18m dives around north or west Ireland

Ian Blakeley wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:52:19 +0100 in uk.rec.scuba, Ka says:
>
>
>>">
>>
>>>cool thanks for the non-pedantic reply :)
>>>
>>
>>No Problem!
>>
>>I forgot to add Scuba Dive West -- http://www.scubadivewest.com/
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Takes a bit of finding, I was touring by bike so not diving, just
> storing information for a later visit. Still it's the only time I've
> see a beware of the bull sign at a dive centre
> http://www.blakeley.plus.com/Bike/Ir...IRE2004_30.JPG


I found similar at the IOM, while motorcycling ...
The bulls were friendly, though. As a hint to what make of motorcycle I
was riding
Matthias

Ian Blakeley wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:52:19 +0100 in uk.rec.scuba, Ka says:
>
>
>>">
>>
>>>cool thanks for the non-pedantic reply :)
>>>
>>
>>No Problem!
>>
>>I forgot to add Scuba Dive West -- http://www.scubadivewest.com/
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Takes a bit of finding, I was touring by bike so not diving, just
> storing information for a later visit. Still it's the only time I've
> see a beware of the bull sign at a dive centre
> http://www.blakeley.plus.com/Bike/Ir...IRE2004_30.JPG


I found similar at the IOM, while motorcycling ...
The bulls were friendly, though. As a hint to what make of motorcycle I
was riding
Matthias

Ian Blakeley wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:52:19 +0100 in uk.rec.scuba, Ka says:
>
>
>>">
>>
>>>cool thanks for the non-pedantic reply :)
>>>
>>
>>No Problem!
>>
>>I forgot to add Scuba Dive West -- http://www.scubadivewest.com/
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Takes a bit of finding, I was touring by bike so not diving, just
> storing information for a later visit. Still it's the only time I've
> see a beware of the bull sign at a dive centre
> http://www.blakeley.plus.com/Bike/Ir...IRE2004_30.JPG


I found similar at the IOM, while motorcycling ...
The bulls were friendly, though. As a hint to what make of motorcycle I
was riding
Matthias

Ian Blakeley wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:52:19 +0100 in uk.rec.scuba, Ka says:
>
>
>>">
>>
>>>cool thanks for the non-pedantic reply :)
>>>
>>
>>No Problem!
>>
>>I forgot to add Scuba Dive West -- http://www.scubadivewest.com/
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Takes a bit of finding, I was touring by bike so not diving, just
> storing information for a later visit. Still it's the only time I've
> see a beware of the bull sign at a dive centre
> http://www.blakeley.plus.com/Bike/Ir...IRE2004_30.JPG


I found similar at the IOM, while motorcycling ...
The bulls were friendly, though. As a hint to what make of motorcycle I
was riding
Matthias

Matthias Voss wrote:
> Keith Lawrence wrote:
>
>
>>>> My buddy is only qualified to dive to 18m, are there any dive sites
>>>> around the north or west of Ireland you recommend we should try
>>>> out?
>>
>>
>>
>>> You may be mixing up qualified and certified.
>>> Physic laws extend without step functions, even down to
>>> more than 18m. Just to state, this "you are only
>>> qualified BS" is only aimed to separate you from your cash.
>>> What counts, is not certification, but skills assessment,
>>> development and training.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think you're a bit out-of-order there Matthias, the guy asked a
>> reasonable
>> question to keep his buddy within comfort/quals/insurance limits.
>
>
> OK so. But I felt the immanent implication that once someone was
> certified these comfort limits might extend a bit too much in a self
> understood but misleading way.
>

I've read that about six times, but haven't a clue what it means!
The implication I read was that the OP was qualified to deeper than 18m
but wanted somewhere shallower where he could take his buddy and still
be interesting and within spec.
If he had asked for 'somewhere with some 18m bits for his buddy and some
30m bits for him' that would have been the time to prevaricate!

>
>
>> I agree
>> that in some circumstances "you are only qualified..." is BS designed to
>> sell courses, but it's also there to try and stop people with minimal
>> training and experience (who simply don't know better) from parting with
>> their existence rather than their cash.
>
>
> I hope so for real.
>
>> Give the guy a break, you simply don't know the circumstances. There
>> is also
>> one hell of a lot of difference between 18m and 30m that is far more than
>> simple physics.
>
>
> Absolutely agreed. Which specific ones for Irish waters are taught in
> certication classes?
>
> Matthias
>
Irish courses teach that 30m-18m is only 12m, and a cesa from 12m is
relatively easy? (apologies to Irish friends!)

Matthias Voss wrote:
> Keith Lawrence wrote:
>
>
>>>> My buddy is only qualified to dive to 18m, are there any dive sites
>>>> around the north or west of Ireland you recommend we should try
>>>> out?
>>
>>
>>
>>> You may be mixing up qualified and certified.
>>> Physic laws extend without step functions, even down to
>>> more than 18m. Just to state, this "you are only
>>> qualified BS" is only aimed to separate you from your cash.
>>> What counts, is not certification, but skills assessment,
>>> development and training.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think you're a bit out-of-order there Matthias, the guy asked a
>> reasonable
>> question to keep his buddy within comfort/quals/insurance limits.
>
>
> OK so. But I felt the immanent implication that once someone was
> certified these comfort limits might extend a bit too much in a self
> understood but misleading way.
>

I've read that about six times, but haven't a clue what it means!
The implication I read was that the OP was qualified to deeper than 18m
but wanted somewhere shallower where he could take his buddy and still
be interesting and within spec.
If he had asked for 'somewhere with some 18m bits for his buddy and some
30m bits for him' that would have been the time to prevaricate!

>
>
>> I agree
>> that in some circumstances "you are only qualified..." is BS designed to
>> sell courses, but it's also there to try and stop people with minimal
>> training and experience (who simply don't know better) from parting with
>> their existence rather than their cash.
>
>
> I hope so for real.
>
>> Give the guy a break, you simply don't know the circumstances. There
>> is also
>> one hell of a lot of difference between 18m and 30m that is far more than
>> simple physics.
>
>
> Absolutely agreed. Which specific ones for Irish waters are taught in
> certication classes?
>
> Matthias
>
Irish courses teach that 30m-18m is only 12m, and a cesa from 12m is
relatively easy? (apologies to Irish friends!)

Matthias Voss wrote:
> Keith Lawrence wrote:
>
>
>>>> My buddy is only qualified to dive to 18m, are there any dive sites
>>>> around the north or west of Ireland you recommend we should try
>>>> out?
>>
>>
>>
>>> You may be mixing up qualified and certified.
>>> Physic laws extend without step functions, even down to
>>> more than 18m. Just to state, this "you are only
>>> qualified BS" is only aimed to separate you from your cash.
>>> What counts, is not certification, but skills assessment,
>>> development and training.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think you're a bit out-of-order there Matthias, the guy asked a
>> reasonable
>> question to keep his buddy within comfort/quals/insurance limits.
>
>
> OK so. But I felt the immanent implication that once someone was
> certified these comfort limits might extend a bit too much in a self
> understood but misleading way.
>

I've read that about six times, but haven't a clue what it means!
The implication I read was that the OP was qualified to deeper than 18m
but wanted somewhere shallower where he could take his buddy and still
be interesting and within spec.
If he had asked for 'somewhere with some 18m bits for his buddy and some
30m bits for him' that would have been the time to prevaricate!

>
>
>> I agree
>> that in some circumstances "you are only qualified..." is BS designed to
>> sell courses, but it's also there to try and stop people with minimal
>> training and experience (who simply don't know better) from parting with
>> their existence rather than their cash.
>
>
> I hope so for real.
>
>> Give the guy a break, you simply don't know the circumstances. There
>> is also
>> one hell of a lot of difference between 18m and 30m that is far more than
>> simple physics.
>
>
> Absolutely agreed. Which specific ones for Irish waters are taught in
> certication classes?
>
> Matthias
>
Irish courses teach that 30m-18m is only 12m, and a cesa from 12m is
relatively easy? (apologies to Irish friends!)

Matthias Voss wrote:
> Keith Lawrence wrote:
>
>
>>>> My buddy is only qualified to dive to 18m, are there any dive sites
>>>> around the north or west of Ireland you recommend we should try
>>>> out?
>>
>>
>>
>>> You may be mixing up qualified and certified.
>>> Physic laws extend without step functions, even down to
>>> more than 18m. Just to state, this "you are only
>>> qualified BS" is only aimed to separate you from your cash.
>>> What counts, is not certification, but skills assessment,
>>> development and training.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think you're a bit out-of-order there Matthias, the guy asked a
>> reasonable
>> question to keep his buddy within comfort/quals/insurance limits.
>
>
> OK so. But I felt the immanent implication that once someone was
> certified these comfort limits might extend a bit too much in a self
> understood but misleading way.
>

I've read that about six times, but haven't a clue what it means!
The implication I read was that the OP was qualified to deeper than 18m
but wanted somewhere shallower where he could take his buddy and still
be interesting and within spec.
If he had asked for 'somewhere with some 18m bits for his buddy and some
30m bits for him' that would have been the time to prevaricate!

>
>
>> I agree
>> that in some circumstances "you are only qualified..." is BS designed to
>> sell courses, but it's also there to try and stop people with minimal
>> training and experience (who simply don't know better) from parting with
>> their existence rather than their cash.
>
>
> I hope so for real.
>
>> Give the guy a break, you simply don't know the circumstances. There
>> is also
>> one hell of a lot of difference between 18m and 30m that is far more than
>> simple physics.
>
>
> Absolutely agreed. Which specific ones for Irish waters are taught in
> certication classes?
>
> Matthias
>
Irish courses teach that 30m-18m is only 12m, and a cesa from 12m is
relatively easy? (apologies to Irish friends!)

Matthias Voss wrote:
> Keith Lawrence wrote:
>
>
>>>> My buddy is only qualified to dive to 18m, are there any dive sites
>>>> around the north or west of Ireland you recommend we should try
>>>> out?
>>
>>
>>
>>> You may be mixing up qualified and certified.
>>> Physic laws extend without step functions, even down to
>>> more than 18m. Just to state, this "you are only
>>> qualified BS" is only aimed to separate you from your cash.
>>> What counts, is not certification, but skills assessment,
>>> development and training.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think you're a bit out-of-order there Matthias, the guy asked a
>> reasonable
>> question to keep his buddy within comfort/quals/insurance limits.
>
>
> OK so. But I felt the immanent implication that once someone was
> certified these comfort limits might extend a bit too much in a self
> understood but misleading way.
>

I've read that about six times, but haven't a clue what it means!
The implication I read was that the OP was qualified to deeper than 18m
but wanted somewhere shallower where he could take his buddy and still
be interesting and within spec.
If he had asked for 'somewhere with some 18m bits for his buddy and some
30m bits for him' that would have been the time to prevaricate!

>
>
>> I agree
>> that in some circumstances "you are only qualified..." is BS designed to
>> sell courses, but it's also there to try and stop people with minimal
>> training and experience (who simply don't know better) from parting with
>> their existence rather than their cash.
>
>
> I hope so for real.
>
>> Give the guy a break, you simply don't know the circumstances. There
>> is also
>> one hell of a lot of difference between 18m and 30m that is far more than
>> simple physics.
>
>
> Absolutely agreed. Which specific ones for Irish waters are taught in
> certication classes?
>
> Matthias
>
Irish courses teach that 30m-18m is only 12m, and a cesa from 12m is
relatively easy? (apologies to Irish friends!)

Matthias Voss wrote:
> Keith Lawrence wrote:
>
>
>>>> My buddy is only qualified to dive to 18m, are there any dive sites
>>>> around the north or west of Ireland you recommend we should try
>>>> out?
>>
>>
>>
>>> You may be mixing up qualified and certified.
>>> Physic laws extend without step functions, even down to
>>> more than 18m. Just to state, this "you are only
>>> qualified BS" is only aimed to separate you from your cash.
>>> What counts, is not certification, but skills assessment,
>>> development and training.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think you're a bit out-of-order there Matthias, the guy asked a
>> reasonable
>> question to keep his buddy within comfort/quals/insurance limits.
>
>
> OK so. But I felt the immanent implication that once someone was
> certified these comfort limits might extend a bit too much in a self
> understood but misleading way.
>

I've read that about six times, but haven't a clue what it means!
The implication I read was that the OP was qualified to deeper than 18m
but wanted somewhere shallower where he could take his buddy and still
be interesting and within spec.
If he had asked for 'somewhere with some 18m bits for his buddy and some
30m bits for him' that would have been the time to prevaricate!

>
>
>> I agree
>> that in some circumstances "you are only qualified..." is BS designed to
>> sell courses, but it's also there to try and stop people with minimal
>> training and experience (who simply don't know better) from parting with
>> their existence rather than their cash.
>
>
> I hope so for real.
>
>> Give the guy a break, you simply don't know the circumstances. There
>> is also
>> one hell of a lot of difference between 18m and 30m that is far more than
>> simple physics.
>
>
> Absolutely agreed. Which specific ones for Irish waters are taught in
> certication classes?
>
> Matthias
>
Irish courses teach that 30m-18m is only 12m, and a cesa from 12m is
relatively easy? (apologies to Irish friends!)