A few words from someone who has actually been to Iraq

"dazed and confuzzed" <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote in message
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> Guerilla warfare, that targets military, is ok by me.
> Deliberatly targeting civilians, makes you a terrorist.

So the atomic bombs were accidentally dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki,
killing over 100,000 "collateral damage" civilians?

We've already killed 100,000 Iraqis. Wouldn't it have been quicker and
whole lot cheaper to have simply nuked Baghdad? That would sure have taught
those terrorists a lesson.

Alan Street wrote:

> In article <4Heve.7$nW.2592@news.uswest.net>, Scott
> <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> € "Joe English" <jenglish@wisperhome.com> wrote in message
> € news:74498$42bd5d12$ce504822$23501@allthenewsgroup s.com...
> €
> € > Alan Street wrote:
> €
> € > > Gee, you're coming around. Nice to see it!
> €
> € <plonk>
> €
> € > Your application and assumptions that this country and our brave
> € > military acted us terrorists sickens me. Do you have any idea of the
> € > ramifications, and outcomes of the failure to end WWII would have had on
> € > your family, and the unlikely hood of your birth? Your freedoms that
> € > you know enjoy?
> €
> € He doesnt care, as long as he can paint America and Americans as evil, he
> € feels better, no matter how rediculous the statement.
> €
> € It's common with the self defined elitists that never served.
> €
>
> That would include Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Rice. Right?
>
> € Makes them feel better about their cowardice.
> €
> €
>
> Hmmm. At least Kerry has an honorable discharge. Can you say the same?
>
>
> As for the myth that dropping the two atomic bombs on Japan saved a
> million American lives, I'd have you read this:
>
> http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/General...h/article.html


At best, it is a somewhat subjective collection of quotes.
Unfortunately, the bomb was used, and it worked. The fact that the
Japanese failed to surrender when it was offered cost them nearly
200,000 lives.

The reality is that it only took one plane to do what had been done in
tokyo, that is, incinerate the city, than it took several hundred planes.

To second guess these men, 60 years later, with the benefit of hindsight
and with the real casualty figures (which they did not have when they
made their decision) is despicable.

Had they not used the bomb, but continued their "strangulation"
strategy, and continued to carpet bomb the cities in order to destroy
the industrial capacity of Japan, the end would have been similar.
Had they simply "strangled" the country, how many would have died from
hunger? (Strangely, the author doesn't take this issue into account, yet
he uses the argument that the starving Japanese citizens would not be
able to resist the allied invaders)

No one was sure that the Bomb would go off every time, and there was not
much material at that time to make more (more would be available, but
not for months. Discussions about inviting Japanese observers to watch
the first test at Alamogordo were dismissed, as no one was even sure
that it would work.... THe demonstration of the Bomb was accomplished in
a most horrifying manner, yet the alternatives all had inherent risk.



--
Your ridiculous little opinion has been noted.

My diesel truck has been modified to run on an environmentally friendly
mixture of clean burning Caribou fat and whale oil.

"Tolerance is the virtue of a man without convictions"
G.K. Chesterton

Greg Mossman wrote:

> "dazed and confuzzed" <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote in message
> news:Y4adnWqiQdoZASHfRVn-gQ@comcast.com...
>
>
>>Guerilla warfare, that targets military, is ok by me.
>>Deliberatly targeting civilians, makes you a terrorist.
>
>
> So the atomic bombs were accidentally dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki,
> killing over 100,000 "collateral damage" civilians?
>
> We've already killed 100,000 Iraqis. Wouldn't it have been quicker and
> whole lot cheaper to have simply nuked Baghdad? That would sure have taught
> those terrorists a lesson.
>
>
I have addressed this. Targeting civilians who make war material was ok.

They did it with standard incendiaries in Germany in WWII.

The Atomic Bomb is merely a more efficient method.

--
Your ridiculous little opinion has been noted.

My diesel truck has been modified to run on an environmentally friendly
mixture of clean burning Caribou fat and whale oil.

"Tolerance is the virtue of a man without convictions"
G.K. Chesterton

Greg Mossman wrote:

> "dazed and confuzzed" <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote in message
> news:Y4adnWqiQdoZASHfRVn-gQ@comcast.com...
>
>
>>Guerilla warfare, that targets military, is ok by me.
>>Deliberatly targeting civilians, makes you a terrorist.
>
>
> So the atomic bombs were accidentally dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki,
> killing over 100,000 "collateral damage" civilians?
>
> We've already killed 100,000 Iraqis. Wouldn't it have been quicker and
> whole lot cheaper to have simply nuked Baghdad? That would sure have taught
> those terrorists a lesson.
>
>
yes I Would have been for it.


I have never seen the 100,00 collateral damage civilians actually
proven. Many who were killed were not innocent. and we didn't blindly
target civilian only targets (like the WTC and the jets used to kill
innocent civilians)

"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message
news:11bqvs61f7bjc11@corp.supernews.com...
> "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:I61ve.1464$BA6.7209@news.uswest.net...
> > "Alan Street" <agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:240620051638574278%agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com ...
> >
> >> The point is that "terrorists" has become a catch-all term for "bad
> >> guys" because it stirs up such a visceral reaction. In Vietnam, it was
> >> "guerrillas" and "guerrilla warfare." Using civilians as a defining
> >> term is a little bit disingenuous, considering we aren't willing to
> >> call ourselves terrorists for dropping an atomic bomb on two cities.
> >
> > You have to stop talking shit like this.
>
> Why? Doesn't he have a first amendment right to express his opinion?
> That's the one before the Second Amendment. Funny how you conservatives
> never care about the other nine.

The First amendment clearly refers to Congress, just like the Second clearly
refers to "the people".


>
> It must hurt to know Alan is right. Maybe you should killfile him too so
> you don't accidentally learn any more truths. Blinders suit you well.
>
>

Dennis

"dazed and confuzzed" <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote in message
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> Actually, it was, because it was not an act of war perpetrated by
> uniformed MILITARY personnel

He knows the truths and the answers, he is just doing what he does best;

Shitting America and it service people.

Scott wrote:
> The War is Over, and We Won
>
> By Karl Zinsmeister
>
> What the establishment media covering Iraq have utterly failed to make clear
> today is this central reality: With the exception of periodic flare-ups in
> isolated corners, our struggle in Iraq as warfare is over. Egregious acts of
> terror will continue-in Iraq as in many other parts of the world. But there
> is now no chance whatever of the U.S. losing this critical guerilla war.
>
27 June 2005 US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has warned it may be
years before the insurgency in Iraq is defeated.

<den73740@aol.com> wrote in message
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> 27 June 2005 US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has warned it may be
> years before the insurgency in Iraq is defeated.

No shit, eh?

News to you?

A little refresher for you;

1946
January 7
Three American civilian officials killed when Nazi "Werewolf" terrorists
burn down their house in Passau, Germany.

September 30
One US soldier killed when ambushed by terrorists at Fort McKinley,
Philippines.

1948
March 7
Two American diplomats murdered by Viet Minh terrorists in Saigon,
Indochina.

April 9
A Bomb explodes near US embassy in Bogota, Colombia, during an Organisation
of American States conference.

May 8
American CBS correspondent George Polk murdered by three communists in
Salonika, Greece, after he was lured to a meeting on a
boat in the city's harbour. His body was dumped in the sea.

1950
November 1
Puerto Rican nationalists attack Blair House in Washington DC, United
States, in an unsuccessful attempt to assassinate US
president Harry S Truman. One Secret Service agent and one terrorist were
killed.

1954
March 1
Five US congressmen wounded when Puerto Rican nationalists opened fire in
the Capitol Building, Washington DC, United States.

1958
June 27
Thirty US Marines kidnapped by Communist guerillas on Cuba, near the US
naval base at Guantanamo Bay. All are eventually
released unharmed.

1961
May 1
First ever United States aircraft hijacked and forced to fly to Communist
Cuba. Puerto Rican-born Abntulio Ramirez Ortiz
forced the National Airlines Corvair 44O to fly to Havana at gun point and
was then given asylum. He was jailed for twenty
years when he returned to Maimi, United States, in 1975.

1968
February 21
A Delta Airlines DC8 forced to fly to Havana, Cuba, in the first successful
hijacking of a US commercial airliner since 1961.
The hijacker was granted political asylum.

August 28
John Gordon Meir, US ambassador to Guatemala is murdered by a rebel faction
when they force his official car off the road in
Guatemala City and machine gun the vehicle. He is the first ever American
ambassador to be assassinated by terrorists.

1969
September 3
U.S. Ambassador to Brazil Charles Burke Elbrick was kidnapped by the Marxist
revolutionary group MR-8.

1970
July 31
In Montevideo, Uruguay, the Tupamaros terrorist group kidnapped USAID
adviser Dan Mitrione; his body was found on August 10.

1972
May 11
US Army headquarters in Frankfurt, Germany, attacked by Red Army Faction car
bomb killing one American officer and injuring
thirteen people. Three more US servicemen injured in another Red Army
Faction car bomb attack on the US Army headquarters at
Heidleburg, Germany, later in the month.

1973
March 2
U.S. Ambassador to Sudan Cleo A. Noel and other diplomats were assassinated
at the Saudi Arabian Embassy in Khartoum by
members of the Black September organization.

May 4
U.S. Consul General in Guadalajara, Terrence Leonhardy, was kidnapped by
members of the People's Revolutionary Armed Forces.

1979
November 4
Iranian radicals seize the US Embassy in Tehran, taking sixty-six American
diplomats hostage. The crisis continues until 20
January 1981 when the hostages are released by diplomatic means.

1980
August 13
Air Florida flight from Key West to Miami, United States, hijacked by seven
Cubans and flown to Cuba, where they released
their hostages and taken into custody. Six further US airliners were
hijacked to Cuba over the next month. All the passengers
were freed without harm. Three passengers were killed when Cubans hijacked
an aircraft in Peru and demanded to be flown to
the United States.

1981
August 31
Large bomb explodes in the car park of the USAF base at Ramstein, Germany,
injuring twenty people. The Red Army Faction
claims responsibility.

September 15
Red Army Faction terrorists make unsuccessful rocket attacks on the car of
US Army commander in West Germany, General Fred
Kroesen.

December 4
Three American nuns and one lay missionary were found murdered outside San
Salvador, El Salvador. They were believed to have
been assassinated by a right-wing death squad.

1983
April 8
A U.S. citizen was seized by the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia
(FARC) and held for ransom.

April 18
Sixty three people, including the CIA's Middle East Director, are killed and
120 injured in a 400 lb. suicide truck bomb
attack on the US Embassy in Beirut, Lebanon. The driver is killed.
Responsibility is claimed by Islamic Jihad.

May 25
A U.S. Navy officer is assassinated by the Farabundo Marti National
Liberation Front.

October 23
Simultaneous suicide truck bombs on American and French compounds in Beirut,
Lebanon. A 12,000 lb bomb destroys a US Marine
Corps base killing two hundred and forty one Americans; another fifty eight
Frenchmen are killed when a 400 lb device
destroys one of their bases. Islamic Jihad claims responsibility.

November 15
US Naval officer shot by November 17 terrorist group in Athens, Greece, when
his car stopped at traffic lights.

December 12
US Embassy in Kuwait targeted by Iraqi Shia terrorists who attempted to
destroy the building with a truck bomb. The attack
was foiled by guards and the device exploded in the Embassy fore-court
killing five people.

December 17
US Army Brigadier General James Dozier kidnapped from his home in Verona,
Italy, by Italian Red Brigades terrorists. He was
held for forty five days until Italian special forces rescued him on January
26, 1982.

1984
March 16
CIA station chief in Beirut, Lebanon, William Buckley, was kidnapped by the
Iranian backed Islamic Jihad. He was tortured and
then executed by his captors.

April 12
Eighteen US servicemen killed and eighty three people injured in bomb attack
on restaurant near USAF base in Torrejon, Spain.

September 20
Suicide bomb attack on US Embassy in East Beirut kills twenty three people
and injures twenty one others. The US and British
ambassadors were slightly injured in the explosion which was attributed to
the Iranian backed Hezbollah group

1985
February 7
Under the orders of narcotrafficker Rafael Cero Quintero, Drug Enforcement
Administration agent Enrique Camarena Salazar and
his pilot were kidnapped, tortured, and executed.

March 16
US journalist Terry Anderson is kidnapped in Beirut, Lebanon, by Iranian
backed Islamic radicals. He is released in December
1991.

June 9
US academic, Thomas Sutherland, at the American University, Beirut, Lebanon
kidnapped by Islamic terrorists and held until
November 18, 1991.

June 14
A Trans World Airlines flight was hijacked en route to Rome from Athens by
two Lebanese Hizballah terrorists and forced to
fly to Beirut. The eight crew members and 145 passengers were held for 17
days, during which one American hostage, a U.S.
Navy diver, was murdered. After being flown twice to Algiers, the aircraft
was returned to Beirut after Israel released 435
Lebanese and Palestinian prisoners.

August 8
Three US servicemen and seventeen injured in Red Army Faction bomb and gun
attack on Rhein-Main airbase, Germany.

September 12
US academic at the American University in Beirut, Joseph Cicippio, seized in
Beirut by Iranian backed Islamic terrorists. He
is released on December 1, 1991.

October 7
Four Palestinian Liberation Front terrorists seized an Italian cruise liner
in the eastern Mediterranean Sea, taking more
than 700 hostages. One U.S. passenger was murdered before the Egyptian
Government offered the terrorists safe haven in return
for the hostages' freedom.

October 21
American businessman Edward Tracy kidnapped in Lebanon by Islamic terrorists
and held for almost five years until August 11,
1991.

1986
March 30
A Palestinian splinter group detonated a bomb as TWA Flight 840 approached
Athens Airport, killing four U.S. citizens.

April 5
Two U.S. soldiers were killed, and 79 American servicemen were injured in a
Libyan bomb attack on a nightclub in West Berlin,
West Germany.

1987
January 24
American citizens Jesse Turner and Alann Steen were seized in Beirut by
Islamic terrorists. Turner was held until October 22,
1991 and Steen is released on 3 December 3, 1991.

April 14
US Navy club in Naples, Italy, bombed by Japanese Red Army killing five.

April 24
Sixteen U.S. servicemen riding in a Greek Air Force bus near Athens were
injured in an apparent bombing attack, carried out
by the revolutionary organization known as 17 November.

1988
February 17
US Marine Corps Lieutenant Colonel W. Higgens, kidnapped and murdered by the
Iranian backed Hezbollah while serving with the
United Nations Truce Supervisory Organisation in southern Lebanon.

April 14
The Organization of Jihad Brigades exploded a car bomb outside a USO Club in
Naples, Italy, killing one U.S. sailor.
June 28 US Naval Attache killed in Athens, Greece, by Nov 17th terrorist
group.

August 8
Pakistan president Zia Al Haq and US ambassador are killed, along with
thirty seven other people, when a bomb explodes on a

C-130 Hercules aircraft just after take off from Bahawalpu, Pakistan.
December 21
Pan Am Boeing 747 blown up over Lockerbie, Scotland, by a bomb believed to
have been placed on the aircraft at Frankfurt

Airport, Germany. All 259 people on the aircraft were killed by the blast.

1989
April 21
The New People's Army (NPA) assassinate Col. James Rowe in Manila. The NPA
also assassinate two U.S. government defense
contractors in September.

1990
January 15
The Tupac Amaru Revolutionary Movement bombed the U.S. Embassy in Lima,
Peru.

May 13
The New People's Army (NPA) killed two U.S. Air Force personnel near Clark
Air Force Base in the Philippines.

1992
January 17-21
A senior official of the corporation Philippine Geothermal was kidnapped in
Manila by the Red Scorpion Group, and two U.S.
businessmen were seized independently by the National Liberation Army and by
Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC).

1993
January 31
Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) terrorists kidnapped three
U.S. missionaries.

February 26
World Trade Center in New York, USA, attacked by a massive bomb planted by
Islamic terrorists.

April 14
Iraqi intelligence service attempt to assassinate former US President,
George Bush, during a visit to Kuwait.

1994
September 23
FARC rebels kidnapped U.S. citizen Thomas Hargrove in Colombia.

1995
March 8
Two unidentified gunmen killed two U.S. diplomats and wounded a third in
Karachi, Pakistan.

July 4
In India, six foreigners, including two U.S. citizens, were taken hostage by
Al-Faran, a Kashmiri separatist group. One
non-U.S. hostage was later found beheaded.

August 21
Hamas claimed responsibility for the detonation of a bomb in Jerusalem that
killed six and injured over 100 persons,
including several U.S. citizens.

September 13
A rocket-propelled grenade was fired through the window of the U.S. Embassy
in Moscow, as an apparent retaliation for U.S.
strikes on Serb positions in Bosnia.

November 13
Seven foreigners, including a number of US servicemen, are killed in bomb
attack on National Guard training centre at Riyadh,
Saudi Arabia.

1996
January 19
Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) guerrillas kidnapped a U.S.
citizen and demanded a $1 million ransom. The
hostage was released on May 22.

February 15
Unidentified assailants fired a rocket at the U.S. embassy compound in
Athens, causing minor damage to three diplomatic
vehicles and some surrounding buildings. It is believed to have been carried
out by the 17 November group.

February 16
Six alleged National Liberation Army (ELN) guerrillas kidnapped a U.S.
citizen in Colombia. After 9 months, the hostage was
released.

June 25
Islamic radical terrorists opposed to the western military presence in the
Gulf region, explode a truck bomb next to a USAF
housing area at Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killing 19 American servicemen and
385 injuring more.

November 1
In Sudan, a breakaway group from the Sudanese People's Liberation Army
(SPLA) kidnapped three International Committee of the
Red Cross (ICRC) workers, including a U.S. citizen, an Australian, and a
Kenyan. On December 9, the rebels released the
hostages in exchange for ICRC supplies and a health survey for their camp.

December 11
Five armed men claiming to be members of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of
Colombia (FARC) kidnapped and later killed a U.S.
geologist at a methane gas exploration site in La Guajira Department

December 17
Twenty-three members of the Tupac Amaru Revolutionary Movement (MRTA) took
several hundred people hostage at a party given at
the Japanese Ambassador's residence in Lima, Peru. Among the hostages were
several U.S. officials, foreign ambassadors and
other diplomats, Peruvian Government officials, and Japanese businessmen.
The group demanded the release of all MRTA members
in prison and safe passage for them and the hostage takers. The terrorists
released most of the hostages in December but held
81 Peruvians and Japanese citizens for several months.

1997

February 14
Six armed Colombian guerrillas kidnapped a U.S. oil engineer and his
Venezuelan pilot in Apure, Venezuela. The kidnappers
released the Venezuelan pilot on February 22. According to authorities, the
FARC is responsible for the kidnapping.

February 23
A Palestinian gunman opened fire on tourists at an observation deck atop the
Empire State Building in New York City, killing
a Danish national and wounding visitors from the United States, Argentina,
Switzerland, and France before turning the gun on
himself. A handwritten note carried by the gunman claimed this was a
punishment attack against the "enemies of Palestine."

February 24
National Liberation Army (ELN) guerrillas kidnapped a U.S. citizen employed
by a Las Vegas gold corporation who was scouting
a gold mining operation in Colombia. The ELN demanded a ransom of $2.5
million.

March 7
FARC guerrillas kidnapped a U.S. mining employee and his Colombian colleague
who were searching for gold in Colombia. On
November 16, the rebels released the two hostages after receiving a $50,000
ransom.

October 30
Al-Sha'if tribesmen kidnapped a U.S. businessman near Sanaa. The tribesmen
sought the release of two fellow tribesmen who
were arrested on smuggling charges and several public works projects they
claim the government promised them. They released
the hostage on November 27.

November 12
Two unidentified gunmen shot to death four U.S. auditors from Union Texas
Petroleum Corporation and their Pakistani driver
after they drove away from the Sheraton Hotel in Karachi. The Islami
Inqilabi Council, or Islamic Revolutionary Council,
claimed responsibility in a call to the U.S. Consulate in Karachi. In a
letter to Pakistani newspapers, the Aimal Khufia
Action Committee also claimed responsibility.

1998
March 21-23
FARC rebels kidnapped a U.S. citizen in Sabaneta, Colombia. FARC members
also killed three persons, wounded 14, and kidnapped
at least 27 others at a roadblock near Bogota. Four U.S. citizens and one
Italian were among those kidnapped, as well as the
acting president of the National Electoral Council (CNE) and his wife.

August 7
US Embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar-es-Salem, Tanzania, heavily damaged
by massive bomb attacks. US intelligence blames
Islamic groups linked to Saudi dissident Osama Bin Laden.

November 15
Armed assailants followed a U.S. businessman and his family home in
Cundinamarca Department and kidnapped his 11-year-old son
after stealing money, jewelry, one automobile, and two cell phones. The
kidnappers demanded $1 million in ransom. On January
21, 1999, the kidnappers released the boy.

December 28
Yemini militants kidnap a group of western tourists, including 12 Britons, 2
Americans, and 2 Australians on the main road to
Aden. Four victims were killed during a rescue attempt the next day.

1999
February 25
FARC kidnapped three U.S. citizens working for the Hawaii-based Pacific
Cultural Conservancy International. On March 4, the
bodies of the three victims were found in Venezuela.

March 1
150 armed Hutu rebels attacked three tourist camps in Uganda, killed four
Ugandans, and abducted three U.S. citizens, six
Britons, three New Zealanders, two Danish citizens, one Australian, and one
Canadian national. Two of the U.S. citizens and
six of the other hostages were subsequently killed by their abductors.

March 23
Armed guerrillas kidnapped a U.S. citizen in Boyaca, Colombia. The National
Liberation Army (ELN) claimed responsibility and
demanded $400,000 ransom. On July 20, ELN rebels released the hostage
unharmed following a ransom payment of $48,000.

May 30
In Cali, Colombia, armed ELN militants attacked a church in the neighborhood
of Ciudad Jardin, kidnapping 160 persons,
including six U.S. citizens and one French national. The rebels released
approximately 80 persons, including three U.S.
citizens, later that day.

June 27
In Port Harcourt, Nigeria, armed youths stormed a Shell oil platform,
kidnapping one U.S. citizen, one Nigerian national, and
one Australian citizen, and causing undetermined damage. A group calling
itself "Enough is Enough in the Niger River" claimed
responsibility.

August 4
An Armed Forces Revolutionary Council (AFRC) faction kidnapped 33 UN
representatives near Occra Hills, Sierra Leone. The
hostages included one U.S. citizen, five British soldiers, one Canadian
citizen, one representative from Ghana, one military
officer from Russia, one officer from Kyrgyzstan, one officer from Zambia,
one officer from Malaysia, a local Bishop, two UN
officials, two local journalists, and 16 Sierra Leonean nationals.

December 23
Colombian People's Liberation Army (PLA) forces kidnapped a U.S. citizen in
an unsuccessful ransom effort.

2000
June 27
In Bogota, Colombia, ELN militants kidnapped a 5-year-old U.S. citizen and
his Colombian mother, demanding an undisclosed
ransom.

August 12
In the Kara-Su Valley, the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan took four U.S.
citizens hostage. The Americans escaped on August
12.

October 12
In Sucumbios Province, Ecuador, a group of armed kidnappers led by former
members of defunct Colombian terrorist organization
the Popular Liberation Army (EPL), took hostage 10 employees of Spanish
energy consortium REPSOL. Those kidnapped included
five U.S. citizens, one Argentine, one Chilean, one New Zealander, and two
French pilots who escaped 4 days later. On January
30, 2001, the kidnappers murdered American hostage Ronald Sander. The
remaining hostages were released on February 23
following the payment of $13 million in ransom by the oil companies.

October 12
In Aden, Yemen, a small dingy carrying explosives rammed the destroyer
U.S.S. Cole, killing 17 sailors and injuring 39
others. Supporters of Usama Bin Ladin were suspected.

December 30
A bomb exploded in a plaza across the street from the U.S. embassy in
Manila, injuring nine persons. The Moro Islamic
Liberation Front is allegedly responsible.

2001
September 11
Two hijacked airliners crashed into the twin towers of the World Trade
Center. Soon thereafter, the Pentagon was struck by a
third hijacked plane. A fourth hijacked plane, suspected to be bound for a
high-profile target in Washington, crashed into a
field in southern Pennsylvania. More than 3,000 U.S. citizens and other
nationals were killed. President Bush and Cabinet
officials indicated that Usama Bin Laden was the prime suspect and that they
considered the United States in a state of war
with international terrorism.

Scott wrote:
> <den73740@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1119888529.171923.35700@o13g2000cwo.googlegro ups.com...
>
> > 27 June 2005 US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has warned it may be
> > years before the insurgency in Iraq is defeated.
>
> No shit, eh?
>
> News to you?
>
> A little refresher for you;
>
Scott Jun 23, 11:40 am show options

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Subject: A few words from someone who has actually been to Iraq

The War is Over, and We Won


By Karl Zinsmeister

"Joe English" <jenglish@wisperhome.com> wrote in message
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> this hurts - badly - he may have crossed over the line, but then we all
> have from time to time. I didn't say Alan was right, just that Alan has
> the right to free speech, just as Scott does, and everyone else. \
>
> I don't kill file many (only 1) here

If the faggot lawyer thinks I have crossed the line, he is certainly welcome
to file his charges.

He is a liar.