No, I'm not in Iraq.

"Anonymous" <none@nothing.com> wrote in message
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> "Karl Rove" <Ilooklikeporkypig@whitehouse.gov> wrote in message
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>
>> So what is *our* money doing in Iraq, in the first place?
>
> Freeing oppressed people.
>
> Or don't you read?
>


Oh, by sending them to heaven? ...

Michael Wolf wrote:
> Dillon Pyron <dmpyronINVALID@austin.rr.com> wrote in
> news:0qhlv0hvlg5urr3rqiiuk4f0m629ovtjdl@4ax.com:
>
> > Thus spake "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> :
> >
> >>
> >>Popeye wrote:
> >>> I have to get my CDL (done) DOT (done) Passport (on the way) and
a
> >>> complete history of my criminal record, which means, like, 10
states
> >>> and 200 incidents. I don't know if that's even possible.
> >>
> >>Then we'd better do our lunch (in Hotlanda or Marietta) before
> >>I have to track you down with the built-in GSP gismo in our
> >>minivan that I've just discovered that it actually worked --
> >>after not having bothered to find out HOW it workded for a
> >>year since we bought the van.
> >>
> >>The GSP not only tracks the destination (updating the highway map
> >>periodically), but it starts TALKING when we get close to the
> >>destination. But the most amazing part was ... this happened
> >>yesterday when we found the restaurant we were looking for and
> >>did not complete the last 30 yards or so, but took a turn to the
> >>shopping center (knowlingly), the damned thing said almost
> >>immediately, "you should take a U-turn as soon as you can ...".
> >>I thought that was pretty clever of the navigating software!
> >>
> >>-- Bob.
> >
> > Yeah, the Never Lost in my rented Hertz told me "you are 300 feet
from
> > your destination, you are 200 feet from your destination, you are
100
> > feet from your destination, you are at your destination" and damned
if
> > the restaurant wasn't right there. Then I drove past to get a
parking
> > spot. "you have past your destination, your are 100 feet past your
> > destination ..."
> >
>
> Actually it's the quality of the digital map that does the trick.
>
> --
> Michael Wolf

It's a little more than just the quality of the digital map. A bit
or "artificial intelligence" had to have been programmed into the
"talker" as to what to tell the driver.

In Dillon's case, it told him "you have past your destination,
your are 100 feet pa*st your destination ..." when Dillon went
on to the partking lot.

In my case,

RF> <I> did not complete the last 30 yards or so, but took a
RF> turn to* the shopping center (knowlingly), the damned
RF> thing said almost immediately, "you should take a U-turn
RF> as soon as you can ..*.".

The "artificial intelligence" in the software first detected
that I had gone the wrong direction. There are many different
ways of recovery, but it came to the "U turn" recommendation,
because I could see, given all the possible ways of getting
back on track so to speak, the "U turn" back to where I
turned was indeedd the best way to go, if I had indeed wanted
to go to the restaurant immediately.


I did take a U-turn, at the 4-way-stop intersection only a
few feet away, just to see what happens next. ))

This was what happened. We got back to the place at which
I took a 90-degree turn; so in order to continue on course,
I would have had to take another 90-degree turn to the right
again.

Alas, there was a NO RIGHT TURN sign at that intersection!
And the "navigator talker" quit talking.

So, I took a right turn anyway, and continued on ...

So this thought came to mind. What if one followed the
instruction of the "navigator", and made a traffic violation
(such as making a U turn when it wasn't supposed to) and
was caught and cited by a traffic police? Would the
excuse hold up in cocurt, "But I was told by the computer
to take a U turn."
Anyone had that or a similar experience?

-- Bob.

Dillon Pyron <dmpyronINVALID@austin.rr.com> wrote in
news:0qhlv0hvlg5urr3rqiiuk4f0m629ovtjdl@4ax.com:

> Thus spake "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> :
>
>>
>>Popeye wrote:
>>> I have to get my CDL (done) DOT (done) Passport (on the way) and a
>>> complete history of my criminal record, which means, like, 10 states
>>> and 200 incidents. I don't know if that's even possible.
>>
>>Then we'd better do our lunch (in Hotlanda or Marietta) before
>>I have to track you down with the built-in GSP gismo in our
>>minivan that I've just discovered that it actually worked --
>>after not having bothered to find out HOW it workded for a
>>year since we bought the van.
>>
>>The GSP not only tracks the destination (updating the highway map
>>periodically), but it starts TALKING when we get close to the
>>destination. But the most amazing part was ... this happened
>>yesterday when we found the restaurant we were looking for and
>>did not complete the last 30 yards or so, but took a turn to the
>>shopping center (knowlingly), the damned thing said almost
>>immediately, "you should take a U-turn as soon as you can ...".
>>I thought that was pretty clever of the navigating software!
>>
>>-- Bob.
>
> Yeah, the Never Lost in my rented Hertz told me "you are 300 feet from
> your destination, you are 200 feet from your destination, you are 100
> feet from your destination, you are at your destination" and damned if
> the restaurant wasn't right there. Then I drove past to get a parking
> spot. "you have past your destination, your are 100 feet past your
> destination ..."
>

Actually it's the quality of the digital map that does the trick.

--
Michael Wolf
------------

Cthulhu for President! Why settle for the lesser evil?

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Reef Fish wrote:


>
>
> It's a little more than just the quality of the digital map. A bit
> or "artificial intelligence" had to have been programmed into the
> "talker" as to what to tell the driver.
>
> In Dillon's case, it told him "you have past your destination,
> your are 100 feet pa*st your destination ..." when Dillon went
> on to the partking lot.
>
> In my case,
>
> RF> <I> did not complete the last 30 yards or so, but took a
> RF> turn to* the shopping center (knowlingly), the damned
> RF> thing said almost immediately, "you should take a U-turn
> RF> as soon as you can ..*.".
>
> The "artificial intelligence" in the software first detected
> that I had gone the wrong direction. There are many different
> ways of recovery, but it came to the "U turn" recommendation,
> because I could see, given all the possible ways of getting
> back on track so to speak, the "U turn" back to where I
> turned was indeedd the best way to go, if I had indeed wanted
> to go to the restaurant immediately.
>
>
> I did take a U-turn, at the 4-way-stop intersection only a
> few feet away, just to see what happens next. ))
>
> This was what happened. We got back to the place at which
> I took a 90-degree turn; so in order to continue on course,
> I would have had to take another 90-degree turn to the right
> again.
>
> Alas, there was a NO RIGHT TURN sign at that intersection!
> And the "navigator talker" quit talking.
>
> So, I took a right turn anyway, and continued on ...
>
> So this thought came to mind. What if one followed the
> instruction of the "navigator", and made a traffic violation
> (such as making a U turn when it wasn't supposed to) and
> was caught and cited by a traffic police? Would the
> excuse hold up in cocurt, "But I was told by the computer
> to take a U turn."
> Anyone had that or a similar experience?
>
> -- Bob.
>

Bob,
Sure, there may be a little "artificial intelligence" in these
navigation systems, but it is based soley on the cartography that is
programmed into the system.

I use a Garmin Quest and the latest version of Mapsource.

Last weekend, a couple of us went to Ginnie Springs and Blue Grotto and
the GPS took us right there. When we got close, the GPS did not
recognize the dirt road we were on that lead to Ginnie Springs and it
announced we were "off route". Obviously we ignored it since we had the
Dive Shop in sight.

As roads and the locations of highways change, these systems will
obviously need to be updated, with new highways, re-routed highways, etc.

As for your question about the computer telling you to make a u-turn,
even though it was illegal, I doubt seriously if that would hold up in a
court of law. The judge would simply assert that the driver is the one
in control of the vehicle. Although, I will admit, that would certianly
be a unique defense.



--
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying that I
approved of it."
”- Mark Twain

"Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Anyone had that or a similar experience?

The "Neverlost" GPS supplied with Hertz rentals suggests to take "the next
legal U-turn", so they've thought of that. I don't recall if my own unit
does that since I rarely use it and I've turned off the "suggest U-turns"
option.

Greg Mossman wrote:
> "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1107102932.361209.273130@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
>
> > Anyone had that or a similar experience?
>
> The "Neverlost" GPS supplied with Hertz rentals suggests to take "the
next
> legal U-turn", so they've thought of that. I don't recall if my own
unit
> does that since I rarely use it and I've turned off the "suggest
U-turns"
> option.

Didn't realize there was such an option. Of course, we haven't
finished RTFM either, even though we read the part that said we
should read the manual thoroughly before using it.

I think the "suggest U-turns" would be a nice option NOT to suppress.
One can always over-ride the suggestion by using the computer between
the ears.

Sort of like the KILL_FILE. I NEVER use it. Even YOU (Greg)
have useful things to say once in a while.

-- Bob.

Greg Mossman wrote:
> "Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message
> news:41fd2d0f$0$105$6c56adcd@news.qnet.com...
> > "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1107102932.361209.273130@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> >> Anyone had that or a similar experience?
> >
> > The "Neverlost" GPS supplied with Hertz rentals suggests to take
"the next
> > legal U-turn", so they've thought of that. I don't recall if my
own unit
> > does that since I rarely use it and I've turned off the "suggest
U-turns"
> > option.
>
> My problem with the Hertz system is that it doesn't offer a "cheapest
route"
> option.

Or the shortest route option, I think.

> Last time I was in So Cal, the dang thing kept making me take toll
> roads to get to where I needed to go. I really resent paying $3 to
drive 10
> miles. I can't help wonder if the DOT ain't in on it.

When we drove to Fort Lauderdale (from Choo Choo), the FREE I-75, I-95
route would have taken about 800 miles. The Mapquest or other routing
would take it through the FL turnpike via Orlando/DIsney, adding about
$10 to $12 between the I-75 and I-95 stretch, saving about 50 miles.

We took the PAY on the last trip route because it took us less
than 12 hours to drive averaging only about 10 miles above speed
limit. When I drove the FREE route, on THREE consecutive
occasions, I also made is in less than 12 hours, including all
stops <even the ticketing stop>. I got a speeding ticket clocked
over 90 mph each time, and the latest one cost me $687!

I learned from the County Clerk (that the GA speeding fine can
be up to $1,000). If I had known that, I could have driven at
$120 mph, paying very little extra in fine. <g>

-- Bob.

"nitespark" <nitespark@cox.net> wrote in message
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> As for your question about the computer telling you to make a u-turn, even
> though it was illegal, I doubt seriously if that would hold up in a court
> of law. The judge would simply assert that the driver is the one in
> control of the vehicle. Although, I will admit, that would certianly be a
> unique defense.

No different than listening to a passenger's directions. The driver is
still in charge.

That reminds me of the time (back when I was a teen) when I was sitting
shotgun in a friend's car (AMC Gremlin!) and he asked me if it was clear to
get over. Without looking up from whatever I was doing, I said "sure".
Crunch.

For some reason my friend blamed me. I thought I did him a favor by helping
him total the Gremlin.

"Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> Last time I was in So Cal, the dang thing kept making me take toll
>> roads to get to where I needed to go. I really resent paying $3 to
> drive 10
>> miles. I can't help wonder if the DOT ain't in on it.

That is odd. The toll roads in SoCal don't really go anywhere and I never
use them although I do have a Fastrack toll device. The only one that gets
used by me is the stretch of I-15 north of San Diego. I did use one of the
Orange County roads to get to Newport Beach for a Corona del Mar shore dive,
but the diving is really boring off CDM and the toll roads don't help you
get to the good stuff off Laguna Beach or even Redondo or Palos Verdes.

Why did you need to go to nowhere?

Greg Mossman wrote:
> "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1107113637.004969.76520@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>
> >> Last time I was in So Cal, the dang thing kept making me take toll
> >> roads to get to where I needed to go. I really resent paying $3
to
> > drive 10
> >> miles. I can't help wonder if the DOT ain't in on it.
>
> That is odd. The toll roads in SoCal don't really go anywhere and I
never
> use them although I do have a Fastrack toll device.

Very interesting!!!!

I had already said that Greg misattributed the statement to me,
and thought perhaps Jason said it. Actually GREG MOSSMAN said
it himself (this morning)!!

You posted so much crap lately, Greg, that you didn't even remember
what you posted YOURSELF this morning:


http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...71cb0aee6d8f18


Jan 30, 11:19 am
==================== Quote Greg Mossman ===================
My problem with the Hertz system is that it doesn't offer a *"cheapest
route"
option. Last time I was in So Cal, the dang thing kept maki*ng me
take toll
roads to get to where I needed to go. I really resent payin*g $3 to
drive 10
miles. I can't help wonder if the DOT ain't in on it.
==================== End Quote GregMossman ===============


Greg, what did you say you thought your IQ was?

Couldn't remember what yourself said 30 minutes prior -- and that's
pretty bad for short-term memory, one of the items often tested
in IQ tests.

Greg now says, Jan 30, 11:49 am , 30 MINUTES later,

> The only one that gets
> used by me is the stretch of I-15 north of San Diego. I did use one
of the
> Orange County roads to get to Newport Beach for a Corona del Mar
shore dive,
> but the diving is really boring off CDM and the toll roads don't help
you
> get to the good stuff off Laguna Beach or even Redondo or Palos
Verdes.
>
> Why did you need to go to nowhere?


Greg Mossman flames Greg Mossman.
That's a new one for the books. ROTFLMAO

-- Bob.