Re: Dear John:

"Lachlan - Grand Exalted Most High King and Emperor of All the Universe"
<toadfish@(nospam)beeb.net> wrote
>> Better just to let him die. Every cause has a whack-job, and he's the
>> poster child whack job for gun people.
> Was Lott the guy who's wife turned into salt or somethin?

Same general principle- similar name.
in this case, his conclusions were turned instead of his old lady.
What Lott's detractors fail to understand is that his findings could be
changed by a factor of ten and still be overwhelming evidence of the
failures of gun control and the benefits of firearms proficiency.

Chas

In article <ivqdnQVi86yofSfeRVn-oA@comcast.com>,
"Chas" <chasclements@comcast.net> wrote:

> What Lott's detractors fail to understand is that his findings could be
> changed by a factor of ten and still be overwhelming evidence of the
> failures of gun control and the benefits of firearms proficiency.

Which means nothing.

Intellectual honesty counts.

The higher the emotional content, the more it counts.

Give it up, and you might as well move to California.

--
"A bunch of us went down to Gettysburg.
Some of us didn't come back.
If you weren't there, you'll never understand." --Unknown Infantryman

> > in this case, his conclusions were turned instead of his old lady.
> > What Lott's detractors fail to understand is that his findings could be
> > changed by a factor of ten and still be overwhelming evidence of the
> > failures of gun control and the benefits of firearms proficiency.

> Absolutely.

> So there was 350,000 defensive firearms actions last year instead
> of the 700,000 he claims.
> Or 50,000.
> And any of his numbers are as accurate as anyone else's.
> According to HCI, all the children in America are dead.

They are talkin'bout out-lawing swimming pools in Tucson AZ.
Not because they kill more kids than guns, but because of the
water situation. Got to have enough to water the golf courses.

Our fellow 'mercians at work, runnin' the gover'ment.

Alvin in AZ
ps- my doctor made me quit watching C-Span :/

> > in this case, his conclusions were turned instead of his old lady.
> > What Lott's detractors fail to understand is that his findings could be
> > changed by a factor of ten and still be overwhelming evidence of the
> > failures of gun control and the benefits of firearms proficiency.

> Absolutely.

> So there was 350,000 defensive firearms actions last year instead
> of the 700,000 he claims.
> Or 50,000.
> And any of his numbers are as accurate as anyone else's.
> According to HCI, all the children in America are dead.

They are talkin'bout out-lawing swimming pools in Tucson AZ.
Not because they kill more kids than guns, but because of the
water situation. Got to have enough to water the golf courses.

Our fellow 'mercians at work, runnin' the gover'ment.

Alvin in AZ
ps- my doctor made me quit watching C-Span :/

alvinj@XX.com wrote in news:dpfsrd$sut$2@reader2.panix.com:

>> > in this case, his conclusions were turned instead of his old lady.
>> > What Lott's detractors fail to understand is that his findings
>> > could be changed by a factor of ten and still be overwhelming
>> > evidence of the failures of gun control and the benefits of
>> > firearms proficiency.
>
>> Absolutely.
>
>> So there was 350,000 defensive firearms actions last year instead
>> of the 700,000 he claims.
>> Or 50,000.
>> And any of his numbers are as accurate as anyone else's.
>> According to HCI, all the children in America are dead.
>
> They are talkin'bout out-lawing swimming pools in Tucson AZ.

Oh?? When did you see that.....

> Not because they kill more kids than guns, but because of the
> water situation. Got to have enough to water the golf courses.

More and more of the golf courses there are using treated effluent.

> Our fellow 'mercians at work, runnin' the gover'ment.
>
> Alvin in AZ
> ps- my doctor made me quit watching C-Span :/

I'd get another doctor......


--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman

School - Four walls with tomorrow inside.

A real man should have the conviction to hold strong beliefs....
Hmmm, I believe I should have another beer.

alvinj@XX.com wrote in news:dpfsrd$sut$2@reader2.panix.com:

>> > in this case, his conclusions were turned instead of his old lady.
>> > What Lott's detractors fail to understand is that his findings
>> > could be changed by a factor of ten and still be overwhelming
>> > evidence of the failures of gun control and the benefits of
>> > firearms proficiency.
>
>> Absolutely.
>
>> So there was 350,000 defensive firearms actions last year instead
>> of the 700,000 he claims.
>> Or 50,000.
>> And any of his numbers are as accurate as anyone else's.
>> According to HCI, all the children in America are dead.
>
> They are talkin'bout out-lawing swimming pools in Tucson AZ.

Oh?? When did you see that.....

> Not because they kill more kids than guns, but because of the
> water situation. Got to have enough to water the golf courses.

More and more of the golf courses there are using treated effluent.

> Our fellow 'mercians at work, runnin' the gover'ment.
>
> Alvin in AZ
> ps- my doctor made me quit watching C-Span :/

I'd get another doctor......


--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman

School - Four walls with tomorrow inside.

A real man should have the conviction to hold strong beliefs....
Hmmm, I believe I should have another beer.

> > They are talkin'bout out-lawing swimming pools in Tucson AZ.
> Oh?? When did you see that.....

I don't watch the news anymore, my step-father told me about it.
(we see things the same way, libertarians)

> > Not because they kill more kids than guns, but because of the
> > water situation. Got to have enough to water the golf courses.
> More and more of the golf courses there are using treated effluent.

Yeah and that water could be treated instead.

I'm not against (private) golf courses.

I'm against people not knowing swimming pools are more dangerous
to children than guns, yet they want to ban guns because they are
dangerous to children.

> > Our fellow 'mercians at work, runnin' the gover'ment.
> > Alvin in AZ
> > ps- my doctor made me quit watching C-Span :/

> I'd get another doctor......

He saved my life with that advise. :)
Brian Lamb's C-Span :) was driving me crazy and raising my blood
pressure. :/

> Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
> School - Four walls with tomorrow inside.

Inside a public school are new bureaucrats being made...
what sort of future is that?

The USSR was a country where everyone was a bureaucrat.
How'd that turn out? ;)

> A real man should have the conviction to hold strong beliefs....
> Hmmm, I believe I should have another beer.

Go for it if you want, but leave me out of it. ;)
Non-smoker, non-illegal drug taker and for the most part a
non-drinker... I sure am boring huh? :/

Alvin in AZ

> > They are talkin'bout out-lawing swimming pools in Tucson AZ.
> Oh?? When did you see that.....

I don't watch the news anymore, my step-father told me about it.
(we see things the same way, libertarians)

> > Not because they kill more kids than guns, but because of the
> > water situation. Got to have enough to water the golf courses.
> More and more of the golf courses there are using treated effluent.

Yeah and that water could be treated instead.

I'm not against (private) golf courses.

I'm against people not knowing swimming pools are more dangerous
to children than guns, yet they want to ban guns because they are
dangerous to children.

> > Our fellow 'mercians at work, runnin' the gover'ment.
> > Alvin in AZ
> > ps- my doctor made me quit watching C-Span :/

> I'd get another doctor......

He saved my life with that advise. :)
Brian Lamb's C-Span :) was driving me crazy and raising my blood
pressure. :/

> Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
> School - Four walls with tomorrow inside.

Inside a public school are new bureaucrats being made...
what sort of future is that?

The USSR was a country where everyone was a bureaucrat.
How'd that turn out? ;)

> A real man should have the conviction to hold strong beliefs....
> Hmmm, I believe I should have another beer.

Go for it if you want, but leave me out of it. ;)
Non-smoker, non-illegal drug taker and for the most part a
non-drinker... I sure am boring huh? :/

Alvin in AZ

alvinj@XX.com wrote in news:dph585$bkd$1@reader2.panix.com:

>> > They are talkin'bout out-lawing swimming pools in Tucson AZ.
>> Oh?? When did you see that.....
>
> I don't watch the news anymore, my step-father told me about it.
> (we see things the same way, libertarians)

Just curious since I live in that area and had not heard anything like
that.

>> > Not because they kill more kids than guns, but because of the
>> > water situation. Got to have enough to water the golf courses.
>> More and more of the golf courses there are using treated effluent.
>
> Yeah and that water could be treated instead.

It is partially. At least the bigger chunks are taken out. ;)

> I'm not against (private) golf courses.

Nor am I. I think it is a good capitalistic enterprize.

> I'm against people not knowing swimming pools are more dangerous
> to children than guns, yet they want to ban guns because they are
> dangerous to children.

There are a lot of ignorant folks out there who simply deal with issues
emotionally not factually.

>> > Our fellow 'mercians at work, runnin' the gover'ment.
>> > Alvin in AZ
>> > ps- my doctor made me quit watching C-Span :/
>
>> I'd get another doctor......
>
> He saved my life with that advise. :)
> Brian Lamb's C-Span :) was driving me crazy and raising my blood
> pressure. :/

Did he give you any advice on how to handle stress or did he just tell
you to stop watching C-SPAN?

>> Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
>> School - Four walls with tomorrow inside.
>
> Inside a public school are new bureaucrats being made...
> what sort of future is that?

Two points:

1. Public schools have turned out some amazing people as have private
ones.

2. Just where did I say "public" in that definition above.


> The USSR was a country where everyone was a bureaucrat.
> How'd that turn out? ;)

I think you need to check some facts. Most of the USSR was peasants not
burueacrats.

>> A real man should have the conviction to hold strong beliefs....
>> Hmmm, I believe I should have another beer.
>
> Go for it if you want, but leave me out of it. ;)

OK......

> Non-smoker, non-illegal drug taker and for the most part a
> non-drinker...

I quit smoking almost thirty years ago, don't use illegal drugs, although
I am for the legalization of MJ and don't drink much although I do enjoy
wine at night and the occasional beer.

> I sure am boring huh? :/

No more so than most of us.



--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman

School - Four walls with tomorrow inside.

A real man should have the conviction to hold strong beliefs....
Hmmm, I believe I should have another beer.

alvinj@XX.com wrote in news:dph585$bkd$1@reader2.panix.com:

>> > They are talkin'bout out-lawing swimming pools in Tucson AZ.
>> Oh?? When did you see that.....
>
> I don't watch the news anymore, my step-father told me about it.
> (we see things the same way, libertarians)

Just curious since I live in that area and had not heard anything like
that.

>> > Not because they kill more kids than guns, but because of the
>> > water situation. Got to have enough to water the golf courses.
>> More and more of the golf courses there are using treated effluent.
>
> Yeah and that water could be treated instead.

It is partially. At least the bigger chunks are taken out. ;)

> I'm not against (private) golf courses.

Nor am I. I think it is a good capitalistic enterprize.

> I'm against people not knowing swimming pools are more dangerous
> to children than guns, yet they want to ban guns because they are
> dangerous to children.

There are a lot of ignorant folks out there who simply deal with issues
emotionally not factually.

>> > Our fellow 'mercians at work, runnin' the gover'ment.
>> > Alvin in AZ
>> > ps- my doctor made me quit watching C-Span :/
>
>> I'd get another doctor......
>
> He saved my life with that advise. :)
> Brian Lamb's C-Span :) was driving me crazy and raising my blood
> pressure. :/

Did he give you any advice on how to handle stress or did he just tell
you to stop watching C-SPAN?

>> Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
>> School - Four walls with tomorrow inside.
>
> Inside a public school are new bureaucrats being made...
> what sort of future is that?

Two points:

1. Public schools have turned out some amazing people as have private
ones.

2. Just where did I say "public" in that definition above.


> The USSR was a country where everyone was a bureaucrat.
> How'd that turn out? ;)

I think you need to check some facts. Most of the USSR was peasants not
burueacrats.

>> A real man should have the conviction to hold strong beliefs....
>> Hmmm, I believe I should have another beer.
>
> Go for it if you want, but leave me out of it. ;)

OK......

> Non-smoker, non-illegal drug taker and for the most part a
> non-drinker...

I quit smoking almost thirty years ago, don't use illegal drugs, although
I am for the legalization of MJ and don't drink much although I do enjoy
wine at night and the occasional beer.

> I sure am boring huh? :/

No more so than most of us.



--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman

School - Four walls with tomorrow inside.

A real man should have the conviction to hold strong beliefs....
Hmmm, I believe I should have another beer.