Snorkel

----- Original Message -----
From: <bobbyemem@webtv.net>
Newsgroups: rec.scuba.equipment
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:10 PM
Subject: Snorkel


>I cant find a group for snorkeling. I would like to buy a floating air
> compressor so I can dive shallow debts. Can someone direct me ?
> Thanks in advance Bob Nance

Sure we can, but first a warning. There are several risks involved in
diving, risks that not only can, but most likely will kill you for failing
to follow a few very simple rules. One of the more deadly of those risks, a
lung expansion injury, is more likely to occur in shallow water than on a
deeper dive. I know this is counterintuitive, but it's true. What you are
planning to do is not snorkeling, it is diving with compressed gas and it
comes with the same risks. It's not hard to protect against those risks,
but you do have to know and follow a few very basic rules. Before you go
out diving, whether with scuba tanks or a surface supplied air source, get
the necessary training. In this case, what you don't know, can hurt you.

Having said that, here's a link to the website for the device you're looking
for. http://www.browniedive.com/ .

Lee

I second the advice given by other posters. No diving with compressed gas
is entirely safe and you need to get training to do such diving safely.

There are several other companies that sell units similar to Brownies. Do a
search for hookah.

Brian

"Brian Combs" <bcombs@harbornet.com> wrote in message
news:rcGdnVk_n-IMJDncRVn-og@harbornet.com...
>I second the advice given by other posters. No diving with compressed gas
>is entirely safe and you need to get training to do such diving safely.
>
> There are several other companies that sell units similar to Brownies. Do
> a search for hookah.
>
> Brian
>
>
Jeez if only on the price---do not do it
learn to basic scuba and buy some used kit and a second hand compressor, you
are inviting trouble otherwise.
How much do you value you and your spouses lives at?
A little knowledge is dangerous.
As a point of info for you--in gas expansion terms--from 10M (30ft) to the
surface is in theory the most dangerous should you hold your breath (volume
doubles)
Please learn before the coastguard has to collect you.
just my 0.2

Timberwolf wrote:
> "Brian Combs" <bcombs@harbornet.com> wrote in message
> news:rcGdnVk_n-IMJDncRVn-og@harbornet.com...
>> I second the advice given by other posters. No diving with
>> compressed gas is entirely safe and you need to get training to do
>> such diving safely. There are several other companies that sell units
>> similar to
>> Brownies. Do a search for hookah.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
> Jeez if only on the price---do not do it
> learn to basic scuba and buy some used kit and a second hand
> compressor, you are inviting trouble otherwise.
> How much do you value you and your spouses lives at?
> A little knowledge is dangerous.
> As a point of info for you--in gas expansion terms--from 10M (30ft)
> to the surface is in theory the most dangerous should you hold your
> breath (volume doubles)
> Please learn before the coastguard has to collect you.
> just my 0.2

Using a hookah unit in shallow water does indeed present a lot of
theoretical problems.
It is certainly worth while to obtain training and basic SCUBA training will
cover most of what might be needed for such use.

However such devices have been used in the hills of Northern California by
gold miners for over 30 years and I'm not aware of any accidents relating
from their use. The occasional diver injured by falling rocks under water
but no more than those injured above water.

"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Ys8pd.49215$QJ3.30747@newssvr21.news.prodigy. com...
> Timberwolf wrote:
>> "Brian Combs" <bcombs@harbornet.com> wrote in message
>> news:rcGdnVk_n-IMJDncRVn-og@harbornet.com...
>>> I second the advice given by other posters. No diving with
>>> compressed gas is entirely safe and you need to get training to do
>>> such diving safely. There are several other companies that sell units
>>> similar to
>>> Brownies. Do a search for hookah.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>>
>> Jeez if only on the price---do not do it
>> learn to basic scuba and buy some used kit and a second hand
>> compressor, you are inviting trouble otherwise.
>> How much do you value you and your spouses lives at?
>> A little knowledge is dangerous.
>> As a point of info for you--in gas expansion terms--from 10M (30ft)
>> to the surface is in theory the most dangerous should you hold your
>> breath (volume doubles)
>> Please learn before the coastguard has to collect you.
>> just my 0.2
>
> Using a hookah unit in shallow water does indeed present a lot of
> theoretical problems.
> It is certainly worth while to obtain training and basic SCUBA training
> will cover most of what might be needed for such use.
>
> However such devices have been used in the hills of Northern California by
> gold miners for over 30 years and I'm not aware of any accidents relating
> from their use. The occasional diver injured by falling rocks under water
> but no more than those injured above water.
>
>
Point taken--However many mining incidents from those times seldom go
reported.The length of hose that you trail in a hookah situation also
presents its own specific set of problems--in a comercial situation each
diver is on a seperate supply and also has backup air resource, which
he(she) can swop to instantly without thought.A multiple hookah system as
described is no more than a "t" piece from the supply--what happens if a reg
goes free flow/hose gets cut? I doubt if the compressor has enough
redundancy in supply to cope.

Timberwolf wrote:

>>
>> Using a hookah unit in shallow water does indeed present a lot of
>> theoretical problems.
>> It is certainly worth while to obtain training and basic SCUBA
>> training will cover most of what might be needed for such use.
>>
>> However such devices have been used in the hills of Northern
>> California by gold miners for over 30 years and I'm not aware of any
>> accidents relating from their use. The occasional diver injured by
>> falling rocks under water but no more than those injured above water.
>>
>>
> Point taken--However many mining incidents from those times seldom go
> reported.The length of hose that you trail in a hookah situation also
> presents its own specific set of problems--in a comercial situation
> each diver is on a seperate supply and also has backup air resource,
> which he(she) can swop to instantly without thought.A multiple hookah
> system as described is no more than a "t" piece from the supply--what
> happens if a reg goes free flow/hose gets cut? I doubt if the
> compressor has enough redundancy in supply to cope.

Commercial, yes. Those guys, no. Usually a small tank is placed between the
compressor and diver so they don't have to worry about overbreathing the
thing and have time to surface if the compressor stops - and they hear it.

I cant find a group for snorkeling. I would like t buy a floating air
comressor so I can dive shallow debts. Can someone direct me ?
Thanks in advance Bob Nance

----- Original Message -----
From: <bobbyemem@webtv.net>
Newsgroups: rec.scuba.equipment
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:10 PM
Subject: Snorkel


>I cant find a group for snorkeling. I would like to buy a floating air
> compressor so I can dive shallow debts. Can someone direct me ?
> Thanks in advance Bob Nance

Sure we can, but first a warning. There are several risks involved in
diving, risks that not only can, but most likely will kill you for failing
to follow a few very simple rules. One of the more deadly of those risks, a
lung expansion injury, is more likely to occur in shallow water than on a
deeper dive. I know this is counterintuitive, but it's true. What you are
planning to do is not snorkeling, it is diving with compressed gas and it
comes with the same risks. It's not hard to protect against those risks,
but you do have to know and follow a few very basic rules. Before you go
out diving, whether with scuba tanks or a surface supplied air source, get
the necessary training. In this case, what you don't know, can hurt you.

Having said that, here's a link to the website for the device you're looking
for. http://www.browniedive.com/ .

Lee

"Brian Combs" <bcombs@harbornet.com> wrote in message
news:rcGdnVk_n-IMJDncRVn-og@harbornet.com...
>I second the advice given by other posters. No diving with compressed gas
>is entirely safe and you need to get training to do such diving safely.
>
> There are several other companies that sell units similar to Brownies. Do
> a search for hookah.
>
> Brian
>
>
Jeez if only on the price---do not do it
learn to basic scuba and buy some used kit and a second hand compressor, you
are inviting trouble otherwise.
How much do you value you and your spouses lives at?
A little knowledge is dangerous.
As a point of info for you--in gas expansion terms--from 10M (30ft) to the
surface is in theory the most dangerous should you hold your breath (volume
doubles)
Please learn before the coastguard has to collect you.
just my 0.2

Timberwolf wrote:
> "Brian Combs" <bcombs@harbornet.com> wrote in message
> news:rcGdnVk_n-IMJDncRVn-og@harbornet.com...
>> I second the advice given by other posters. No diving with
>> compressed gas is entirely safe and you need to get training to do
>> such diving safely. There are several other companies that sell units
>> similar to
>> Brownies. Do a search for hookah.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
> Jeez if only on the price---do not do it
> learn to basic scuba and buy some used kit and a second hand
> compressor, you are inviting trouble otherwise.
> How much do you value you and your spouses lives at?
> A little knowledge is dangerous.
> As a point of info for you--in gas expansion terms--from 10M (30ft)
> to the surface is in theory the most dangerous should you hold your
> breath (volume doubles)
> Please learn before the coastguard has to collect you.
> just my 0.2

Using a hookah unit in shallow water does indeed present a lot of
theoretical problems.
It is certainly worth while to obtain training and basic SCUBA training will
cover most of what might be needed for such use.

However such devices have been used in the hills of Northern California by
gold miners for over 30 years and I'm not aware of any accidents relating
from their use. The occasional diver injured by falling rocks under water
but no more than those injured above water.