No, I'm not in Iraq.

Thus spake "Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> :

>"nitespark" <nitespark@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:wJ9Ld.5299$1X.274@lakeread07...
>
>> As for your question about the computer telling you to make a u-turn, even
>> though it was illegal, I doubt seriously if that would hold up in a court
>> of law. The judge would simply assert that the driver is the one in
>> control of the vehicle. Although, I will admit, that would certianly be a
>> unique defense.
>
>No different than listening to a passenger's directions. The driver is
>still in charge.
>
>That reminds me of the time (back when I was a teen) when I was sitting
>shotgun in a friend's car (AMC Gremlin!) and he asked me if it was clear to
>get over. Without looking up from whatever I was doing, I said "sure".
>Crunch.
>
>For some reason my friend blamed me. I thought I did him a favor by helping
>him total the Gremlin.

Have you looked at the sale price for intact Gremlins these days?
Either one of them.

>
>

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be far wrong." - Adm. Bobbie Ray Inman

In article <41fd2d0f$0$105$6c56adcd@news.qnet.com>, Greg Mossman
<mossman@qnet.com> wrote:

€ "Reef Fish" <Large_Nassau_Grouper@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
€ news:1107102932.361209.273130@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
€
€ > Anyone had that or a similar experience?
€
€ The "Neverlost" GPS supplied with Hertz rentals suggests to take "the next
€ legal U-turn", so they've thought of that. I don't recall if my own unit
€ does that since I rarely use it and I've turned off the "suggest U-turns"
€ option.
€
€

Avis does the same thing. Their GPS (not GSP, Feesh) says, "make a safe
and legal U-turn..." That can be a little unnerving, because the laws
regarding U-turns can be different in different states.

nitespark <nitespark@cox.net> wrote in
news:YfeLd.5312$1X.4420@lakeread07:

>
>
> Michael Wolf wrote:
>
>
>>>>
>>>>Actually it works with a routing algorithm, that makes a constant
>>>>comparison between the route it has calculated and the route you're
>>>>on. As soon as you leave the pre-calculated route, it calculates a
>>>>new one for you. But it's the up-to-dateness and accuracy of the map
>>>>that does it.
>>>
>>>Thats the bottom line. If the map is old or inaccurate, the GPS will
>>>be constantly recalculating. My units have an option of
>>>recalculating a route automatically, recalculating on prompt, or
>>>doing nothing.
>>
>>
>> Most of the time it won't be constantly recalculating, but simply
>> give you instructions that aren't really in line with reality.
>
> On my units, it depends on how you have instructed to react in an "off
> route" situation.
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>>OK, to be honest: the map can be inaccurate, but the system
>>>>compensates for this through mapmatching (meaning that it makes an
>>>>educated guess were you are, based on the path formed by the
>>>>sequential GPS measurements, your speed, the compas and the 'shape'
>>>>of the roads).
>>>
>>>While my GPS V does a good job, I have notice a significant
>>>improvement with the Quest. The processor for the Quest is quite a
>>>bit faster. For the GPS V to process a route of say, 600 miles, it
>>>may take 10 minutes.
>>> The Quest will do it in 2-3 minutes. Also, the Quest as about 100
>>> mb
>>>of mapping storage more than the GPS V.
>>
>>
>> You should try once one of the build in navsystems. They calculate
>> routes of 1000's of kms in less than a minute. Data is stored on a
>> DVD and the roads in the immediate vicinity are stored in the memory
>> (with a constant update). Route re-calculations are done almost
>> instantly.
>>
>> And then there's them nice touch screens, that for instance the new
>> Pioneer has...
>
> Garmin has some new units that are touch screen. Some feature a
> remote control (like we need another remote control to keep up with,
> especially in the car). My wife and I are thinking about a trip out
> west and when I rent a car, I may ask for one with one of the built in
> nav systems, just to see how it works.

Try it if you have the chance. Those systems are quite different from the
portable ones. If they're not with a touch screen, then they have a remote
control (there's no other way to operate them). But it's especially the
difference in speed that's striking. That and the CD or DVD data storage
(which allows for the addition of POIs with editorial info).

The hottest thing around are the new ones with hard disk and wireless
updates. Most of them are only found back in Japan for the moment (if you
want state of the art systems you need to go there: 3D infotainment systems
with zillions of POIs, with wireless updates. One of the systems developed
for Toyota is connected to the transmission and goes in a lower gear when
approaching a sharp curve) and there's also a Blaupunkt pilot project in
Germany, where the system gets its' cartographic info from a central
server.

They're now also developing dual systems consisting of a build in system
and a kind of PDA, allowing you to go by car to a nearby parking and then
to continue on foot (if your destination is for instance in a pedestrian
zone).

One unit Garmin features has a
> built in hard drive. From what I hear(read) that thing REALLY sucks
> down batteries, but then again, it probably really wasn't designed for
> portable use. Touch screen is not a big seller to me, but I guess some
> folks like it.
> I like a good clear crisp screen that can be read as easily in
> bright
> sunlight as at night. The Quest unit has a neat feature that sends it
> into "night mode" after the sun sets. The background on the screen is
> turned black and streets, routes and features are darker colored
> making it less a distraction. Day mode has brighter colors on the
> screen.

That's standard feature with most of the high end build in systems: they're
simply connected to the switch of the headlights.

>
>>
>>
>
>>>>The map suppliers actaully make 4 updates a year, but most of the
>>>>system suppliers only offer 1 to 2 updates a year to the consumer.
>>>
>>>I know Garmin makes updates available to the consumer, but I don't
>>>know if this actually updates the cartography, or just some of the
>>>firmware of the individual unit.
>>
>>
>> Sometimes it updates both, but it'll certainly update the
>> cartography.
>
> I would have thought so, but never really looked at it between
> updates.
>>
>>



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Michael Wolf wrote:


>>Garmin has some new units that are touch screen. Some feature a
>>remote control (like we need another remote control to keep up with,
>>especially in the car). My wife and I are thinking about a trip out
>>west and when I rent a car, I may ask for one with one of the built in
>>nav systems, just to see how it works.
>
>
> Try it if you have the chance. Those systems are quite different from the
> portable ones. If they're not with a touch screen, then they have a remote
> control (there's no other way to operate them). But it's especially the
> difference in speed that's striking. That and the CD or DVD data storage
> (which allows for the addition of POIs with editorial info).

Big difference between whats on the market now and just a few years ago.
My first GPS unit was a big Sony. One of the first consumer map
displays sold. I hate to say what I paid for it back then and you only
got major highways at that, plus the monochrome screen would wash out
totally black in a hot car in the summertime.


>
> The hottest thing around are the new ones with hard disk and wireless
> updates. Most of them are only found back in Japan for the moment (if you
> want state of the art systems you need to go there: 3D infotainment systems
> with zillions of POIs, with wireless updates. One of the systems developed
> for Toyota is connected to the transmission and goes in a lower gear when
> approaching a sharp curve) and there's also a Blaupunkt pilot project in
> Germany, where the system gets its' cartographic info from a central
> server.

I am not certain I would like that feature. I think I would prefer more
control over the vehicle.



> One unit Garmin features has a
>
>>built in hard drive. From what I hear(read) that thing REALLY sucks
>>down batteries, but then again, it probably really wasn't designed for
>>portable use. Touch screen is not a big seller to me, but I guess some
>>folks like it.
>> I like a good clear crisp screen that can be read as easily in
>> bright
>>sunlight as at night. The Quest unit has a neat feature that sends it
>>into "night mode" after the sun sets. The background on the screen is
>>turned black and streets, routes and features are darker colored
>>making it less a distraction. Day mode has brighter colors on the
>>screen.
>
>
> That's standard feature with most of the high end build in systems: they're
> simply connected to the switch of the headlights.

My unit simply tracks local sunset and sunrise and keys in from there,
since the only connection to my vehicle is via the power connection. It
would seem wiring it in through the headlights would be a poor way to
go. If you were sitting in a parking lot waiting for someone with the
engine running but your lights out, a full daylight intensity screen
could become annoying.

In article <1106931299.842624.245340@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups .com>, "Popeye"
<Buzcutt454@aol.com> writes:

>a
>complete history of my criminal record, which means, like, 10 states
>and 200 incidents.

And your out and about instead of being in jail! Sheesh, and they allow you to
have guns?

"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message
news:41fd3a94$0$105$6c56adcd@news.qnet.com...
> "nitespark" <nitespark@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:wJ9Ld.5299$1X.274@lakeread07...
>
> > As for your question about the computer telling you to make a u-turn,
even
> > though it was illegal, I doubt seriously if that would hold up in a
court
> > of law. The judge would simply assert that the driver is the one in
> > control of the vehicle. Although, I will admit, that would certianly be
a
> > unique defense.
>
> No different than listening to a passenger's directions. The driver is
> still in charge.
>
> That reminds me of the time (back when I was a teen) when I was sitting
> shotgun in a friend's car (AMC Gremlin!) and he asked me if it was clear
to
> get over. Without looking up from whatever I was doing, I said "sure".
> Crunch.
>
> For some reason my friend blamed me. I thought I did him a favor by
helping
> him total the Gremlin.

So are you guys starting to get a clear picture as to why I might believe
that Greg never lies to me?

LOL

>
>
>

nitespark wrote:
>
>
> Michael Wolf wrote:
>
>
>>> Garmin has some new units that are touch screen. Some feature a
>>> remote control (like we need another remote control to keep up with,
>>> especially in the car). My wife and I are thinking about a trip out
>>> west and when I rent a car, I may ask for one with one of the built in
>>> nav systems, just to see how it works.
>>
>>
>>
>> Try it if you have the chance. Those systems are quite different from
>> the portable ones. If they're not with a touch screen, then they have
>> a remote control (there's no other way to operate them). But it's
>> especially the difference in speed that's striking. That and the CD or
>> DVD data storage (which allows for the addition of POIs with editorial
>> info).
>
>
> Big difference between whats on the market now and just a few years ago.
> My first GPS unit was a big Sony. One of the first consumer map
> displays sold. I hate to say what I paid for it back then and you only
> got major highways at that, plus the monochrome screen would wash out
> totally black in a hot car in the summertime.

The Japanese are about 4-5 years ahead of us when it comes to
navsystems, so there's still lots to come. And TMC is also still only in
its' infance stadium in the US.

>
>
>>
>> The hottest thing around are the new ones with hard disk and wireless
>> updates. Most of them are only found back in Japan for the moment (if
>> you want state of the art systems you need to go there: 3D
>> infotainment systems with zillions of POIs, with wireless updates. One
>> of the systems developed for Toyota is connected to the transmission
>> and goes in a lower gear when approaching a sharp curve) and there's
>> also a Blaupunkt pilot project in Germany, where the system gets its'
>> cartographic info from a central server.
>
>
> I am not certain I would like that feature. I think I would prefer more
> control over the vehicle.

Wait till you see the other goodies that are part of ADAS.


>
>
>
>> One unit Garmin features has a
>>
>>> built in hard drive. From what I hear(read) that thing REALLY sucks
>>> down batteries, but then again, it probably really wasn't designed for
>>> portable use. Touch screen is not a big seller to me, but I guess some
>>> folks like it. I like a good clear crisp screen that can be read as
>>> easily in
>>> bright sunlight as at night. The Quest unit has a neat feature that
>>> sends it
>>> into "night mode" after the sun sets. The background on the screen is
>>> turned black and streets, routes and features are darker colored
>>> making it less a distraction. Day mode has brighter colors on the
>>> screen.
>>
>>
>>
>> That's standard feature with most of the high end build in systems:
>> they're simply connected to the switch of the headlights.
>
>
> My unit simply tracks local sunset and sunrise and keys in from there,
> since the only connection to my vehicle is via the power connection. It
> would seem wiring it in through the headlights would be a poor way to
> go. If you were sitting in a parking lot waiting for someone with the
> engine running but your lights out, a full daylight intensity screen
> could become annoying.

You have the possibility of switching between only daylight, only night
or dual mode.


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"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message
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> The "Neverlost" GPS supplied with Hertz rentals suggests to take "the next
> legal U-turn", so they've thought of that. I don't recall if my own unit
> does that since I rarely use it and I've turned off the "suggest U-turns"
> option.

"When possible make a legal U-turn." My Magellan says the same thing. My
kids think that is one of the funniest things in the world! They can mimic
it exactly like the voice from the GPS too! (-;

Kimber
---
Is it enough to love? Is it enough to breath?
Somebody rip my heart out and leave me here to bleed.
Is it enough to die? Somebody save my life.
I'd rather be anything but ordinary please.

Kimber wrote:
> "Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message
> news:41fd2d0f$0$105$6c56adcd@news.qnet.com...
>
>
>>The "Neverlost" GPS supplied with Hertz rentals suggests to take "the next
>>legal U-turn", so they've thought of that. I don't recall if my own unit
>>does that since I rarely use it and I've turned off the "suggest U-turns"
>>option.
>
>
> "When possible make a legal U-turn." My Magellan says the same thing. My
> kids think that is one of the funniest things in the world! They can mimic
> it exactly like the voice from the GPS too! (-;
>
> Kimber
> ---
> Is it enough to love? Is it enough to breath?
> Somebody rip my heart out and leave me here to bleed.
> Is it enough to die? Somebody save my life.
> I'd rather be anything but ordinary please.
>
>

In Europe they only say 'If possible make a U-turn'. But my daughter's
rather good at mimicing that one too...

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"Alan Street" wrote ...
> Avis does the same thing. Their GPS (not GSP, Feesh) says, "make a safe
> and legal U-turn..." That can be a little unnerving, because the laws
> regarding U-turns can be different in different states.

My GPS just gives me a course / bearing and distance to the destination...
Works great... But then again, my LORAN works great also... I've used it to
go to back and forth between Houston and CA, WI, CO, and a lot of other
places... Hell, it matches my GPS to the 1/10th of a nm...