Inflator-integrated octopus

"Alan Street" wrote

> The backup is "necklaced" on a short hose by zip-tying a piece of
> rubber tubing or shock cord to the regulator mouthpiece. The tubing is
> worn around the neck, holding the back-up under your chin.

Your configuration and mine differ in one respect. My necklace is thing
bungie
that is connected with two overhand knots. The mouthpiece is in between
the
knots and held by tension of the bungie. There's no zip tie involved in
mine.
If you pull mine, it will come free without taking the mouthpiece off the
second
stage. Zip tied ones, at least those I've seen, don't come free as easily
and
are more likely to take the mouthpiece with them.

Lee

"Alan Street" wrote

> The backup is "necklaced" on a short hose by zip-tying a piece of
> rubber tubing or shock cord to the regulator mouthpiece. The tubing is
> worn around the neck, holding the back-up under your chin.

Your configuration and mine differ in one respect. My necklace is thing
bungie
that is connected with two overhand knots. The mouthpiece is in between
the
knots and held by tension of the bungie. There's no zip tie involved in
mine.
If you pull mine, it will come free without taking the mouthpiece off the
second
stage. Zip tied ones, at least those I've seen, don't come free as easily
and
are more likely to take the mouthpiece with them.

Lee

Lee Bell wrote:
> You might be surprised. I can tell you from experience, that I'm quite calm
> in an emergency. I also tell you from experience that several other people
> in this forum, people who I have been diving with enough to know, are also
> quite calm in an emergency. There are a few that, from second hand
> knowledge, I would trust to be quite calm in an emergency.
>
> There are, however, more than a few that aren't calm in an emergency. Try
> not to be with one of them in an emergency situation.
>
> Lee

Comparing experienced and inexperienced divers, I would expect a larger
percentage of the experienced divers to be able to remain calm and deal
with emergencies effectively, simply because they probably have a
higher level of comfort in the water. In addition, they may have dealt
with similar emergencies before, perhaps even several times. Then
again, even highly experienced divers have been known to panic and make
stupid, even fatal, mistakes. Under the right conditions, a massive
dose of adrenaline can be a real killer.

Lee Bell wrote:
> You might be surprised. I can tell you from experience, that I'm quite calm
> in an emergency. I also tell you from experience that several other people
> in this forum, people who I have been diving with enough to know, are also
> quite calm in an emergency. There are a few that, from second hand
> knowledge, I would trust to be quite calm in an emergency.
>
> There are, however, more than a few that aren't calm in an emergency. Try
> not to be with one of them in an emergency situation.
>
> Lee

Comparing experienced and inexperienced divers, I would expect a larger
percentage of the experienced divers to be able to remain calm and deal
with emergencies effectively, simply because they probably have a
higher level of comfort in the water. In addition, they may have dealt
with similar emergencies before, perhaps even several times. Then
again, even highly experienced divers have been known to panic and make
stupid, even fatal, mistakes. Under the right conditions, a massive
dose of adrenaline can be a real killer.

"Lee Bell" <pleebell@bellsouth.net> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:You might be surprised. I can tell you from experience, that I'm quite calm
:in an emergency. I also tell you from experience that several other people
:in this forum, people who I have been diving with enough to know, are also
:quite calm in an emergency. There are a few that, from second hand
:knowledge, I would trust to be quite calm in an emergency.
:
:There are, however, more than a few that aren't calm in an emergency. Try
:not to be with one of them in an emergency situation.

I don't know what category I fall into. I avoid emergencies.

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.

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"Lee Bell" <pleebell@bellsouth.net> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:You might be surprised. I can tell you from experience, that I'm quite calm
:in an emergency. I also tell you from experience that several other people
:in this forum, people who I have been diving with enough to know, are also
:quite calm in an emergency. There are a few that, from second hand
:knowledge, I would trust to be quite calm in an emergency.
:
:There are, however, more than a few that aren't calm in an emergency. Try
:not to be with one of them in an emergency situation.

I don't know what category I fall into. I avoid emergencies.

Dan Bracuk
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"Mick" <micknewton@direcway.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:Comparing experienced and inexperienced divers, I would expect a larger
ercentage of the experienced divers to be able to remain calm and deal
:with emergencies effectively, simply because they probably have a
:higher level of comfort in the water.

I disagree. I think someone who is generally calm is generally calm
in or out of the water, and someone exciteable is exciteable in and
out of the water.

Dan Bracuk
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"Mick" <micknewton@direcway.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:Comparing experienced and inexperienced divers, I would expect a larger
ercentage of the experienced divers to be able to remain calm and deal
:with emergencies effectively, simply because they probably have a
:higher level of comfort in the water.

I disagree. I think someone who is generally calm is generally calm
in or out of the water, and someone exciteable is exciteable in and
out of the water.

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.

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"Lee Bell" <pleebell@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> "HappyFunBoater" wrote
>
>> Image you and your buddy at 80ft. Your buddy is 50ft away when he runs
>> out of air, beginning the process of freaking out and turning blue.
>
> 50 feet away at 80 feet? That's not a buddy, that's a solo diver.
>
>> By the time he gets to you, he goes straight for your primary regulator
>> because you're supposed to breath from the secondary combo. But you may
>> not be ready for him to yank the primary from your
>> mouth.
>
> Why aren't you ready? You had time to see him coming, right?

If you're diving that far from your buddy, I doubt you're looking at him the
whole time.

>> Now you're freaking out also . . .
>
> Why are you freaking out? Isn't this what you planned for when you bought
> your alternate?

Because the other guy yanked your regulator out while you were breathing in
and you got a lung full of saltwater?

>> . . . you grab your snorkel, computer, or whatever else you can find
>> before finally getting the secondary combo in your mouth - at which point
>> you immediately suck in a lung full of salt water. If you don't
>> routinely check out your secondary maybe it doesn't even work.
>
> This is not a reason to carry a regular octopus, it's a reason to keep
> your equipment in good shape and test it before every dive.

Shit happens.

>> Of course none of this happens if everyone keeps their head. And I'm
>> sure there are other situations where a combo is better. But this one
>> reason really swayed me to go the more traditional secondary route.
>
> Actually, I'm not sure there are times when a combination unit is better.
> Sure, it reduces the number of hoses just a bit, but that's about it.
> There aren't many disadvantages, but there are some. There's only one
> advantage and, for most divers, the balance comes out in favor of a
> separate alternate. For some, it comes out that other way. That's OK
> too.
>
> Lee
>

But I agree with your points. None of the shit I mentioned should ever
happen.

"Lee Bell" <pleebell@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> "HappyFunBoater" wrote
>
>> Image you and your buddy at 80ft. Your buddy is 50ft away when he runs
>> out of air, beginning the process of freaking out and turning blue.
>
> 50 feet away at 80 feet? That's not a buddy, that's a solo diver.
>
>> By the time he gets to you, he goes straight for your primary regulator
>> because you're supposed to breath from the secondary combo. But you may
>> not be ready for him to yank the primary from your
>> mouth.
>
> Why aren't you ready? You had time to see him coming, right?

If you're diving that far from your buddy, I doubt you're looking at him the
whole time.

>> Now you're freaking out also . . .
>
> Why are you freaking out? Isn't this what you planned for when you bought
> your alternate?

Because the other guy yanked your regulator out while you were breathing in
and you got a lung full of saltwater?

>> . . . you grab your snorkel, computer, or whatever else you can find
>> before finally getting the secondary combo in your mouth - at which point
>> you immediately suck in a lung full of salt water. If you don't
>> routinely check out your secondary maybe it doesn't even work.
>
> This is not a reason to carry a regular octopus, it's a reason to keep
> your equipment in good shape and test it before every dive.

Shit happens.

>> Of course none of this happens if everyone keeps their head. And I'm
>> sure there are other situations where a combo is better. But this one
>> reason really swayed me to go the more traditional secondary route.
>
> Actually, I'm not sure there are times when a combination unit is better.
> Sure, it reduces the number of hoses just a bit, but that's about it.
> There aren't many disadvantages, but there are some. There's only one
> advantage and, for most divers, the balance comes out in favor of a
> separate alternate. For some, it comes out that other way. That's OK
> too.
>
> Lee
>

But I agree with your points. None of the shit I mentioned should ever
happen.