Which dive computer would you choose?

First of all, please switch to use a newsreader program that does
indentation ! It is VERY annoying to read your posting, when it is not
easy to se what you wrote and what someone else wrote.

Lee Bell wrote:
> "Søren Reinke" wrote
>
>> The question is not whether the Suunto line will handle situations when it
>> calculates you have exceeded your no deco limit but, rather, whether you
>> really have exceeded your limit when it says you have.
>
> I would absolutely prefer a computer that tells me i am at deco now,
> before i actually am, compared to a computer that tells me to late.
>
> How about one that tells you accurately?

I would suggest you start to study deco theory, there is not algorithm
that is accurate ! ALL OF THEM are approximations.

As i wrote to you earlier there are way to many factors not in the
equation for it to be accurate !

go to www.google.com and search for deco algorithms.

>
> So a conservative profile i would say is better than one that is not.
>
> Your choice. I'll see you when I return to the surface, long after you've
> ascended.

'long after' hehehe, no way.

>
> My colleges, did use vytec, vyper, vr3, aladin, mares, and i would guess
> every other computer on the market (there are MANY dive
> guides/instructors in Sharm el Sheikh.) and none of them ever did talk
> about having to little dive time when guiding or teaching.
>
> Could that possibly be because they were ascending with whoever needed to
> ascend first?

On the first few dives with new guests yes, after that i was normally
always last. Often very close to deco, still no problems.

>
> But for a 4 dives a day liveaboard, the Suunto ones, are not limiting
> you, if you do recreational diving. Of course if you plan to go under
> the arches in Thomas Canyon (first one at around 45 meters) you will end
> up in deco anyway (except if you are nuts (trust me it is a LOVELY
> dive in that canyon)
>
> My motto when diving is and has always been 'better safe than sorry'
>
> You're safest if you don't dive at all.

Please read what i write 'when diving' that does not mean i wont dive.

It sounds to me as you cant/wont accept that other dives didn't have any
problems with using a non vytec suunto computer on a liveaboard, and
didnt get their dives shortened by using them.

If you don't like suunto for some reason, no problem, but remember that
does not mean everybody else don't like them as well

>
> Lee
>
>


--
Best regards
C.T.O. Søren Reinke
www.Xray-Mag.com Your free online dive magazine
Download it in PDF, just like a real magazine

"Søren Reinke" wrote

First of all, please switch to use a newsreader program that does
indentation ! It is VERY annoying to read your posting, when it is not
easy to se what you wrote and what someone else wrote.

How about you switch to one that indents properly? Mine works for others.

>> The question is not whether the Suunto line will handle situations when
>> it calculates you have exceeded your no deco limit but, rather, whether
>> you really have exceeded your limit when it says you have.
>
> I would absolutely prefer a computer that tells me i am at deco now,
> before i actually am, compared to a computer that tells me to late.
>
> How about one that tells you accurately?

I would suggest you start to study deco theory, there is not algorithm
that is accurate ! ALL OF THEM are approximations.

If you think it's all an approximation, I would suggest you learn how to
calculate MOD.

> Your choice. I'll see you when I return to the surface, long after you've
> ascended.

'long after' hehehe, no way.

Yes way. You see, I've done the comparison I suggested to you. I know what
the results were. You're still guessing. Any time you want a
demonstration, come on over, cupcake. I'll be more than happy to show you
just how wrong you are.

> My colleges, did use vytec, vyper, vr3, aladin, mares, and i would guess
> every other computer on the market (there are MANY dive
> guides/instructors in Sharm el Sheikh.) and none of them ever did talk
> about having to little dive time when guiding or teaching.
>
> Could that possibly be because they were ascending with whoever needed to
> ascend first?

On the first few dives with new guests yes, after that i was normally
always last. Often very close to deco, still no problems.

Very close to what your computer shows as deco. Not at all close to what
every set of tables I know of shows.

It sounds to me as you cant/wont accept that other dives didn't have any
problems with using a non vytec suunto computer on a liveaboard, and
didnt get their dives shortened by using them.

It sounds to me like you are in denial. You're welcome to use whatever you
like. Have you done the comparisons I suggested? Until you have, I suggest
your opinion lacks credibility.

Lee

>> Could that possibly be because they were ascending with whoever needed
>> to ascend first?
>
> On the first few dives with new guests yes, after that i was normally
> always last. Often very close to deco, still no problems.
>
> Very close to what your computer shows as deco. Not at all close to
> what every set of tables I know of shows.

Especially the set of Chilean Navy tables that I have somewhere... 15
mins at 90m with no deco ;->

Captain's log. On StarDate Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:24:53 -0500 received comm from
"STF" <stf_73@hotmail.com> on channel rec.scuba.equipment:

: I'm looking to buy a dive computer. I was looking for one of those 3
:
: Suunto Vyper (with cable)
:
: Scuba pro Aladin tec (with IR)
:
: Scuba pro Aladin prime (with IR)

I have and prefer the Suunto D9 wich includes an USB cable (most other forces
you to use a serial port or an IR interface). It's much more expensive, but I
like that it has a build in compass and that it also looks good as a watch.

Check out http://www.suuntocampaigns.com/D9/ for more info about the D9.

martin

--
Martin Törnsten - http://martin.tornsten.com/


_________________________________________
Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server
More than 140,000 groups
Unlimited download
http://www.usenetzone.com to open account

Martin T wrote:
> Captain's log. On StarDate Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:24:53 -0500 received comm from
> "STF" <stf_73@hotmail.com> on channel rec.scuba.equipment:
>
> : I'm looking to buy a dive computer. I was looking for one of those3
> :
> : Suunto Vyper (with cable)
> :
> : Scuba pro Aladin tec (with IR)
> :
> : Scuba pro Aladin prime (with IR)
>
> I have and prefer the Suunto D9 wich includes an USB cable (most other forces
> you to use a serial port or an IR interface). It's much more expensive,but I
> like that it has a build in compass and that it also looks good as a watch.

Hi Martin

I have a Suunto Vytec at the moment including transmitter.

Do you have any idea if the D9 can talk to the vytec transmitter ?

I am planning to get me D9, but in the beginning i would prefer not to
have to buy another transmitter.


--
Best regards
C.T.O. Søren Reinke
www.Xray-Mag.com Your free online dive magazine
Download it in PDF, just like a real magazine

Captain's log. On StarDate Sun, 04 Dec 2005 18:05:31 +0100 received comm from
Søren Reinke <soren@REMOVE.reinke.dk> on channel rec.scuba.equipment:

: I have a Suunto Vytec at the moment including transmitter.
:
: Do you have any idea if the D9 can talk to the vytec transmitter ?

I have the D9 with transmitter. It's *exactly* the same as the one who comes
with the Vytec.

: I am planning to get me D9, but in the beginning i would prefer not to
: have to buy another transmitter.

It won't be any problem.

They work interchangeably (same Suunto part/spare number as well).

martin

--
Martin Törnsten - http://martin.tornsten.com/


_________________________________________
Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server
More than 140,000 groups
Unlimited download
http://www.usenetzone.com to open account

Martin T wrote:
> Captain's log. On StarDate Sun, 04 Dec 2005 18:05:31 +0100 received comm from
> Søren Reinke <soren@REMOVE.reinke.dk> on channel rec.scuba.equipment:
>
> : I have a Suunto Vytec at the moment including transmitter.
> :
> : Do you have any idea if the D9 can talk to the vytec transmitter ?
>
> I have the D9 with transmitter. It's *exactly* the same as the one who comes
> with the Vytec.
>
> : I am planning to get me D9, but in the beginning i would prefer not to
> : have to buy another transmitter.
>
> It won't be any problem.
>
> They work interchangeably (same Suunto part/spare number as well).
>
> martin
>


Hi Martin

Thanks for the info :)

--
Best regards
C.T.O. Søren Reinke
www.Xray-Mag.com Your free online dive magazine
Download it in PDF, just like a real magazine