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CDNN News: PADI scuba instructor arrested, charged with molesting boys
during scuba diving class

http://www.cdnn.info/industry/i030916/i030916.html

"Scuba News" <always@on-topic.scubanews> wrote in message
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>
> CDNN News: PADI scuba instructor arrested, charged with molesting boys
> during scuba diving class
>
> http://www.cdnn.info/industry/i030916/i030916.html

Son of a bitch. It's not like the BSA hasn't had enough bad to say about
gays in the organization without adding this to the mix. I certainly how
that this is all wrong, that the accusations were a joke or in retaliation
for some earlier slight. Somehow, however, I suspect is isn't.

Lee

"Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> "Scuba News" <always@on-topic.scubanews> wrote in message
> news:3f68f872$0$98267$45beb828@newscene.com...
> >
> > CDNN News: PADI scuba instructor arrested, charged with molesting boys
> > during scuba diving class
> >
> > http://www.cdnn.info/industry/i030916/i030916.html
>
> Son of a bitch. It's not like the BSA hasn't had enough bad to say about
> gays in the organization without adding this to the mix. I certainly how
> that this is all wrong, that the accusations were a joke or in retaliation
> for some earlier slight. Somehow, however, I suspect is isn't.
>
> Lee

Sorry Lee but I have to object to this (and I know you weren't voicing a
negative opinion on being gay). Although it's way off topic and I don't
want to get into a huge debate like those on rec.scuba, I have to mention
that there is no link whatsoever between being gay and child abuse. Most
abuse of boys is done by married / straight men. I know its very dull when
things get 'political' and I'll drop the subject now.

Nick
x

There are two secrets to success...
1. Never reveal everything you know.

"Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> Son of a bitch. It's not like the BSA hasn't had enough bad to say about
> gays in the organization without adding this to the mix. I certainly how
> that this is all wrong, that the accusations were a joke or in retaliation
> for some earlier slight. Somehow, however, I suspect is isn't.

Interesting that he fondled all four. You'd think after the first one or
two, the others would have reacted. After all, they were 14 and 15 years
old and there were four of them. If someone did that to me and my friends
when I was that age, the guy wouldn't have been arrested, we'd have dealt
with him ourselves.

"Scuba News" <always@on-topic.scubanews> wrote in message
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>
> CDNN News: PADI scuba instructor arrested, charged with molesting boys
> during scuba diving class
>
> http://www.cdnn.info/industry/i030916/i030916.html

ouch. I hope that wasn't what happened to Scuba Bobby.

Cheers
David M

> Sorry Lee but I have to object to this (and I know you weren't voicing a
> negative opinion on being gay). Although it's way off topic and I don't
> want to get into a huge debate like those on rec.scuba, I have to mention
> that there is no link whatsoever between being gay and child abuse. Most
> abuse of boys is done by married / straight men. I know its very dull
when
> things get 'political' and I'll drop the subject now.

Thanks for sharing this. You are correct that I am not voicing a negative
opinion about being gay. I am completely straight, but also completely
certain that others have just as much right to their own sexual preferences
as I do to mine. Whether this person was gay or not, the reported event is
exactly the kind of thing the BSA used in their campaign to exclude gay
people from the organization. The risk they described matches the event
that occurred. Gay or straight, the damage is probably done.

I apologize to everyone subjected to this cross posting. I did not notice
the source of the original posting before I responded. Like Nick, I have no
desire in promoting an extended discussion on this subject and, in
particular don't wish to participate in one across mutiple groups. This
will be my last cross posting on this subject . . . unless, of course,
somebody gets me fired up.

Lee
Eagle Scout. Proud to have been part of Scouting, ashamed at the way
Scouting is treating others based on the most personal of differences.

--
The latest survey shows that 3 out of 4
people make up 75% of the population.
- -


"Nick Phillips" <nick.removespam.philips@bt.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:1d7ab.30269$NM1.565@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
> > "Scuba News" <always@on-topic.scubanews> wrote in message
> > news:3f68f872$0$98267$45beb828@newscene.com...
> > >
> > > CDNN News: PADI scuba instructor arrested, charged with molesting boys
> > > during scuba diving class
> > >
> > > http://www.cdnn.info/industry/i030916/i030916.html
> >
> > Son of a bitch. It's not like the BSA hasn't had enough bad to say
about
> > gays in the organization without adding this to the mix. I certainly
how
> > that this is all wrong, that the accusations were a joke or in
retaliation
> > for some earlier slight. Somehow, however, I suspect is isn't.
> >
> > Lee
>
> Sorry Lee but I have to object to this (and I know you weren't voicing a
> negative opinion on being gay). Although it's way off topic and I don't
> want to get into a huge debate like those on rec.scuba, I have to mention
> that there is no link whatsoever between being gay and child abuse. Most
> abuse of boys is done by married / straight men. I know its very dull
when
> things get 'political' and I'll drop the subject now.
>
> Nick
> x
>
> There are two secrets to success...
> 1. Never reveal everything you know.
>
>

"Greg Mossman" wrote ...
> If someone did that to me and my friends
> when I was that age, the guy wouldn't have
> been arrested, we'd have dealt with him
> ourselves.

Oh, so you weren't a democrat back then...

Greg Mossman left this mess on Thu, 18 Sep 2003 00:22:08 -0700 for The Way to
clean up:
>
>"Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> wrote in message
>news:1d7ab.30269$NM1.565@newsread2.news.atl.earth link.net...
>
>> Son of a bitch. It's not like the BSA hasn't had enough bad to say about
>> gays in the organization without adding this to the mix. I certainly how
>> that this is all wrong, that the accusations were a joke or in retaliation
>> for some earlier slight. Somehow, however, I suspect is isn't.
>
>Interesting that he fondled all four. You'd think after the first one or
>two, the others would have reacted. After all, they were 14 and 15 years
>old and there were four of them. If someone did that to me and my friends
>when I was that age, the guy wouldn't have been arrested, we'd have dealt
>with him ourselves.

Lee, you were an Eagle Scout. You know damned well the meaning and intimidation
a figure of authority has over kids this age, particularly at a camp. You'd have
been scared shitless and unable to gang up on him. The *most* you would have
done was to go to your folks and rat on him, but even then, you'd likely have
been too ashamed and humiliated.

Which is what these predators count on.

Four Merit Badges Shy of Eagle himself,

Tao te Carl

"It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003

de Valois

I don't know what part of the world you live in.
The kids in my neighborhood would have put him into intensive care.
He would not have gotten past the first one.
You are about as wrong as wrong can be when you say "No 14 year old Scout".
Come on down to Dallas and I'll show you some real kick ass teenagers.
I know that when I was a teenager in the Scouts I would have given him a
session in how to field dress a instructor and hung him out to dry.
Is there a merit badge for field dressing an instructor?



"de Valois" <devalois@nailedandused.com> wrote in message
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> Sorry Lee, I didn't see that Greg had posted this. Greg, my comments still
> stand. No 14 year old Scout would have the nerve to stand up to an
instructor at
> a Scout camp.
>
> de Valois left this mess on 18 Sep 2003 05:42:23 -0700 for The Way to
clean up:
> >
> >Greg Mossman left this mess on Thu, 18 Sep 2003 00:22:08 -0700 for The
Way to
> >clean up:
> >>
> >>"Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> wrote in message
> >>news:1d7ab.30269$NM1.565@newsread2.news.atl.eart hlink.net...
> >>
> >>> Son of a bitch. It's not like the BSA hasn't had enough bad to say
about
> >>> gays in the organization without adding this to the mix. I certainly
how
> >>> that this is all wrong, that the accusations were a joke or in
retaliation
> >>> for some earlier slight. Somehow, however, I suspect is isn't.
> >>
> >>Interesting that he fondled all four. You'd think after the first one
or
> >>two, the others would have reacted. After all, they were 14 and 15
years
> >>old and there were four of them. If someone did that to me and my
friends
> >>when I was that age, the guy wouldn't have been arrested, we'd have
dealt
> >>with him ourselves.
> >
> >Lee, you were an Eagle Scout. You know damned well the meaning and
intimidation
> >a figure of authority has over kids this age, particularly at a camp.
You'd have
> >been scared shitless and unable to gang up on him. The *most* you would
have
> >done was to go to your folks and rat on him, but even then, you'd likely
have
> >been too ashamed and humiliated.
> >
> >Which is what these predators count on.
> >
> >Four Merit Badges Shy of Eagle himself,
> >
> >Tao te Carl
> >
> >"It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003
> >
>
> Tao te Carl
>
> "It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003
>

"Lee Willcox" <lee@willcoxwebs.com> wrote in message
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> de Valois
>
> I don't know what part of the world you live in.
> The kids in my neighborhood would have put him into intensive care.
> He would not have gotten past the first one.
> You are about as wrong as wrong can be when you say "No 14 year old
Scout".
> Come on down to Dallas and I'll show you some real kick ass teenagers.
> I know that when I was a teenager in the Scouts I would have given him a
> session in how to field dress a instructor and hung him out to dry.
> Is there a merit badge for field dressing an instructor?
>
>

I suppose in Texas your children are used to being touched by
adults....usually your uncles.....