OT: From those Iraqi's that hate us;

Hi,

>>> "What the *bleep* do we know", thoughts are more important
>>
>>
>>
>> Now what is *that* in flemish?
>
>
> "What the fuck do we know?"

Really )?
>
> An interesting phenomenon I've noted is that swearing in a foreign
> tongue doesn't sound so nasty to you, so you feel less restrained to do
> it.

I'd concur. But more with the feeling of "less restrained"
than with a penchant to swear.

> Even in cross dialect... consider 'bloody'... horrible to certain
> English people, but I know Canadians and Americans who don't bat an
> eyelash at the reference.

Agreed.. I once said to a british custom officer, who seemed
to want to impeed my wish to catch the Calais ferry, because
there were 3 guys from Eire with me.. : what's that fuss all
about...
Well he exploded, then imploded, then took resource to call
his superior, who ( a Lady) remembered me that they all were
"Britisch officers", which sounded to me like "Knights of
the Highest Order in the British Empire". Musta been the
Queens stepma, or something. I realized that it was time to
confess I was not all familiar with english idioms.
....Bleepwits...


> Now try "watverdomme!" or,

Sounds nice. My grandma nearly could have said this.


as my co-workers say "milliard". which I
> consider to be the little old church lady's version...

Hmmm. They've already overcome calvinism, inquisition..? (
"All we are saying..."


>>> than nutrition or any other factor on our health (in some ways, I
>>> agree with this, but not all). So let's start, from today, thinking
>>> ourselves out of old age and into perpetual youth. Deal?
>>
>>
>>
>> Hm. Bob Dylan covered that part already. So some sceptizism might be
>> due, with all respect...
>
>
> Must've been all that pot clouding his thought processes.

It did not. Does not. You should know that. As well, he sang
Forever Young in a life concert in Cleveland together with
Bruce Springsteen...

Hmm... Are you're too young, may be?

Greets
Matthias

Froggy wrote:

> And it is also apparent that asian countries that "played the game" and
> opened (gradually) their economies fared much better than those that
> decided to remain isolated, notably thanks to exports from industries
> built out of foreign investment.

Whilst apparent, not necessarily selfunderstood.

Germany fared better in the ending of the 19th century with
protected trade and customs than it would have with free
trade. They knew becuase they tried before... Lost terrible
funds f.i. in Argentina steel market.

Matthias

Dennis (Icarus) wrote:
> "BarryNL" <no@spam.com> wrote in message

> > Of
> > course, unless you know of one instance where an African corporation has
> > bought up a US utility supply company...
>
> How about China trying to buy a US oil company?

That's a very good example. The bid was dropped as the US were clearly
not willing to let that happen, free markets or not.
> >
> > >>Not that it's anything new. The powerful have exploited the weak since
> > >>people first worked out that you could hit other people with rocks. It's
> > >>almost more that people (whether through duplicity or simple stupidity)
> > >>claim free trade is not a form of theft that bothers me more than the
> > >>exploitation itself.

Why would free trade be considered as theft, even if one party were to
derive an advantage at the expense of the other (as opposed to the
ideal scenario of mutual gains), if both parties willingly accept it?

And it is also apparent that asian countries that "played the game" and
opened (gradually) their economies fared much better than those that
decided to remain isolated, notably thanks to exports from industries
built out of foreign investment.

Cheers,

Froggy

Dennis (Icarus) wrote:
> "BarryNL" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
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>
>>Dennis (Icarus) wrote:
>>
>>>"BarryNL" <n@n.nl> wrote in message
>>>news:432874ac$0$11071$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl.. .
>>>
>>>
>>>>Dennis (Icarus) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"BarryNL" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:432816dc$0$11079$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dennis (Icarus) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"BarryNL" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>><snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Fortunately......
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Now, if you remember the "no taxation without representation" thing
>>>
>>>you
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>will understand why many people in other countries, especially
>>>>>>>>non-democracies, rightfully resent the influence the US has over
>
> them.
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Then they should like the current admin - after all, we're rather big
>>>
>>>on
>>>
>>>
>>>>>tax
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>cuts.
>>>>>>>Didn t think we taxed other countries though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think you prefer to call it "free trade".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Generally, free trade is a good thing, yes?
>>>>>
>>>>>Oh, thats right - trade=capitalism.
>>>>
>>>>Theft in this case. Well, morally, not legally, I guess...
>>>
>>>
>>>Hmm....we're buying goods, right?
>>>They offer goods for x, we pay x.
>>>Thatr's "morally theft"?
>>
>>Well, the core of it is two fold. One is the unfair system of tarifs
>>whereby they can sell raw coffee to us for low tarifs but not processed
>>coffee. Of course, all the money is actually made by those doing the
>>processing and packaging - not those selling the raw materials, so in
>>this sense its unfair because it's NOT free trade. This goes for pretty
>>much all raw materials the third world produces - they can sell us the
>>commodities but not the consumer goods. Of course, we turn round and
>>dump heavily subsidised food onto their markets.
>
>
> Ok, so why are you coimplaining about "free trade" when what you describe is
> not free trade?

'Cos it's always referred to that way in the media.

>>The second problem is the fact that we force them to open up their
>>internal markets to our corporations who then basically buy up the
>>entire country. This is nothing more than a new form of colonialism. Of
>>course, unless you know of one instance where an African corporation has
>>bought up a US utility supply company...
>
>
> How about China trying to buy a US oil company?

China now has an economy the size of Germany, the UK, France and Italy
combined. I don't think it's sensible to see it as a third world country.

>>>>Not that it's anything new. The powerful have exploited the weak since
>>>>people first worked out that you could hit other people with rocks. It's
>>>>almost more that people (whether through duplicity or simple stupidity)
>>>>claim free trade is not a form of theft that bothers me more than the
>>>>exploitation itself.
>>>
>>>
>>>Dennis

--
"If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from
him. An investment in Knowledge always pays the best Interest." -
Benjamin Franklin

"BarryNL" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
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> Dennis (Icarus) wrote:
<snip>
> >
> >
> > Ok, so why are you coimplaining about "free trade" when what you
describe is
> > not free trade?
>
> 'Cos it's always referred to that way in the media.

Try to be more accurate then?

>
> >>The second problem is the fact that we force them to open up their
> >>internal markets to our corporations who then basically buy up the
> >>entire country. This is nothing more than a new form of colonialism. Of
> >>course, unless you know of one instance where an African corporation has
> >>bought up a US utility supply company...
> >
> >
> > How about China trying to buy a US oil company?
>
> China now has an economy the size of Germany, the UK, France and Italy
> combined. I don't think it's sensible to see it as a third world country.

Anmd yet, their green house gases don't cause near the damage that Germany's
the UK, France, and Italy's does, which is why they were exempt from Kyoto


Dennis
>
> >>>>Not that it's anything new. The powerful have exploited the weak since
> >>>>people first worked out that you could hit other people with rocks.
It's
> >>>>almost more that people (whether through duplicity or simple
stupidity)
> >>>>claim free trade is not a form of theft that bothers me more than the
> >>>>exploitation itself.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Dennis
>
> --
> "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from
> him. An investment in Knowledge always pays the best Interest." -
> Benjamin Franklin

"BarryNL" <n@n.nl> wrote in message
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> Dennis (Icarus) wrote:
>> "Limey" wrote

>>>
>>>Didn't know the Dutch ever did.....and I was being facetious Dennis, I
>>
>> only
>>
>>>expected Barry not to get that.
>>
>>
>> I figured Barry, based on what he said, eas a Brit expat.
>
> 'bout time someone worked it out
>

What makes you think anybody gives a rat's ass?

Limey.

"Laurel" <laurel@telenet.be.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Limey wrote:
>> "JOF" <jofrancis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:a9vdi1ldhi2k53of9ln7oibp3mv0lnu7rf@4ax.com...
>>
>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:17:26 GMT, "Limey" <davidflies@noatt.crapnet>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>ONCE
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No more.
>>>>>
>>>>>That's the way it goes. Come back in a hundred years and someone will
>>>>>be
>>>>>here to post "no more" (or the Chinese equivalent thereof) about the
>>>>>US.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yeah, but one thing's fer sure. They'll never be saying it in Dutch.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Never say never.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Well, I'll never say it in Dutch.....thasfershure!
>
> 'cause 100 years from now, you'll be dead
>
> L.

The way I'm going I prolly don't even have 10.

LD.

"BarryNL" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
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> Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
> -- "Every man feels meanly towards himself for not having been a soldier".
> Dr. Johnson "BarryNL" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
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>
> >> Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
> >
> >>>> "BarryNL" <n@n.nl> wrote in message
> >>>> news:43237ca3$0$11080$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >> I think the appropriate cliche here is "two wrongs don't make a right".
>
>
> > Like I said, no solutions.
>
> > Like the Canadians around here, you can take hindsight potshots at
> > geopolitical decisions that a country of your stature will never,
> has > never, and couldn't make.
>
> I think my country had a lot more global influence once than yours has. We
> ruled you until the late 1700's as I remember.

That's pretty relevant.

>
> >>
> >> You really need to learn to think in shades of grey instead of black
> and
> >> white. To do otherwise is the real ignorance.
>
> > Like many around here, you can use your many shades of gray to
> > disguise your lack of solution, or the moral fortitude to ever
> > arrive at one.
>
> Unfortunately I've seen the results of using 'moral fortitude' to make
> decisions. Such as the Western country with the most 'moral' approach to
> the question of teenage sex also having the highest teen pregnancy rates.
> See if you can guess which it is.

That our teens have the most sex?

Was there a downside here?

>
> --
> The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well
> as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets,
> and to steal bread. - Anatole France.