PADI Underwater Child Molester Specialty Course?

jer left this mess on Fri, 19 Sep 2003 06:23:06 -0500 for The Way to clean up:
>
>Salty wrote:
>
>>jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote in message
>>news:<bkdhvv$rhg@library1.airnews.net>...
>>
>>
>>>I saw nothing in the article that implied it was his first attempt.
>>>It may have only been the first time he was ratted out.
>>
>>
>> But then again, you saw nothing in the article that implied it was a
>> 'problem' with him before. Why would you draw a negative conclusion
>> against the man when you don't know a thing about his history ?? Are
>> you pre-judging him ?? I think you are.
>
>
>Well, if his 'problem' had surfaced before, I presume he wouldn't have
>been working that job for several years without complaint. Am I
>expected to believe this pillar of community respect woke up only that
>morning as a poolside pedophile? Not likely. So, I really do know
>something about his history. So I think I'm not.
>

Not true. Look at the complaints against various Catholic parishes, many by full
grown men.

We can't presume, either way. He may, he may not. In America, that automatically
means he's innocent, since he hasn't been proven guilty (either in the current
case or of past cases), that we know of.

Tao te Carl

"It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003

Jim.Greenlee@cc.gatech.edu left this mess on Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:51:33 +0000
(UTC) for The Way to clean up:
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>alan@nonono_irsi.com stopped playing nethack just long enough to say:
>>
>>Keeping in mind that we only know what's been reported in one article,
>>I see two possible scenarios. One is what you're suggesting, that this
>>person is a peadophile, has been all his life, and has gotten caught.
>>The second scenario is that the boys are lying.
>
>This is one reason why the BSA has the policy it does regarding adult
>supervision. Adults are never supposed to be alone with the boys at any
>time. This is done to protect both the youth (from improper behavior)
>AND the adults (from malicious accusations).
>

Unfortunately, if he's the only dive instructor...

Tao te Carl

"It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003

"de Valois" <devalois@nailedandused.com> wrote in message
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> Jim.Greenlee@cc.gatech.edu left this mess on Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:51:33
+0000
> (UTC) for The Way to clean up:
> >
> >alan@nonono_irsi.com stopped playing nethack just long enough to say:
> >>
> >>Keeping in mind that we only know what's been reported in one article,
> >>I see two possible scenarios. One is what you're suggesting, that this
> >>person is a peadophile, has been all his life, and has gotten caught.
> >>The second scenario is that the boys are lying.
> >
> >This is one reason why the BSA has the policy it does regarding adult
> >supervision. Adults are never supposed to be alone with the boys at any
> >time. This is done to protect both the youth (from improper behavior)
> >AND the adults (from malicious accusations).
> >
>
> Unfortunately, if he's the only dive instructor...

He wasn't...

"Another adult counselor was in attendance but was at another location in
the dive tank when the alleged fondling took place, he said."

The Florida Sea Base is one of two High Adventure bases (not classified as
summer camps) in the United States (the other is Philmont in Cimmaron, NM).
They focus entirely on water based activites. They have many scuba
instructors on their staff.

Incidentally, the summer camp I have worked for is expanding into new land
and will be seeking High Adventure Base status before too long. The problem
is that Philmont is a Nationally owned camp and the camp I worked for is a
council operation. Plus, the fact that these two camps would be in
semi-direct competition makes us think that the chances of getting High
Adventure base status are pretty slim.
>
> Tao te Carl
>
> "It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003
>

chrisguynn@sbcglobal.N.O.S.P.A.M.net stopped playing nethack just long enough to say:
>
>The Florida Sea Base is one of two High Adventure bases (not classified as
>summer camps) in the United States (the other is Philmont in Cimmaron, NM).

There are actually about 40 High Adventure Bases in the US. Philmont
and Sea Base are classified as "national" camps. There is a third
national camp - the Northen Tier "Canoe Base" in Minnesota.

>Incidentally, the summer camp I have worked for is expanding into new land
>and will be seeking High Adventure Base status before too long.

Is that the Double H Ranch? I heard a rumor that they were getting
ready to do something there. I'd be interested in some details on it,
if you have any.

-JimG

--
Jim Greenlee (jkg@cc.gatech.edu) Bad: Play a Windows CD backward, and
College of Computing you get a satanic message. Worse: Play
Georgia Tech, Atlanta, GA 30332 it forward, and it installs Windows!

"de Valois" <devalois@nailedandused.com> wrote in message
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> Jim.Greenlee@cc.gatech.edu left this mess on Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:51:33
+0000
> (UTC) for The Way to clean up:
> >
> >alan@nonono_irsi.com stopped playing nethack just long enough to say:
> >>
> >>Keeping in mind that we only know what's been reported in one article,
> >>I see two possible scenarios. One is what you're suggesting, that this
> >>person is a peadophile, has been all his life, and has gotten caught.
> >>The second scenario is that the boys are lying.
> >
> >This is one reason why the BSA has the policy it does regarding adult
> >supervision. Adults are never supposed to be alone with the boys at any
> >time. This is done to protect both the youth (from improper behavior)
> >AND the adults (from malicious accusations).
> >
>
> Unfortunately, if he's the only dive instructor...
>
> Tao te Carl
>
> "It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003

According to a separate report, there were two of them. The guy that is
accused of abusing the boys supposedly took them aside, one at a time, to do
it.

Sounds fishy to me, but you never know.

Lee

<Jim.Greenlee@cc.gatech.edu> wrote in message
news:bkfk23$lqn$1@news-int.gatech.edu...
> chrisguynn@sbcglobal.N.O.S.P.A.M.net stopped playing nethack just long
enough to say:
> >
> >The Florida Sea Base is one of two High Adventure bases (not classified
as
> >summer camps) in the United States (the other is Philmont in Cimmaron,
NM).
>
> There are actually about 40 High Adventure Bases in the US. Philmont
> and Sea Base are classified as "national" camps. There is a third
> national camp - the Northen Tier "Canoe Base" in Minnesota.

I always forget about the Canoe base... maybe because I have never had a
desire to go there. I actually didn't even know about the rest of the High
Adventure bases... That's good news as it may mean we have a better shot at
the designation...

>
> >Incidentally, the summer camp I have worked for is expanding into new
land
> >and will be seeking High Adventure Base status before too long.
>
> Is that the Double H Ranch? I heard a rumor that they were getting
> ready to do something there. I'd be interested in some details on it,
> if you have any.

Nope, it's Buffalo Trail Scout Ranch. Located inteh Davis mountains. Rumor
has it it is the third largest scout camp in the world (behind Philmont and
some camp in the Balck Forest of Germany). About 10,000 acres of some of
the harshest terrain you could ever hope to go backpacking in. It's hot,
rocky, steep terrain and I love it.

C Guynn

"Grumman-581" <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM@houston.rr.com> entertained us with:
:You get stuck applying MS security patches for the next year?

Speaking of which, did anyone else get a bunch of e-mail's from
<quote>microsoft</unquote> today. They come complete with a patch.exe file, and
this sort of text:

"Microsoft Consumer

this is the latest version of security update, the "September 2003, Cumulative
Patch" update which fixes all known security vulnerabilities affecting MS
Internet Explorer, MS Outlook and MS Outlook Express as well as three newly
discovered vulnerabilities. Install now to protect your computer. This update
includes the functionality of all previously released patches. "

The file passes my ISP's virus scanner and mine as well. I use Norton.


Of course the Microsoft Website says this:

"Microsoft Policies on Software Distribution
An important key to safe computing is to never use software from unknown
sources. As pointed out in a CERT advisory, malicious users often use "Trojan
Horses" to deliver harmful software onto unwary users' computers. A Trojan Horse
is a piece of software that appears to do something useful, but which actually
performs hidden, usually damaging, action on the user's computer. For example, a
malicious user might develop a game program that deliberately erases files on
the user's computer while it runs, and distribute it via a web site.

Another Trojan Horse mechanism that is frequently used is to send malicious
software to users via e-mail, claiming that it is a product upgrade from a
software vendor. Recently, several people have done this, sending e-mails that
contain software attachments to wide audiences on the Internet. The e-mails
claim that the attachments are product upgrades from Microsoft or other software
vendors, but in fact they are harmful software that may damage the user's
software and files when they run the attachments.

Microsoft never distributes software directly via e-mail.
We distribute software on physical media like CD ROMs and floppy disks.
We distribute upgrades via the Internet. When we do this, the software will be
available via our web site, http://www.microsoft.com, or through
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/search.asp?.
We occasionally send e-mail to customers to inform them that upgrades are
available. However, the e-mail will only provide links to the download sites --
we will never attach the software itself to the e-mail. The links will always
lead to either our web site or our FTP site, never to a third-party site.
We always use Authenticode to digitally sign our products and allow you to
ensure that they have not been tampered with.
If you receive an e-mail that claims to contain software from Microsoft, do not
run the attachment. The safest course of action is to delete the mail
altogether. If you would like to take additional action, report the e-mail to
the sender's Internet Service Provider. Most ISPs provide an "abuse" userid for
this purpose. "


Dan Bracuk
As Big Ben said to the Leaning Tower of Pisa, I've got the time if you've got the inclination.
The Best of Rec.Scuba
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"Lee Willcox" <lee@willcoxwebs.com> entertained us with:
:I see idiots, and they don't know their idiots.

Whether or not they are idiots is a matter of opinion. They may have equally
uncomplimentary opinions of you.

Dan Bracuk
As Big Ben said to the Leaning Tower of Pisa, I've got the time if you've got the inclination.
The Best of Rec.Scuba
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"Dan Bracuk" wrote ...
> Speaking of which, did anyone else get a bunch
> of e-mail's from <quote>microsoft</unquote>
> today. They come complete with a patch.exe ...

Nope... It used to be in the old days when virus writers had to create
*real* viruses that would self propagate without any interaction from the
user... These days, they just rely on user stupidity... Hell, *anyone* can
write a virus these days since all it requires is user stupidity to
propagate... Yeah, MS does its part in providing security loopholes to make
it easier for them, but if we could just keep these damn users from clicking
on anything that is sent to them, it would cut down on a lot of the virus
infections...

Robert <robert@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<kr6kmv026hfutffru80cjh1negq37lr9qm@4ax.com>. ..
> Maybe he was following the DIR principles.
>
> Does not surprise me it is a PADI Instructor.
>
> Irrespective of my opinions,
>
> A good lawyer would argue that he was just following PADI guidelines
> for the basic OW training. His hands might have slipped through. Maybe
> it was a slimy pool. YMCA does not have a lot of resources.
>
> At most, probation and counseling.
>
>
>
>
> On 17 Sep 2003 19:15:24 -0500, "Scuba News"
> <always@on-topic.scubanews> wrote:
>
> >
> >CDNN News: PADI scuba instructor arrested, charged with molesting boys
> >during scuba diving class
> >
> >http://www.cdnn.info/industry/i030916/i030916.html

Couple of items of interest here:

1) Why does it not surprise you that it is a PADI Instructor? Are you
stating that PADI instructors are more likely to be child molesters?

2) What does the YMCA have to do with a BSA Camp and PADI?

3) What does a slimy pool have to do with this particular case?


Curious minds want to hear the answers!!!

Randy