PADI Underwater Child Molester Specialty Course?

alan@nonono_irsi.com stopped playing nethack just long enough to say:
>
>Keeping in mind that we only know what's been reported in one article,
>I see two possible scenarios. One is what you're suggesting, that this
>person is a peadophile, has been all his life, and has gotten caught.
>The second scenario is that the boys are lying.

This is one reason why the BSA has the policy it does regarding adult
supervision. Adults are never supposed to be alone with the boys at any
time. This is done to protect both the youth (from improper behavior)
AND the adults (from malicious accusations).

-JimG

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Jim.Greenlee@cc.gatech.edu left this mess on Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:51:33 +0000
(UTC) for The Way to clean up:
>
>alan@nonono_irsi.com stopped playing nethack just long enough to say:
>>
>>Keeping in mind that we only know what's been reported in one article,
>>I see two possible scenarios. One is what you're suggesting, that this
>>person is a peadophile, has been all his life, and has gotten caught.
>>The second scenario is that the boys are lying.
>
>This is one reason why the BSA has the policy it does regarding adult
>supervision. Adults are never supposed to be alone with the boys at any
>time. This is done to protect both the youth (from improper behavior)
>AND the adults (from malicious accusations).
>

Unfortunately, if he's the only dive instructor...

Tao te Carl

"It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003

"de Valois" <devalois@nailedandused.com> wrote in message
news:bkff1d02kkv@drn.newsguy.com...
> Jim.Greenlee@cc.gatech.edu left this mess on Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:51:33
+0000
> (UTC) for The Way to clean up:
> >
> >alan@nonono_irsi.com stopped playing nethack just long enough to say:
> >>
> >>Keeping in mind that we only know what's been reported in one article,
> >>I see two possible scenarios. One is what you're suggesting, that this
> >>person is a peadophile, has been all his life, and has gotten caught.
> >>The second scenario is that the boys are lying.
> >
> >This is one reason why the BSA has the policy it does regarding adult
> >supervision. Adults are never supposed to be alone with the boys at any
> >time. This is done to protect both the youth (from improper behavior)
> >AND the adults (from malicious accusations).
> >
>
> Unfortunately, if he's the only dive instructor...

He wasn't...

"Another adult counselor was in attendance but was at another location in
the dive tank when the alleged fondling took place, he said."

The Florida Sea Base is one of two High Adventure bases (not classified as
summer camps) in the United States (the other is Philmont in Cimmaron, NM).
They focus entirely on water based activites. They have many scuba
instructors on their staff.

Incidentally, the summer camp I have worked for is expanding into new land
and will be seeking High Adventure Base status before too long. The problem
is that Philmont is a Nationally owned camp and the camp I worked for is a
council operation. Plus, the fact that these two camps would be in
semi-direct competition makes us think that the chances of getting High
Adventure base status are pretty slim.
>
> Tao te Carl
>
> "It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003
>

chrisguynn@sbcglobal.N.O.S.P.A.M.net stopped playing nethack just long enough to say:
>
>The Florida Sea Base is one of two High Adventure bases (not classified as
>summer camps) in the United States (the other is Philmont in Cimmaron, NM).

There are actually about 40 High Adventure Bases in the US. Philmont
and Sea Base are classified as "national" camps. There is a third
national camp - the Northen Tier "Canoe Base" in Minnesota.

>Incidentally, the summer camp I have worked for is expanding into new land
>and will be seeking High Adventure Base status before too long.

Is that the Double H Ranch? I heard a rumor that they were getting
ready to do something there. I'd be interested in some details on it,
if you have any.

-JimG

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<Jim.Greenlee@cc.gatech.edu> wrote in message
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> chrisguynn@sbcglobal.N.O.S.P.A.M.net stopped playing nethack just long
enough to say:
> >
> >The Florida Sea Base is one of two High Adventure bases (not classified
as
> >summer camps) in the United States (the other is Philmont in Cimmaron,
NM).
>
> There are actually about 40 High Adventure Bases in the US. Philmont
> and Sea Base are classified as "national" camps. There is a third
> national camp - the Northen Tier "Canoe Base" in Minnesota.

I always forget about the Canoe base... maybe because I have never had a
desire to go there. I actually didn't even know about the rest of the High
Adventure bases... That's good news as it may mean we have a better shot at
the designation...

>
> >Incidentally, the summer camp I have worked for is expanding into new
land
> >and will be seeking High Adventure Base status before too long.
>
> Is that the Double H Ranch? I heard a rumor that they were getting
> ready to do something there. I'd be interested in some details on it,
> if you have any.

Nope, it's Buffalo Trail Scout Ranch. Located inteh Davis mountains. Rumor
has it it is the third largest scout camp in the world (behind Philmont and
some camp in the Balck Forest of Germany). About 10,000 acres of some of
the harshest terrain you could ever hope to go backpacking in. It's hot,
rocky, steep terrain and I love it.

C Guynn

"de Valois" <devalois@nailedandused.com> wrote in message
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> Jim.Greenlee@cc.gatech.edu left this mess on Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:51:33
+0000
> (UTC) for The Way to clean up:
> >
> >alan@nonono_irsi.com stopped playing nethack just long enough to say:
> >>
> >>Keeping in mind that we only know what's been reported in one article,
> >>I see two possible scenarios. One is what you're suggesting, that this
> >>person is a peadophile, has been all his life, and has gotten caught.
> >>The second scenario is that the boys are lying.
> >
> >This is one reason why the BSA has the policy it does regarding adult
> >supervision. Adults are never supposed to be alone with the boys at any
> >time. This is done to protect both the youth (from improper behavior)
> >AND the adults (from malicious accusations).
> >
>
> Unfortunately, if he's the only dive instructor...
>
> Tao te Carl
>
> "It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003

According to a separate report, there were two of them. The guy that is
accused of abusing the boys supposedly took them aside, one at a time, to do
it.

Sounds fishy to me, but you never know.

Lee

"Lee Willcox" <lee@willcoxwebs.com> entertained us with:
:I see idiots, and they don't know their idiots.

Whether or not they are idiots is a matter of opinion. They may have equally
uncomplimentary opinions of you.

Dan Bracuk
As Big Ben said to the Leaning Tower of Pisa, I've got the time if you've got the inclination.
The Best of Rec.Scuba
http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/


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"Dan Bracuk" wrote ...
> Speaking of which, did anyone else get a bunch
> of e-mail's from <quote>microsoft</unquote>
> today. They come complete with a patch.exe ...

Nope... It used to be in the old days when virus writers had to create
*real* viruses that would self propagate without any interaction from the
user... These days, they just rely on user stupidity... Hell, *anyone* can
write a virus these days since all it requires is user stupidity to
propagate... Yeah, MS does its part in providing security loopholes to make
it easier for them, but if we could just keep these damn users from clicking
on anything that is sent to them, it would cut down on a lot of the virus
infections...

Robert <robert@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<kr6kmv026hfutffru80cjh1negq37lr9qm@4ax.com>. ..
> Maybe he was following the DIR principles.
>
> Does not surprise me it is a PADI Instructor.
>
> Irrespective of my opinions,
>
> A good lawyer would argue that he was just following PADI guidelines
> for the basic OW training. His hands might have slipped through. Maybe
> it was a slimy pool. YMCA does not have a lot of resources.
>
> At most, probation and counseling.
>
>
>
>
> On 17 Sep 2003 19:15:24 -0500, "Scuba News"
> <always@on-topic.scubanews> wrote:
>
> >
> >CDNN News: PADI scuba instructor arrested, charged with molesting boys
> >during scuba diving class
> >
> >http://www.cdnn.info/industry/i030916/i030916.html

Couple of items of interest here:

1) Why does it not surprise you that it is a PADI Instructor? Are you
stating that PADI instructors are more likely to be child molesters?

2) What does the YMCA have to do with a BSA Camp and PADI?

3) What does a slimy pool have to do with this particular case?


Curious minds want to hear the answers!!!

Randy

Apologies?

No cocksucker in this newsgroup deserves any apology. Especially the
one you mention.




On 18 Sep 2003 05:44:06 -0700, de Valois <devalois@nailedandused.com>
wrote:

>Sorry Lee, I didn't see that Greg had posted this. Greg, my comments still
>stand. No 14 year old Scout would have the nerve to stand up to an instructor at
>a Scout camp.
>
>de Valois left this mess on 18 Sep 2003 05:42:23 -0700 for The Way to clean up:
>>
>>Greg Mossman left this mess on Thu, 18 Sep 2003 00:22:08 -0700 for The Way to
>>clean up:
>>>
>>>"Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1d7ab.30269$NM1.565@newsread2.news.atl.ear thlink.net...
>>>
>>>> Son of a bitch. It's not like the BSA hasn't had enough bad to say about
>>>> gays in the organization without adding this to the mix. I certainly how
>>>> that this is all wrong, that the accusations were a joke or in retaliation
>>>> for some earlier slight. Somehow, however, I suspect is isn't.
>>>
>>>Interesting that he fondled all four. You'd think after the first one or
>>>two, the others would have reacted. After all, they were 14 and 15 years
>>>old and there were four of them. If someone did that to me and my friends
>>>when I was that age, the guy wouldn't have been arrested, we'd have dealt
>>>with him ourselves.
>>
>>Lee, you were an Eagle Scout. You know damned well the meaning and intimidation
>>a figure of authority has over kids this age, particularly at a camp. You'd have
>>been scared shitless and unable to gang up on him. The *most* you would have
>>done was to go to your folks and rat on him, but even then, you'd likely have
>>been too ashamed and humiliated.
>>
>>Which is what these predators count on.
>>
>>Four Merit Badges Shy of Eagle himself,
>>
>>Tao te Carl
>>
>>"It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003
>>
>
>Tao te Carl
>
>"It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003