Buying new vs. used

In article <wEoif.20974$7n6.11198@fe08.lga>, TonyP
<arpierre@hooptonline.net> wrote:

And,
€ how much are the parts to overhaul a regulator? Dirt cheap for the most
€ part.
€

That's a good question. What *do* parts cost for various regs. I was
kind of taken aback when I was charged $70 recently for the parts to
overhaul my TX-100. I thought this was out of line, but I don't have
too much of a reference. What are some "normal" parts costs for
overhauls?

Alan

TonyP wrote:
> Ian Ring [spammer] wrote:
> > Should you buy used scuba gear?
> > read the answer at the Scuba Guide:
> > http://www.spam.spam.spam.spam.baked...spam.spam .ca
>
> I strongly disagree.

So far, all of the so-called "information" I've bothered to read on
Ian's attempt at a website has been bad advice. For a laugh, here's
another "Ian Ring" winner:

"Sharks do not eat scuba divers. Sharks eat surfers."

Ian apparently doesn't really care if his advice is crap, since
eyeballs for "Yahoo! Search Marketing" payments is his revenue stream,
not actual accuracy in content. This is evidenced by the history that
past critical comments have had Ian's response been to invite the
poster to *donate* the correction to his website, since Ian Ring
apparently doesn't pay his authors for their works.

If you want to write a dive gear review, Epinions.com pay commissions
on submissions.

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On used gear, the bottom line is that a few items can be worth buying
for their slightly lower lifecycle costs because the 'lifetime
warranty' bit. But the product still has to be at least as good as its
competitors to make the first cut so that this factor comes into play
as a product tie-breaker.

And as it had already been said, the best value in diving is to find
the used gear for sale that was top-of-the-line stuff around 5 years
ago when a new diver bought the stuff under the assumption that they
wouldn't be part of the ~80% that drop out of the sport within the
first ~5 years. This gear can often be found for a song (33% of
original MSRP or lower isn't particularly uncommon) and will usually be
very lightly used...less than 50 dives. Afterall, the gear's being
sold beause they dropped out by not diving. While non-warranty
rebuilds on a regulator will cost more, if you pick up an $600
regulator for $200, the money saved can pay for a decade's worth of
higher (non-warranty) rebuild costs.


-hh (C) 2005

Alan Street wrote:

> In article <wEoif.20974$7n6.11198@fe08.lga>, TonyP
> <arpierre@hooptonline.net> wrote:
>
> And,
> € how much are the parts to overhaul a regulator? Dirt cheap for the most
> € part.
> €
>
> That's a good question. What *do* parts cost for various regs. I was
> kind of taken aback when I was charged $70 recently for the parts to
> overhaul my TX-100. I thought this was out of line, but I don't have
> too much of a reference. What are some "normal" parts costs for
> overhauls?

Did that include labor? It costs me $75 to have my Poseidon Odin
serviced (as long as the pilot value does not have to be replaced). For
the Sherwood Maximus... $35.

Here is a place that does service and the prices they charge..

http://www.northeastscubasupply.com/...regulator.html

In article <271120052133328683%agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com>,
agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com says...

> That's a good question. What *do* parts cost for various regs. I was
> kind of taken aback when I was charged $70 recently for the parts to
> overhaul my TX-100. I thought this was out of line, but I don't have
> too much of a reference. What are some "normal" parts costs for
> overhauls?

I can buy Apeks first and second stage rebuild kits for about $19/ea
($38 for a first and second stage). This varies with currency
fluctuations.

In article <4lMif.14391$mM2.3164@fe09.lga>, TonyP
<arpierre@hooptonline.net> wrote:

€ Alan Street wrote:
€
€ > In article <wEoif.20974$7n6.11198@fe08.lga>, TonyP
€ > <arpierre@hooptonline.net> wrote:
€ >
€ > And,
€ > € how much are the parts to overhaul a regulator? Dirt cheap for the most
€ > € part.
€ > €
€ >
€ > That's a good question. What *do* parts cost for various regs. I was
€ > kind of taken aback when I was charged $70 recently for the parts to
€ > overhaul my TX-100. I thought this was out of line, but I don't have
€ > too much of a reference. What are some "normal" parts costs for
€ > overhauls?
€
€ Did that include labor? It costs me $75 to have my Poseidon Odin
€ serviced (as long as the pilot value does not have to be replaced). For
€ the Sherwood Maximus... $35.
€
€ Here is a place that does service and the prices they charge..
€
€ http://www.northeastscubasupply.com/...regulator.html
€
€

Thanks for the link, Tony. I think I was ripped off.

In article <MPG.1df56c86fd554f1d9897c5@news.verizon.net>, Al Wells
<al.wells@gmail.com> wrote:

€ In article <271120052133328683%agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com>,
€ agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com says...
€
€ > That's a good question. What *do* parts cost for various regs. I was
€ > kind of taken aback when I was charged $70 recently for the parts to
€ > overhaul my TX-100. I thought this was out of line, but I don't have
€ > too much of a reference. What are some "normal" parts costs for
€ > overhauls?
€
€ I can buy Apeks first and second stage rebuild kits for about $19/ea
€ ($38 for a first and second stage). This varies with currency
€ fluctuations.


Thanks, Al.

John wrote:
> Amanda,
>
> I might be able to start you off. I have a like new 6.5 M.M.
> wetsuit ( I believe henderson). My wife bought it optimistically. So if you
> are petite and interested I can provide you with further info.
>
> John

If I were petite this would be a lot easier.

Thank you though!

-Amanda

I've bought very little gear 2nd hand since, in the UK at least, it
seems to go for far too much money. On ebay for instance, stuff seems
to go for more than brand new quite often. Regs are cheap enough new
that it's hardly worth it eg new Apex TX40 for perhaps £120 (UK
pounds): perfectly good reg for any conditions. And with 2nd hand regs,
they usually come with all sorts of consoles and oyther crap that the
seller expects money for, but you don't really want. Tanks and regs
just aren't cheap enough 2nd hand. That said, I did get a BCD cheap (50
UK pounds = US$75), which did me fine, till I bought a (new) wing, and
it then got sold on for what I paid when I got a wing. BCD either fits,
and blows up without leaks or it doesn't, so it hardly merits servicing
by a shop or whatever. Similarly I'd happily buy reels, knives and such
like 2nd hand. Wetsuit - absolutely - it either fits or it doesn't
Dry-suit - would have to be very cheap indeed, as most people I know
with 2nd hand dry suits have not been dry! . And a BCD is something
you won't yet know enough about to choose sensibly, since you don't now
(I imagine) know what sort of diving you're going to end up doing
(stripey fish holiday only, twins / techie or whatever). Main trick is
to only buy each thing once. Buying twice is the most expensive route !
Other main cost-saver is that top-quality regs are available cheap (eg
the Apeks mentioned above), so there's really no need to buy the
titanium-rolex-wonderfullness ones unless you're into that sort of
thing for non-diving reasons.


Hope this helps a little.

Hywel

I've bought very little gear 2nd hand since, in the UK at least, it
seems to go for far too much money. On ebay for instance, stuff seems
to go for more than brand new quite often. Regs are cheap enough new
that it's hardly worth it eg new Apex TX40 for perhaps £120 (UK
pounds): perfectly good reg for any conditions. And with 2nd hand regs,
they usually come with all sorts of consoles and oyther crap that the
seller expects money for, but you don't really want. Tanks and regs
just aren't cheap enough 2nd hand. That said, I did get a BCD cheap (50
UK pounds = US$75), which did me fine, till I bought a (new) wing, and
it then got sold on for what I paid when I got a wing. BCD either fits,
and blows up without leaks or it doesn't, so it hardly merits servicing
by a shop or whatever. Similarly I'd happily buy reels, knives and such
like 2nd hand. Wetsuit - absolutely - it either fits or it doesn't
Dry-suit - would have to be very cheap indeed, as most people I know
with 2nd hand dry suits have not been dry! . And a BCD is something
you won't yet know enough about to choose sensibly, since you don't now
(I imagine) know what sort of diving you're going to end up doing
(stripey fish holiday only, twins / techie or whatever). Main trick is
to only buy each thing once. Buying twice is the most expensive route !
Other main cost-saver is that top-quality regs are available cheap (eg
the Apeks mentioned above), so there's really no need to buy the
titanium-rolex-wonderfullness ones unless you're into that sort of
thing for non-diving reasons.


Hope this helps a little.

Hywel

It's time.

I have to buy.

But I can't afford a whole bunch of top 'o the line gear.

Is it worth it to look into used equipment? I'm starting from scratch here.

a