pictures as your subject may move a long ways between
one photo and the next. Both the G6 and C5060 have near-equal shutter
lag, so this is not a major factor when selecting between these two cameras.

Bryan

G Winstanley <nospam@nospam.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:There are countless occasions on which I have cursed
:digital cameras due to their shutter lag and inability to capture the shot I
:wanted, while underwater. Shutter speed DEFINITELY matters and is one of the
:reasons I plan to replace my Olympus C5050Z. Great camera, but shutter lag
:is a BIG problem.

And all this time I thought I had simply messed up the shot. All my
future bad shots will be attributed to shutter lag.

Dan Bracuk
Is it my imagination, or do Buffalo Wings taste like chicken?
The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/


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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:22:53 -0600, the cup of Bryan Heit
<bjheit@NOSPAM.ucalgary.ca> overfloweth with the following:

> G Winstanley wrote:
>
> >
> >I'm not sure where you learned your underwater photography,
> >
>
> Where they teach the proper terms for photography. I see your school
> omitted this minor detail. . .
>
> >but this is
> >simply not true. There are countless occasions on which I have cursed
> >digital cameras due to their shutter lag and inability to capture the shot I
> >wanted, while underwater. Shutter speed DEFINITELY matters and is one of the
> >reasons I plan to replace my Olympus C5050Z. Great camera, but shutter lag
> >is a BIG problem.
> >
> >Stan
> >
> >
>
> I was referring to the speed of the shutter, not shutter lag. These are
> two completely different things. Shutter speed is the time in which the
> shutter remains open to capture the image. The C5060 has a max speed of
> about 1/4000th of a second, the canon is one half that (or it may be
> 1/2000 vs 1/1000, my memory is a little vague here). The shutter speed
> is one of two things which determine how much light gets into the camera
> (the other is aperture, and there's a 3rd if you want to count ND
> filters). The faster the shutter the less the light. Since underwater
> photography is essentially low-light photography a fast shutter speed is
> unnecessary, seeing as it's rare to have enough light for anything much
> faster then 1/500th of a second. Hence my statement is correct - a high
> shutter speed is not an important feature for underwater photography.
>
> Shutter lag is another issue all together, and the issue you bring up.
> Shutter lag (as opposed to shutter speed) is the length of time from
> when you depress the shutter button to the time when the picture is
> taken. In cheap digital cameras this can be quite long, which can make
> it hard to capture pictures as your subject may move a long ways between
> one photo and the next. Both the G6 and C5060 have near-equal shutter
> lag, so this is not a major factor when selecting between these two cameras.
>
> Bryan

Furry nuff. Can't argue that one! My mistake for reading the post after a
long day at the screen. Indeed shutter speed is not shutter lag, and I'm not
sure I've ever really required 1/4000th sec underwater, you're right. I'm
still annoyed about that lag though!

Stan

> The only thing I can tell you about the Oly 5060 is don't bother with U/W.
> The PT-020 housing will flood. The flash is inadequate. Shutter lag

strange, is considered one of the most used cameras, specially the
c5050, why u say it floods ? i have seen people usign it and it didnt
flood

> is too long. The lens is slow. Spending on an Ike housing and strobes is ridiculous for
> this camera. That would be like buying a silk purse to carry a turd.
>

yes u need external strobe.

> If you're going to spend $2000 on a housing and strobes and cases and accessories,

no need 2000

i see u dont like and understand uw photography

On 31 Oct 2004 13:49:01 -0800, marmagi@hotmail.com (Mario) wrote:

>> The only thing I can tell you about the Oly 5060 is don't bother with U/W.
>> The PT-020 housing will flood. The flash is inadequate. Shutter lag
>
>strange, is considered one of the most used cameras,

No, it's not; it's not even fucking close.
Compared to the likes of the Nikonos, it hasn't even been diving yet.

>specially the c5050, why u say it floods ?

Y U no spell words? U 4get How?

I didn't say the 5050/60 flood, I said the Oly housings flood. It's well known and documented. There's
even a site dedicated to how to prevent it if you do your homework. There is a problem with the way
the controls are sealed that guarantees failure. The camera is also excessively hot, leading to
problems with fogging, that is also aggravated by the small confines of the PT-015/020 housing.

> i have seen people usign it and it didnt flood...

So what? I have seen men on the moon. That doesn't mean that's normal.
Do your homework, and you'll find out that the PT-015/020 housings pretty much suck.


>
>> is too long. The lens is slow. Spending on an Ike housing and strobes is ridiculous for
>> this camera. That would be like buying a silk purse to carry a turd.
>>
>
>yes u need external strobe.
>
>> If you're going to spend $2000 on a housing and strobes and cases and accessories,
>
>no need 2000

Oh really?

Ike housing and tray: $600
Dual Sub Strobes: $1000
A pelican case, spares, dome, accessories and taxes will use up the other $400 in a heartbeat.

All that for a TOTALLY MEDIOCRE consumer camera. A stupid, stupid, stupid way to spend
your money. $2-300 more will get you a good camera.

>i see u dont like and understand uw photography

You asked for information and opinions. If you don't like what you get, then fuck off.
Next time tell everyone what you want to hear, so we can all be sure to please you.
I think it's pretty clear who understands what.

In light of that, I urge you to buy the 5060 and PT-020. By all means buy the
little toy flash and housing that Oly makes too. It will all fit well with your abilities.


safe diving,

bullshark

bullshark <bullshark@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I didn't say the 5050/60 flood, I said the Oly housings flood. It's well
> known and documented. There's even a site dedicated to how to prevent it
> if you do your homework. There is a problem with the way the controls are
> sealed that guarantees failure. The camera is also excessively hot,
> leading to problems with fogging, that is also aggravated by the small
> confines of the PT-015/020 housing.

This sounds like a personal opinion. Maybe you would like to provide
links as they are not obvious?

I have been using the Oly housings for the last 2 years and have never
had a problem with either flooding or fogging. The only housings that I
have seen flood have always been due to user error

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