18m dives around north or west Ireland

Matthias Voss wrote:
> Keith Lawrence wrote:
>
>
>>>> My buddy is only qualified to dive to 18m, are there any dive sites
>>>> around the north or west of Ireland you recommend we should try
>>>> out?
>>
>>
>>
>>> You may be mixing up qualified and certified.
>>> Physic laws extend without step functions, even down to
>>> more than 18m. Just to state, this "you are only
>>> qualified BS" is only aimed to separate you from your cash.
>>> What counts, is not certification, but skills assessment,
>>> development and training.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think you're a bit out-of-order there Matthias, the guy asked a
>> reasonable
>> question to keep his buddy within comfort/quals/insurance limits.
>
>
> OK so. But I felt the immanent implication that once someone was
> certified these comfort limits might extend a bit too much in a self
> understood but misleading way.
>

I've read that about six times, but haven't a clue what it means!
The implication I read was that the OP was qualified to deeper than 18m
but wanted somewhere shallower where he could take his buddy and still
be interesting and within spec.
If he had asked for 'somewhere with some 18m bits for his buddy and some
30m bits for him' that would have been the time to prevaricate!

>
>
>> I agree
>> that in some circumstances "you are only qualified..." is BS designed to
>> sell courses, but it's also there to try and stop people with minimal
>> training and experience (who simply don't know better) from parting with
>> their existence rather than their cash.
>
>
> I hope so for real.
>
>> Give the guy a break, you simply don't know the circumstances. There
>> is also
>> one hell of a lot of difference between 18m and 30m that is far more than
>> simple physics.
>
>
> Absolutely agreed. Which specific ones for Irish waters are taught in
> certication classes?
>
> Matthias
>
Irish courses teach that 30m-18m is only 12m, and a cesa from 12m is
relatively easy? (apologies to Irish friends!)

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 sharky <bill@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Matthias Voss wrote:

<SNIP!>

If I'd known how anal this newsgroup is I wouldn't have posted
originally.
Get the snorkel out of yer ass... I'm off to the other scuba group where
their pro-republican rantings are far more enjoyable :)

sheesh!
--

"I hear ma train a comin'
.... hear freedom comin"

"Stimp" <ren@spumco.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 sharky <bill@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Matthias Voss wrote:
>
> <SNIP!>
>
> If I'd known how anal this newsgroup is I wouldn't have posted
> originally.
> Get the snorkel out of yer ass... I'm off to the other scuba group where
> their pro-republican rantings are far more enjoyable :)
>
> sheesh!
> --
>
> "I hear ma train a comin'
> ... hear freedom comin"


not sure if this is of any use / too far south.....
there were quite a few decent sites out of baltimore in SW ireland. all
relatively shallow (about 20m) IIRC, but i would need to dig out the
relevant logbook to check. the wrecks were pretty broken up but still made
for good diving. you can also get out to fastnet rock which gives good
diving at all levels. another interesting dive is the kowloon bridge. 6m at
shallowest to 35m or so at the sea bed. we dived with jerry and rianne
(aquaventures) about 5 years ago.
hth.

dave

sharky wrote:
....
>>> Give the guy a break, you simply don't know the circumstances. There
>>> is also
>>> one hell of a lot of difference between 18m and 30m that is far more
>>> than
>>> simple physics.
>>
>>
>>
>> Absolutely agreed. Which specific ones for Irish waters are taught in
>> certication classes?
>>
>> Matthias
>>
> Irish courses teach that 30m-18m is only 12m, and a cesa from 12m is
> relatively easy? (apologies to Irish friends!)

A CESA? You're talking padispeak?
No wonder it worried me

Matthias

On 14 Jun 2005 08:33:36 GMT, Stimp <ren@spumco.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 sharky <bill@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Matthias Voss wrote:
>
><SNIP!>
>
>If I'd known how anal this newsgroup is I wouldn't have posted
>originally.

Don't give up on UKRS too easily. The newsgroup is unmoderated so
cannot be held responsible for its content!

The group is not "high traffic" at the moment, but sensible and
interesting questions generally get informed and measured replies.
Stuff that has been debated to death, and is available in the FAQs,
might get less response.

Occasionally someone will be having an off-day, and fire off something
less than heplful, but this is up to you to filter, and generally the
signal to noise ratio is good.

David

"Stimp" <ren@spumco.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 sharky <bill@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Matthias Voss wrote:
>
> <SNIP!>
>
> If I'd known how anal this newsgroup is I wouldn't have posted
> originally.
> Get the snorkel out of yer ass... I'm off to the other scuba group where
> their pro-republican rantings are far more enjoyable :)
>
> sheesh!

Before you go - read your travel insurance!!

Some policies specify a depth limit, others state a limit "according to your
training and experience" so the 18m limit may well be a reasonable one to
employ, depending on the wording.

Ken

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 11:35:32 +0200, Matthias Voss
<spammat.voss@gmx.de> wrote:

>sharky wrote:
>...
>>>> Give the guy a break, you simply don't know the circumstances. There
>>>> is also
>>>> one hell of a lot of difference between 18m and 30m that is far more
>>>> than
>>>> simple physics.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Absolutely agreed. Which specific ones for Irish waters are taught in
>>> certication classes?
>>>
>>> Matthias
>>>
>> Irish courses teach that 30m-18m is only 12m, and a cesa from 12m is
>> relatively easy? (apologies to Irish friends!)
>
>A CESA? You're talking padispeak?
>No wonder it worried me

Of course he was PADI. You knew that from the fact that he was
qualified to 18m.

Now, a 12m CESA being safe strikes me as dangerous PADI-speak. Sounds
to me like a damn fine way of killing yourself.
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"Nick Eden" <null@localhost.com> wrote in message


> Of course he was PADI. You knew that from the fact that he was
> qualified to 18m.
>
> Now, a 12m CESA being safe strikes me as dangerous PADI-speak. Sounds
> to me like a damn fine way of killing yourself.
> -------------------------------------
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> http://website.lineone.net/~york_bsac

Haven't you got anything better to do than agency bashing.

Keith

Nick Eden wrote:

>
>>>Irish courses teach that 30m-18m is only 12m, and a cesa from 12m is
>>>relatively easy? (apologies to Irish friends!)
>>
>>A CESA? You're talking padispeak?
>>No wonder it worried me
>
>
> Of course he was PADI. You knew that from the fact that he was
> qualified to 18m.
>
> Now, a 12m CESA being safe strikes me as dangerous PADI-speak. Sounds
> to me like a damn fine way of killing yourself.


Darwin rulez.

For some more easily.

Matthias

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:26:28 GMT, "Keith Manning" <Nospam@tesco.net>
wrote:

>
>"Nick Eden" <null@localhost.com> wrote in message
>
>
>> Of course he was PADI. You knew that from the fact that he was
>> qualified to 18m.
>>
>> Now, a 12m CESA being safe strikes me as dangerous PADI-speak. Sounds
>> to me like a damn fine way of killing yourself.
>
>Haven't you got anything better to do than agency bashing.
>
>Keith
>

Sorry. Wasn't meaning to.

I have been trained in doing a CESA with PADI, where I started out.
Did it from about 5m. Perhaps shallower for the first time through. If
you panic and screw things up there you're only looking at a 50%
increase in lung volume which would be no good thing but probably
survivable.

12m would involve the lung volume more than doubling. I think that's
'king dangerous.

I don't mean to say that the CESA drill is intrinsically bad - it
kicked in once when I dropped a weightbelt and I will forever be glad
that it did, but 12m seems far too deep to do it.
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