Differences between the Suunto D9 and Suunto Vytec DS ??? Suggestions?

I would like people who own or are considering to buy Suunto computers
to be aware of the following:

I don't trust Suunto on their computers. First they have known
problems: http://www.suuntoservice.com/safetynotice/diving/
and second they have known problems they don't speak of such as a
freezing problem of their Cobra computers. I know because mine, S/N
527334 froze at 85ft on me. no buttons worked and even when I
removed it from the regulator, it still showed the pressure of over
2500PSI. I returned it to my dive shop who informed me they had at
least one more returned for the same reason. It's been at the shop
months now and I finally found out because I didn't provide my sales
receipt, they didn't do a thing. Despite the fact that by the S/N
they know it's less than a year old plus the unsafe condition of the
device, you'd think they would have done something. Additionally
there is nothing on their website about this problem. Of course no
one asked me about my safety either so apparently Suunto isn't
concerned with your safety or the safety of their dive computers nor
are they willing to share their safety issues online. I would never
even consider buying another Suunto dive computer. Suunto used to
make great oil filled compasses but my suggestion is not to trust them
with your safety using their dive computers. I have two Oceanic
dive computers also, one VEO 250 and one PRO and have never had a
problem with them.
--Norman

On 23 Jul 2006 09:46:24 -0700, "Giovanni B." <giovannibertani@mac.com>
wrote:

>Hi
>I am looking to these two diving computers to replace my old Aladdin
>with something more advanced and able to manage in a better way
>decompression stops and different gas mixes.
>
>As diving guide, I need a computer simple to use but able to give you
>full decompression information in the case of more technical dives.
>
>The only difference I can see between the D9 and Vytec DS, is the
>presence of a digital compass on the first. The compact design of D9 is
>not really a feature interesting enough to be the reason of choosing
>it...
>
>Which one you suggest between the two?
>
>Thanks
>
>Giovanni B.

I would like people who own or are considering to buy Suunto computers
to be aware of the following:

I don't trust Suunto on their computers. First they have known
problems: http://www.suuntoservice.com/safetynotice/diving/
and second they have known problems they don't speak of such as a
freezing problem of their Cobra computers. I know because mine, S/N
527334 froze at 85ft on me. no buttons worked and even when I
removed it from the regulator, it still showed the pressure of over
2500PSI. I returned it to my dive shop who informed me they had at
least one more returned for the same reason. It's been at the shop
months now and I finally found out because I didn't provide my sales
receipt, they didn't do a thing. Despite the fact that by the S/N
they know it's less than a year old plus the unsafe condition of the
device, you'd think they would have done something. Additionally
there is nothing on their website about this problem. Of course no
one asked me about my safety either so apparently Suunto isn't
concerned with your safety or the safety of their dive computers nor
are they willing to share their safety issues online. I would never
even consider buying another Suunto dive computer. Suunto used to
make great oil filled compasses but my suggestion is not to trust them
with your safety using their dive computers. I have two Oceanic
dive computers also, one VEO 250 and one PRO and have never had a
problem with them.
--Norman

On 23 Jul 2006 09:46:24 -0700, "Giovanni B." <giovannibertani@mac.com>
wrote:

>Hi
>I am looking to these two diving computers to replace my old Aladdin
>with something more advanced and able to manage in a better way
>decompression stops and different gas mixes.
>
>As diving guide, I need a computer simple to use but able to give you
>full decompression information in the case of more technical dives.
>
>The only difference I can see between the D9 and Vytec DS, is the
>presence of a digital compass on the first. The compact design of D9 is
>not really a feature interesting enough to be the reason of choosing
>it...
>
>Which one you suggest between the two?
>
>Thanks
>
>Giovanni B.

I would like people who own or are considering to buy Suunto computers
to be aware of the following:

I don't trust Suunto on their computers. First they have known
problems: http://www.suuntoservice.com/safetynotice/diving/
and second they have known problems they don't speak of such as a
freezing problem of their Cobra computers. I know because mine, S/N
527334 froze at 85ft on me. no buttons worked and even when I
removed it from the regulator, it still showed the pressure of over
2500PSI. I returned it to my dive shop who informed me they had at
least one more returned for the same reason. It's been at the shop
months now and I finally found out because I didn't provide my sales
receipt, they didn't do a thing. Despite the fact that by the S/N
they know it's less than a year old plus the unsafe condition of the
device, you'd think they would have done something. Additionally
there is nothing on their website about this problem. Of course no
one asked me about my safety either so apparently Suunto isn't
concerned with your safety or the safety of their dive computers nor
are they willing to share their safety issues online. I would never
even consider buying another Suunto dive computer. Suunto used to
make great oil filled compasses but my suggestion is not to trust them
with your safety using their dive computers. I have two Oceanic
dive computers also, one VEO 250 and one PRO and have never had a
problem with them.
--Norman

On 23 Jul 2006 09:46:24 -0700, "Giovanni B." <giovannibertani@mac.com>
wrote:

>Hi
>I am looking to these two diving computers to replace my old Aladdin
>with something more advanced and able to manage in a better way
>decompression stops and different gas mixes.
>
>As diving guide, I need a computer simple to use but able to give you
>full decompression information in the case of more technical dives.
>
>The only difference I can see between the D9 and Vytec DS, is the
>presence of a digital compass on the first. The compact design of D9 is
>not really a feature interesting enough to be the reason of choosing
>it...
>
>Which one you suggest between the two?
>
>Thanks
>
>Giovanni B.

norman@nha.com wrote:
> I would like people who own or are considering to buy Suunto computers
> to be aware of the following:
>
> I don't trust Suunto on their computers. First they have known
> problems: http://www.suuntoservice.com/safetynotice/diving/
> and second they have known problems they don't speak of such as a
> freezing problem of their Cobra computers.

Its not a Suunto problem, its gear in general: failures happen. Just
about every manufacturer had a recall of some sort at one point or
another, some examples (including computers):
Oceanic Versa:
http://www.divernet.com/cgi-bin/arti...action=display
Uwatec:
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml03/03163.html
Halcyon:
http://www.halcyon.net/recall/index.shtml
Mares:
http://www.halcyon.net/recall/index.shtml

And so on. Incidentally, a number of regulators have also been
recalled, and that seems like a much more important piece of kit
underwater. If you don't trust Suunto's computers, don't use them.
They are still very popular, and certainly a good investment for
recreational diving. As a qualified diver, you should easily be able to
complete a dive even if your computer freezes on you.

I use Vyper, Mosquito and a Gekko for a number of years without any
major difficulties.

/m

norman@nha.com wrote:
> I would like people who own or are considering to buy Suunto computers
> to be aware of the following:
>
> I don't trust Suunto on their computers. First they have known
> problems: http://www.suuntoservice.com/safetynotice/diving/
> and second they have known problems they don't speak of such as a
> freezing problem of their Cobra computers.

Its not a Suunto problem, its gear in general: failures happen. Just
about every manufacturer had a recall of some sort at one point or
another, some examples (including computers):
Oceanic Versa:
http://www.divernet.com/cgi-bin/arti...action=display
Uwatec:
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml03/03163.html
Halcyon:
http://www.halcyon.net/recall/index.shtml
Mares:
http://www.halcyon.net/recall/index.shtml

And so on. Incidentally, a number of regulators have also been
recalled, and that seems like a much more important piece of kit
underwater. If you don't trust Suunto's computers, don't use them.
They are still very popular, and certainly a good investment for
recreational diving. As a qualified diver, you should easily be able to
complete a dive even if your computer freezes on you.

I use Vyper, Mosquito and a Gekko for a number of years without any
major difficulties.

/m

norman@nha.com wrote:
> I would like people who own or are considering to buy Suunto computers
> to be aware of the following:
>
> I don't trust Suunto on their computers. First they have known
> problems: http://www.suuntoservice.com/safetynotice/diving/
> and second they have known problems they don't speak of such as a
> freezing problem of their Cobra computers.

Its not a Suunto problem, its gear in general: failures happen. Just
about every manufacturer had a recall of some sort at one point or
another, some examples (including computers):
Oceanic Versa:
http://www.divernet.com/cgi-bin/arti...action=display
Uwatec:
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml03/03163.html
Halcyon:
http://www.halcyon.net/recall/index.shtml
Mares:
http://www.halcyon.net/recall/index.shtml

And so on. Incidentally, a number of regulators have also been
recalled, and that seems like a much more important piece of kit
underwater. If you don't trust Suunto's computers, don't use them.
They are still very popular, and certainly a good investment for
recreational diving. As a qualified diver, you should easily be able to
complete a dive even if your computer freezes on you.

I use Vyper, Mosquito and a Gekko for a number of years without any
major difficulties.

/m

Marcin Dobrucki wrote:
> Halcyon:
> http://www.halcyon.net/recall/index.shtml
> Mares:
> http://www.halcyon.net/recall/index.shtml

Oops, copy&paste problem, the second link should have been:
http://www.cdnn.info/recall/mares_97...es_971015.html

Marcin Dobrucki wrote:
> Halcyon:
> http://www.halcyon.net/recall/index.shtml
> Mares:
> http://www.halcyon.net/recall/index.shtml

Oops, copy&paste problem, the second link should have been:
http://www.cdnn.info/recall/mares_97...es_971015.html

Marcin Dobrucki wrote:
> Halcyon:
> http://www.halcyon.net/recall/index.shtml
> Mares:
> http://www.halcyon.net/recall/index.shtml

Oops, copy&paste problem, the second link should have been:
http://www.cdnn.info/recall/mares_97...es_971015.html

Hi
I am looking to these two diving computers to replace my old Aladdin
with something more advanced and able to manage in a better way
decompression stops and different gas mixes.

As diving guide, I need a computer simple to use but able to give you
full decompression information in the case of more technical dives.

The only difference I can see between the D9 and Vytec DS, is the
presence of a digital compass on the first. The compact design of D9 is
not really a feature interesting enough to be the reason of choosing
it...

Which one you suggest between the two?

Thanks

Giovanni B.