Aladin AirX Locked - Err

Quote: "Nope, I've not seen a Suunto that does less than 3 or 4 years
of regular
diving on one button cell costing about £2 or $3USD."
Then you should look at the Stinger that I have, it needs a new Battery
about every 7 months.
The replacement cost is about 1500 Thai Baht, here and since its a
lithium battery when its about to die, the battery warning comes on
about 5 dives before it quits, bit of a pain if I'm on a live aboard.

Anybody have their AirX lock from sitting in water? I tried to wake it
using the computer but it just says error (Err.) Any experience with this
problem? I hate to send it in for repair since it just came back.

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 19:58:38 -0500, ben bradlee wrote:

> Anybody have their AirX lock from sitting in water? I tried to wake it
> using the computer but it just says error (Err.) Any experience with this
> problem? I hate to send it in for repair since it just came back.

Sounds like a POS to me.

> Instead, I paid $325 and got a brand new Air-Z with the old computer used
> as trade in.
>
> Also noted that the batteries on the Air-Z are warrantied for life. Uwatec
> will replace the batteries on my new computer free of charge.
>
> While I was disappointed I lost my dive data, I feel I did OK on the
> computer deal.
>
> Andy


Once again, the mighty Johnson / Scubapro / Uwatec have ripped off another
diver by not building dive computers with user replaceable batteries.

It's also their way of getting rid of the older models which had a fault in
the software which HAS resulted in a small number of divers suffering DCI
and subsequent fatalities and disability (thus you're paying them not to be
able to be sued by you).

Also it falsely inflates their turnover of sales and allows them to write
off the old model against tax.

I hope you feel suitably ripped off!

(BTW, I've never have or would own a Uwatec / Scubapro dive computer).

TonyH.

Tony Howard wrote:
>>Instead, I paid $325 and got a brand new Air-Z with the old computer used
>>as trade in.
>>
>>Also noted that the batteries on the Air-Z are warrantied for life. Uwatec
>>will replace the batteries on my new computer free of charge.
>>
>>While I was disappointed I lost my dive data, I feel I did OK on the
>>computer deal.
>>
>>Andy
>
>
>
> Once again, the mighty Johnson / Scubapro / Uwatec have ripped off another
> diver by not building dive computers with user replaceable batteries.
>
> It's also their way of getting rid of the older models which had a fault in
> the software which HAS resulted in a small number of divers suffering DCI
> and subsequent fatalities and disability (thus you're paying them not to be
> able to be sued by you).
>
> Also it falsely inflates their turnover of sales and allows them to write
> off the old model against tax.
>
> I hope you feel suitably ripped off!
>
> (BTW, I've never have or would own a Uwatec / Scubapro dive computer).
>
> TonyH.
>
>

Its a free country and you can certainly buy or not buy any dive
computer, or any other product you choose.

The model of computer I had was NOT one of those involved in the recall.
The date of manufacture was after that time period. I was not
damaged. I had no claim against them.

I bought the computer used about 4 years ago (or more) on Ebay and it
worked fine up to that point.

So, when I bought the computer, I had paid less than half the new price.
I dove it for 4+ years, then replaced it for $325 with a brand new
one, full warranty, and the manufacturer will replace the batteries free
of charge for as long as I own it.

Actually, I don't feel ripped off....suitably or otherwise.

Andy

--
I have never met a liberal street cop.

On Sun, 1 May 2005 16:52:17 +0100, "Tony Howard" <tony@samesamediving.com> wrote:
>Once again, the mighty Johnson / Scubapro / Uwatec have ripped off another
>diver by not building dive computers with user replaceable batteries.

Ignorance is bliss. Scuba pro had no relationship with Uwatec when the defective computers were
made. Tell me how many were made, how many werre shipped, and how many sold before the
software defect was corrected. You seem very knowledgable.

Just exactly what does user replacable batteries have to do with anything?
"User Replaceable Batteries" = "Cheap-ass, crummy, power sucking Components"

You been sold crap, disguised as benefit. General Motors is dreaming of selling you a car with
"User replaceable paint".

>It's also their way of getting rid of the older models which had a fault in
>the software which HAS resulted in a small number of divers suffering DCI

Insufferably poor conclusion, completely unprovable and unsubstantiated.
My guess is that you cannot even describe the software defect, let alone describe the
precise conditions necessary for it to have any impact whatsoever on the outcome
of a dive, or why that impact is unlikely to be a problem.

Here'e a fact Tony, and pay attention for all your worth: No software, no computer,
no table anywhere can guarantee a safe dive. Only a fool would think so. You apparently
have way too much faith in such, since your statements clearly demonstrate that you
are totally convinced that ONLY THE COMPUTER CAN BEND (or save) the diver.

Here is another FACT: The defect was common knowledge in 1997.
What does that say about the dumfuk diving it in the next century?

SP never hid anything. I called them and asked in 1998 and they told me *everything*, on
the first call. What/Where/and How to identify affected models.

>Also it falsely inflates their turnover of sales and allows them to write
>off the old model against tax.

Good god, man, get a fucking grip. Next, you'll be connecting them to Saddam Hussein and WMD.
That is the most fucking ridicuous fucking thing I've read in a while. You'll have to teach us all
about these new accounting principles you employ and the profit and loss statements that
are motivating the evil empire. "write off old models"? Fuck man, they haven't made any for
over ten years.

>(BTW, I've never have or would own a Uwatec / Scubapro dive computer).

No shit. If I was running around with even half the misinformation and ill-formed conclusions
you're saddled with, I'd be afraid to dive from a boat with an Uwatec on board. Surely the
damned things are busy drilling holes in the boat when no one's looking, so Scuba Pro
can increase sales turns even more.

Until you get over your Dive Computer = Dive God complex, you're not safe on
any gas, at any depth.
safe diving,

bullshark

"bullshark" <bullshark@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:l1la71d2b9e59hsn3sf6rfkhm18215g364@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 1 May 2005 16:52:17 +0100, "Tony Howard" <tony@samesamediving.com>
> wrote:
>>Once again, the mighty Johnson / Scubapro / Uwatec have ripped off another
>>diver by not building dive computers with user replaceable batteries.
>
> Ignorance is bliss. Scuba pro had no relationship with Uwatec when the
> defective computers were
> made. Tell me how many were made, how many werre shipped, and how many
> sold before the
> software defect was corrected. You seem very knowledgable.
>
> Just exactly what does user replacable batteries have to do with anything?
> "User Replaceable Batteries" = "Cheap-ass, crummy, power sucking
> Components"

Nope, I've not seen a Suunto that does less than 3 or 4 years of regular
diving on one button cell costing about £2 or $3USD.

>
> You been sold crap, disguised as benefit. General Motors is dreaming of
> selling you a car with
> "User replaceable paint".

Or maybe you would buy a car where everytime the brake-pads wore out or it
needed a new tank of petrol you had to pay £5000 for a 'factory upgrade'


>>It's also their way of getting rid of the older models which had a fault
>>in
>>the software which HAS resulted in a small number of divers suffering DCI
>
> Insufferably poor conclusion, completely unprovable and unsubstantiated.
> My guess is that you cannot even describe the software defect, let alone
> describe the
> precise conditions necessary for it to have any impact whatsoever on the
> outcome
> of a dive, or why that impact is unlikely to be a problem.

I on't wist to repeat the huge amount of detail and discussions on this
matter, maybe you should search the archives as there is a ton of legal
papers and reports on exactly tis matter.

> Here'e a fact Tony, and pay attention for all your worth: No software, no
> computer,
> no table anywhere can guarantee a safe dive. Only a fool would think so.
> You apparently
> have way too much faith in such, since your statements clearly demonstrate
> that you
> are totally convinced that ONLY THE COMPUTER CAN BEND (or save) the diver.

True, however; the defect in these dive computers was NOT a limitation of
the currently used dcompression algorythms (mostly variations of the
Buhlmann 16 compartmet tissue model), but a programming error in their
implementation and failure of the development team that performed the
programming.

>
> Here is another FACT: The defect was common knowledge in 1997.
> What does that say about the dumfuk diving it in the next century?

Only that the unit had built-in obsolescence!

> SP never hid anything. I called them and asked in 1998 and they told me
> *everything*, on
> the first call. What/Where/and How to identify affected models.

Only because by that time they were legally obliged to as the fault had
already been discovered (by it's effects) and publicised.

>>Also it falsely inflates their turnover of sales and allows them to write
>>off the old model against tax.
>
> Good god, man, get a fucking grip. Next, you'll be connecting them to
> Saddam Hussein and WMD.
> That is the most fucking ridicuous fucking thing I've read in a while.
> You'll have to teach us all
> about these new accounting principles you employ and the profit and loss
> statements that
> are motivating the evil empire. "write off old models"? Fuck man, they
> haven't made any for
> over ten years.

Nope, I'll leave that to Bush and Blair, (I demonstrated against the war)
but I DO know how commercial organisations work and you are naive to think
otherwise.

>
>>(BTW, I've never have or would own a Uwatec / Scubapro dive computer).
>
> No shit. If I was running around with even half the misinformation and
> ill-formed conclusions
> you're saddled with, I'd be afraid to dive from a boat with an Uwatec on
> board. Surely the
> damned things are busy drilling holes in the boat when no one's looking,
> so Scuba Pro
> can increase sales turns even more.

Now who's paranoid!

> Until you get over your Dive Computer = Dive God complex, you're not safe
> on
> any gas, at any depth.
> safe diving,

Oh so thats why I mostly dive with the unit set to gauge mode then!

> bullshark

More like Bullshit!

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 19:58:38 -0500, "ben bradlee" <up2u2figr@NoWay.Fool> wrote:

>Anybody have their AirX lock from sitting in water? I tried to wake it
>using the computer but it just says error (Err.) Any experience with this
>problem? I hate to send it in for repair since it just came back.
>
Have seen the problem on the Aladin Pro, can be caused by having a mobile phone
operate next to it.

--
Steve Barlow

>
> So why buy a computer at all??
>
> --
> Steve Barlow

Depth, time, ascent rate, water temp and the ability to download afterwards.

Quote: "Nope, I've not seen a Suunto that does less than 3 or 4 years
of regular
diving on one button cell costing about £2 or $3USD."
Then you should look at the Stinger that I have, it needs a new Battery
about every 7 months.
The replacement cost is about 1500 Thai Baht, here and since its a
lithium battery when its about to die, the battery warning comes on
about 5 dives before it quits, bit of a pain if I'm on a live aboard.