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  #41  
Old 03-15-2006, 06:38 AM
Sharky
 
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Default Re: Scuba Lessons Dublin Ireland

Euge wrote:
> I think PADI is good to start off with. I started out with PADI then crossed
> over to CMAS. However if you're smart about it I wouldn't necessarily get my
> Open Water here in Ireland. With the average cost of a PADI Open Water
> course being approx ?600 you can pay a similar amount of cash and get a nice
> holiday in tropical clear warm water sunny Egypt/Red Sea. I did my O.W. in
> Sharm El Sheik. This is the biggest scuba resort in Egypt. There are plenty
> of British scuba operators that leave from England a few times a week. I
> definitely recommend it. It was great fun doing it and the British people I
> met were the nicest ever. Of course you have to get a connecting flight from
> here but as you know these days they're as "cheap as chips".
> I went in 2002 to Sharm with http://www.explorers.co.uk/
> Also try http://www.divernet.com/index.shtml. This is the site for a British
> Scuba Mag and there's plenty of adds for various Red Sea Operators.
> Best of luck
> Eugene
>
>

Only snag with doing OW overseas is that your qualification is only to
dive 'in conditions and temperatures equal or better than in which you
were trained'
So if you then come back to the UK expecting to dive here you can expect
one of two things
1) To kill yourself by jumping into somewhere cold with an inadequate
wetsuit.
2) Be told by a UK dive centre that they will not train you further
without a refresher course, as well as dry suit training etc (which you
get for free if you do the course here). This will cost the same as
doing your Open Water course here in the first place.

We regularly get Sharm trained people turning up for further courses and
we generally have to start from scratch, they just can't 'dive'.
One bloke recently did all his skills abroad sitting on the bottom of a
lagoon, and then was brought out and passed off - and he hadn't actually
done any underwater exploration, hadn't finned a stoke and had no
concept of buoyancy whasoever.
Most have not done many key skills at all, and its almost funny to see
the ones who claim mask clearing is easy, try doing it again in Stoney
in winter complete with hood and gloves and a slight difference in water
temperature....

One guy came to us for his rescue course and kept hitting the surface
his buoyancy was that bad, then packed in after the first day because
'it was too cold'.


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  #42  
Old 03-15-2006, 06:38 AM
Sharky
 
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Default Re: Scuba Lessons Dublin Ireland

Euge wrote:
> I think PADI is good to start off with. I started out with PADI then crossed
> over to CMAS. However if you're smart about it I wouldn't necessarily get my
> Open Water here in Ireland. With the average cost of a PADI Open Water
> course being approx ?600 you can pay a similar amount of cash and get a nice
> holiday in tropical clear warm water sunny Egypt/Red Sea. I did my O.W. in
> Sharm El Sheik. This is the biggest scuba resort in Egypt. There are plenty
> of British scuba operators that leave from England a few times a week. I
> definitely recommend it. It was great fun doing it and the British people I
> met were the nicest ever. Of course you have to get a connecting flight from
> here but as you know these days they're as "cheap as chips".
> I went in 2002 to Sharm with http://www.explorers.co.uk/
> Also try http://www.divernet.com/index.shtml. This is the site for a British
> Scuba Mag and there's plenty of adds for various Red Sea Operators.
> Best of luck
> Eugene
>
>

Only snag with doing OW overseas is that your qualification is only to
dive 'in conditions and temperatures equal or better than in which you
were trained'
So if you then come back to the UK expecting to dive here you can expect
one of two things
1) To kill yourself by jumping into somewhere cold with an inadequate
wetsuit.
2) Be told by a UK dive centre that they will not train you further
without a refresher course, as well as dry suit training etc (which you
get for free if you do the course here). This will cost the same as
doing your Open Water course here in the first place.

We regularly get Sharm trained people turning up for further courses and
we generally have to start from scratch, they just can't 'dive'.
One bloke recently did all his skills abroad sitting on the bottom of a
lagoon, and then was brought out and passed off - and he hadn't actually
done any underwater exploration, hadn't finned a stoke and had no
concept of buoyancy whasoever.
Most have not done many key skills at all, and its almost funny to see
the ones who claim mask clearing is easy, try doing it again in Stoney
in winter complete with hood and gloves and a slight difference in water
temperature....

One guy came to us for his rescue course and kept hitting the surface
his buoyancy was that bad, then packed in after the first day because
'it was too cold'.


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  #43  
Old 03-15-2006, 08:51 AM
Euge
 
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Default Re: Scuba Lessons Dublin Ireland

That wasn't the case here. After I got my O.W. in Oct 2002 in Sharm I didn't
dive again till Sept 2003 in Dubrovnik ,Croatia (water temp early 20'sC). I
didn't have to do a refresher course. For the first dive they just stayed
close to me to see if I was good, bad or indifferent. As it turned out I was
pretty comfortable. I had signed up for a lucrative dive package so I
suppose they didn't want to say no to money. After Croatia I didn't dive
till summer 2004 in Dublin Bay (water temp 14C-16C). Again I didn't have to
do a refresher course. I grabbed my gear and in I went. I seemed to be that
once you had your PADI card and or log book, not many questions were asked.
Probably one of the reasons why I went over to CMAS...... ;)
I was lucky with the instructor I had in Sharm, he was pretty good. Scottish
guy who was in the Military. Great discipline. I know that "All instructors
are equal, it's just that some a more equal than others" and it's the luck
of the draw but "most" of the ones in our scuba college in Sharm were pretty
decent.
I'm amazed from your post that ......... "One guy came to us for his rescue
course and kept hitting the surface his buoyancy was that bad, then packed
in after the first day because 'it was too cold'. If this guy was doing his
"rescue course" does this mean that he was qualified as Advanced Open Water?
If this is the case that's F**king Scary!!!!
To be fair also to you Sharky, from my experience and from others in my
club, being a regular Northern European diver diving in "colder" waters DOES
carry a bit more "clout" when you go abroad to operators diving in "warmer"
friendlier waters.
Euge.


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  #44  
Old 03-15-2006, 08:51 AM
Euge
 
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Default Re: Scuba Lessons Dublin Ireland

That wasn't the case here. After I got my O.W. in Oct 2002 in Sharm I didn't
dive again till Sept 2003 in Dubrovnik ,Croatia (water temp early 20'sC). I
didn't have to do a refresher course. For the first dive they just stayed
close to me to see if I was good, bad or indifferent. As it turned out I was
pretty comfortable. I had signed up for a lucrative dive package so I
suppose they didn't want to say no to money. After Croatia I didn't dive
till summer 2004 in Dublin Bay (water temp 14C-16C). Again I didn't have to
do a refresher course. I grabbed my gear and in I went. I seemed to be that
once you had your PADI card and or log book, not many questions were asked.
Probably one of the reasons why I went over to CMAS...... ;)
I was lucky with the instructor I had in Sharm, he was pretty good. Scottish
guy who was in the Military. Great discipline. I know that "All instructors
are equal, it's just that some a more equal than others" and it's the luck
of the draw but "most" of the ones in our scuba college in Sharm were pretty
decent.
I'm amazed from your post that ......... "One guy came to us for his rescue
course and kept hitting the surface his buoyancy was that bad, then packed
in after the first day because 'it was too cold'. If this guy was doing his
"rescue course" does this mean that he was qualified as Advanced Open Water?
If this is the case that's F**king Scary!!!!
To be fair also to you Sharky, from my experience and from others in my
club, being a regular Northern European diver diving in "colder" waters DOES
carry a bit more "clout" when you go abroad to operators diving in "warmer"
friendlier waters.
Euge.


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  #45  
Old 03-15-2006, 08:51 AM
Euge
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Scuba Lessons Dublin Ireland

That wasn't the case here. After I got my O.W. in Oct 2002 in Sharm I didn't
dive again till Sept 2003 in Dubrovnik ,Croatia (water temp early 20'sC). I
didn't have to do a refresher course. For the first dive they just stayed
close to me to see if I was good, bad or indifferent. As it turned out I was
pretty comfortable. I had signed up for a lucrative dive package so I
suppose they didn't want to say no to money. After Croatia I didn't dive
till summer 2004 in Dublin Bay (water temp 14C-16C). Again I didn't have to
do a refresher course. I grabbed my gear and in I went. I seemed to be that
once you had your PADI card and or log book, not many questions were asked.
Probably one of the reasons why I went over to CMAS...... ;)
I was lucky with the instructor I had in Sharm, he was pretty good. Scottish
guy who was in the Military. Great discipline. I know that "All instructors
are equal, it's just that some a more equal than others" and it's the luck
of the draw but "most" of the ones in our scuba college in Sharm were pretty
decent.
I'm amazed from your post that ......... "One guy came to us for his rescue
course and kept hitting the surface his buoyancy was that bad, then packed
in after the first day because 'it was too cold'. If this guy was doing his
"rescue course" does this mean that he was qualified as Advanced Open Water?
If this is the case that's F**king Scary!!!!
To be fair also to you Sharky, from my experience and from others in my
club, being a regular Northern European diver diving in "colder" waters DOES
carry a bit more "clout" when you go abroad to operators diving in "warmer"
friendlier waters.
Euge.


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  #46  
Old 03-15-2006, 08:51 AM
Euge
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Scuba Lessons Dublin Ireland

That wasn't the case here. After I got my O.W. in Oct 2002 in Sharm I didn't
dive again till Sept 2003 in Dubrovnik ,Croatia (water temp early 20'sC). I
didn't have to do a refresher course. For the first dive they just stayed
close to me to see if I was good, bad or indifferent. As it turned out I was
pretty comfortable. I had signed up for a lucrative dive package so I
suppose they didn't want to say no to money. After Croatia I didn't dive
till summer 2004 in Dublin Bay (water temp 14C-16C). Again I didn't have to
do a refresher course. I grabbed my gear and in I went. I seemed to be that
once you had your PADI card and or log book, not many questions were asked.
Probably one of the reasons why I went over to CMAS...... ;)
I was lucky with the instructor I had in Sharm, he was pretty good. Scottish
guy who was in the Military. Great discipline. I know that "All instructors
are equal, it's just that some a more equal than others" and it's the luck
of the draw but "most" of the ones in our scuba college in Sharm were pretty
decent.
I'm amazed from your post that ......... "One guy came to us for his rescue
course and kept hitting the surface his buoyancy was that bad, then packed
in after the first day because 'it was too cold'. If this guy was doing his
"rescue course" does this mean that he was qualified as Advanced Open Water?
If this is the case that's F**king Scary!!!!
To be fair also to you Sharky, from my experience and from others in my
club, being a regular Northern European diver diving in "colder" waters DOES
carry a bit more "clout" when you go abroad to operators diving in "warmer"
friendlier waters.
Euge.


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  #47  
Old 03-15-2006, 08:51 AM
Euge
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Scuba Lessons Dublin Ireland

That wasn't the case here. After I got my O.W. in Oct 2002 in Sharm I didn't
dive again till Sept 2003 in Dubrovnik ,Croatia (water temp early 20'sC). I
didn't have to do a refresher course. For the first dive they just stayed
close to me to see if I was good, bad or indifferent. As it turned out I was
pretty comfortable. I had signed up for a lucrative dive package so I
suppose they didn't want to say no to money. After Croatia I didn't dive
till summer 2004 in Dublin Bay (water temp 14C-16C). Again I didn't have to
do a refresher course. I grabbed my gear and in I went. I seemed to be that
once you had your PADI card and or log book, not many questions were asked.
Probably one of the reasons why I went over to CMAS...... ;)
I was lucky with the instructor I had in Sharm, he was pretty good. Scottish
guy who was in the Military. Great discipline. I know that "All instructors
are equal, it's just that some a more equal than others" and it's the luck
of the draw but "most" of the ones in our scuba college in Sharm were pretty
decent.
I'm amazed from your post that ......... "One guy came to us for his rescue
course and kept hitting the surface his buoyancy was that bad, then packed
in after the first day because 'it was too cold'. If this guy was doing his
"rescue course" does this mean that he was qualified as Advanced Open Water?
If this is the case that's F**king Scary!!!!
To be fair also to you Sharky, from my experience and from others in my
club, being a regular Northern European diver diving in "colder" waters DOES
carry a bit more "clout" when you go abroad to operators diving in "warmer"
friendlier waters.
Euge.


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  #48  
Old 03-15-2006, 08:51 AM
Euge
 
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Default Re: Scuba Lessons Dublin Ireland

That wasn't the case here. After I got my O.W. in Oct 2002 in Sharm I didn't
dive again till Sept 2003 in Dubrovnik ,Croatia (water temp early 20'sC). I
didn't have to do a refresher course. For the first dive they just stayed
close to me to see if I was good, bad or indifferent. As it turned out I was
pretty comfortable. I had signed up for a lucrative dive package so I
suppose they didn't want to say no to money. After Croatia I didn't dive
till summer 2004 in Dublin Bay (water temp 14C-16C). Again I didn't have to
do a refresher course. I grabbed my gear and in I went. I seemed to be that
once you had your PADI card and or log book, not many questions were asked.
Probably one of the reasons why I went over to CMAS...... ;)
I was lucky with the instructor I had in Sharm, he was pretty good. Scottish
guy who was in the Military. Great discipline. I know that "All instructors
are equal, it's just that some a more equal than others" and it's the luck
of the draw but "most" of the ones in our scuba college in Sharm were pretty
decent.
I'm amazed from your post that ......... "One guy came to us for his rescue
course and kept hitting the surface his buoyancy was that bad, then packed
in after the first day because 'it was too cold'. If this guy was doing his
"rescue course" does this mean that he was qualified as Advanced Open Water?
If this is the case that's F**king Scary!!!!
To be fair also to you Sharky, from my experience and from others in my
club, being a regular Northern European diver diving in "colder" waters DOES
carry a bit more "clout" when you go abroad to operators diving in "warmer"
friendlier waters.
Euge.


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  #49  
Old 03-15-2006, 08:51 AM
Euge
 
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Default Re: Scuba Lessons Dublin Ireland

That wasn't the case here. After I got my O.W. in Oct 2002 in Sharm I didn't
dive again till Sept 2003 in Dubrovnik ,Croatia (water temp early 20'sC). I
didn't have to do a refresher course. For the first dive they just stayed
close to me to see if I was good, bad or indifferent. As it turned out I was
pretty comfortable. I had signed up for a lucrative dive package so I
suppose they didn't want to say no to money. After Croatia I didn't dive
till summer 2004 in Dublin Bay (water temp 14C-16C). Again I didn't have to
do a refresher course. I grabbed my gear and in I went. I seemed to be that
once you had your PADI card and or log book, not many questions were asked.
Probably one of the reasons why I went over to CMAS...... ;)
I was lucky with the instructor I had in Sharm, he was pretty good. Scottish
guy who was in the Military. Great discipline. I know that "All instructors
are equal, it's just that some a more equal than others" and it's the luck
of the draw but "most" of the ones in our scuba college in Sharm were pretty
decent.
I'm amazed from your post that ......... "One guy came to us for his rescue
course and kept hitting the surface his buoyancy was that bad, then packed
in after the first day because 'it was too cold'. If this guy was doing his
"rescue course" does this mean that he was qualified as Advanced Open Water?
If this is the case that's F**king Scary!!!!
To be fair also to you Sharky, from my experience and from others in my
club, being a regular Northern European diver diving in "colder" waters DOES
carry a bit more "clout" when you go abroad to operators diving in "warmer"
friendlier waters.
Euge.


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Old 03-15-2006, 09:11 AM
david
 
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> I'm amazed from your post that ......... "One guy came to us for his
> rescue
> course and kept hitting the surface his buoyancy was that bad, then packed
> in after the first day because 'it was too cold'. If this guy was doing
> his "rescue course" does this mean that he was qualified as Advanced Open
> Water? If this is the case that's F**king Scary!!!!


What's worse is if this guy was your buddy and he had spent the entire boat
trip telling
you how good he was. This happens honest. Have been through the BSAC bit I
think it
would be harder to get a C card without being able to dive a little.

tamlinek started this thread :-

Please advise me, where to go first? I want to start training, and I
just need a recommendation :D. I live on the north side, Dublin 9, also
NAC is good location for me. Just tell me, where is the best:D

I cant help you in Dublin but a Padi course will get you into the water
quicker
I would do that first it would help you work out if diving is for you.
with some of the other agencies you can get bogged down with politics.
go diving have some.

David




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