Question re: BCD, regulator, weights

"bullshark" <bullshark@gmail.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:First, a correctly weighted warm water diver can dump all air at the
:bottom before ascent begins and fin to the surface. This will maximize
:control over all-important ascent speed.

Way too much work for those of us who dive for fun. Plus, being
neutral gives me more control than being negative.

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.

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"bullshark" <bullshark@gmail.com> pounded away at his keyboard
resulting in:
:First, a correctly weighted warm water diver can dump all air at the
:bottom before ascent begins and fin to the surface. This will maximize
:control over all-important ascent speed.

Way too much work for those of us who dive for fun. Plus, being
neutral gives me more control than being negative.

Dan Bracuk
If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.

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Dan Bracuk wrote:
> "bullshark" <bullshark@gmail.com> pounded away at his keyboard
> resulting in:
> :First, a correctly weighted warm water diver can dump all air at the
> :bottom before ascent begins and fin to the surface. This will maximize
> :control over all-important ascent speed.
>
> Way too much work for those of us who dive for fun.
> Plus, being
> neutral gives me more control than being negative.

What a Canadian response.

Gee, ascending neutral. Why the fuck didn't I think of that?
How do you do that? Do you have to dump air as you ascend?
How do you do that if your inflator/regulator is in your mouth?

Maybe you didn't read the post or I may not have been clear enough.
I was referring to managing ascent when there is a diver sharing air
with you.

bullshark

Dan Bracuk wrote:
> "bullshark" <bullshark@gmail.com> pounded away at his keyboard
> resulting in:
> :First, a correctly weighted warm water diver can dump all air at the
> :bottom before ascent begins and fin to the surface. This will maximize
> :control over all-important ascent speed.
>
> Way too much work for those of us who dive for fun.
> Plus, being
> neutral gives me more control than being negative.

What a Canadian response.

Gee, ascending neutral. Why the fuck didn't I think of that?
How do you do that? Do you have to dump air as you ascend?
How do you do that if your inflator/regulator is in your mouth?

Maybe you didn't read the post or I may not have been clear enough.
I was referring to managing ascent when there is a diver sharing air
with you.

bullshark

Lee Bell wrote:
> bullshark wrote
>
> > Last, but not least, this is technically a rescue situation. If any
> > buoyancy needs managing, you manage your victims inflator, and your BC
> > is empty. Two people managing buoyancy on ascent (one or both of which
> > is panicked) is a recipe for trouble. Dump yours, manage theirs. Keep
> > their inflator button out of their hands. It looks just like an "Up"
> > button to them and they're out of air.
>
> As you note, they're out of air. It's a bit difficult to add gas to their
> BCD if necessary. In such a situation, manual inflation or their BCD would
> not be my first choice.

See folks? Here is a diver who is not even out of air, or panicked, and
he thinks the inflator button is a fucking elevator. Bad Lee. Bad Lee.
Stop that.

As ambient declines, a reserve supply appears in even the most empty
tank.

bullshark

Lee Bell wrote:
> bullshark wrote
>
> > Last, but not least, this is technically a rescue situation. If any
> > buoyancy needs managing, you manage your victims inflator, and your BC
> > is empty. Two people managing buoyancy on ascent (one or both of which
> > is panicked) is a recipe for trouble. Dump yours, manage theirs. Keep
> > their inflator button out of their hands. It looks just like an "Up"
> > button to them and they're out of air.
>
> As you note, they're out of air. It's a bit difficult to add gas to their
> BCD if necessary. In such a situation, manual inflation or their BCD would
> not be my first choice.

See folks? Here is a diver who is not even out of air, or panicked, and
he thinks the inflator button is a fucking elevator. Bad Lee. Bad Lee.
Stop that.

As ambient declines, a reserve supply appears in even the most empty
tank.

bullshark

bullshark wrote

>> > Last, but not least, this is technically a rescue situation. If any
>> > buoyancy needs managing, you manage your victims inflator, and your BC
>> > is empty. Two people managing buoyancy on ascent (one or both of which
>> > is panicked) is a recipe for trouble. Dump yours, manage theirs. Keep
>> > their inflator button out of their hands. It looks just like an "Up"
>> > button to them and they're out of air.

>> As you note, they're out of air. It's a bit difficult to add gas to
>> their
>> BCD if necessary. In such a situation, manual inflation or their BCD
>> would
>> not be my first choice.

> See folks? Here is a diver who is not even out of air, or panicked, and
> he thinks the inflator button is a fucking elevator. Bad Lee. Bad Lee.
> Stop that.

If that were true, it would, indeed be bad. That's not what I said. Most
divers who dump the gas from their BCD become negative. Going negative
myself and having no gas to put into the OOA diver's BCD still would not be
my first choice.

> As ambient declines, a reserve supply appears in even the most empty
> tank.

Yep, 14.7 psi for every 33 feet. That's better than nothing if you're
sucking on a nearly empty tank. Been there and done that. It's not much
for buoyancy control.

Regardless, I still agree that a combination unit is quite workable even in
an emergency situation. I believe it enough to have used one for about 8
years.

Lee

bullshark wrote

>> > Last, but not least, this is technically a rescue situation. If any
>> > buoyancy needs managing, you manage your victims inflator, and your BC
>> > is empty. Two people managing buoyancy on ascent (one or both of which
>> > is panicked) is a recipe for trouble. Dump yours, manage theirs. Keep
>> > their inflator button out of their hands. It looks just like an "Up"
>> > button to them and they're out of air.

>> As you note, they're out of air. It's a bit difficult to add gas to
>> their
>> BCD if necessary. In such a situation, manual inflation or their BCD
>> would
>> not be my first choice.

> See folks? Here is a diver who is not even out of air, or panicked, and
> he thinks the inflator button is a fucking elevator. Bad Lee. Bad Lee.
> Stop that.

If that were true, it would, indeed be bad. That's not what I said. Most
divers who dump the gas from their BCD become negative. Going negative
myself and having no gas to put into the OOA diver's BCD still would not be
my first choice.

> As ambient declines, a reserve supply appears in even the most empty
> tank.

Yep, 14.7 psi for every 33 feet. That's better than nothing if you're
sucking on a nearly empty tank. Been there and done that. It's not much
for buoyancy control.

Regardless, I still agree that a combination unit is quite workable even in
an emergency situation. I believe it enough to have used one for about 8
years.

Lee

"Dan Bracuk" <bracuk@pathcom.com> wrote in message
news:nph5b21tm2grm0f9v7ode2cd3o51u17fva@4ax.com...
> "bullshark" <bullshark@gmail.com> pounded away at his keyboard
> resulting in:
> :First, a correctly weighted warm water diver can dump all air at the
> :bottom before ascent begins and fin to the surface. This will maximize
> :control over all-important ascent speed.
>
> Way too much work for those of us who dive for fun. Plus, being
> neutral gives me more control than being negative.

Depends on how negative you are.

Lee

"Dan Bracuk" <bracuk@pathcom.com> wrote in message
news:nph5b21tm2grm0f9v7ode2cd3o51u17fva@4ax.com...
> "bullshark" <bullshark@gmail.com> pounded away at his keyboard
> resulting in:
> :First, a correctly weighted warm water diver can dump all air at the
> :bottom before ascent begins and fin to the surface. This will maximize
> :control over all-important ascent speed.
>
> Way too much work for those of us who dive for fun. Plus, being
> neutral gives me more control than being negative.

Depends on how negative you are.

Lee