Re: My faith has been re-affirmed

HOWARD THE DUCK: DEAN DODGES NBC APPEARANCE WITH REPUBLICAN
Sun Nov 13 2005 09:17:22 ET

Dem Chair Dean Ducks Last Second Joint MEET THE PRESS Appearance With GOP
Chair Mehlman

The DRUDGE REPORT has learned from exclusive sources that Democrat Party
Chair Howard Dean turned down Republican Party Chair Ken Mehlman's last
minute offer to appear together on NBC's MEET THE PRESS this morning.

Moments before taping was to begin with host Tim Russert, Mehlman asked Dean
outside the NBC studio's green room: "There's still time for us to go on
together Governor." Dean declined with a shrug of his shoulders and an
uncomfortable cackle and then proceeded to walk away into the green room.

DRUDGE has learned MEET THE PRESS producers have been working to get a head
to head Dean/Mehlman appearance on the program since Dean was named chair
back in February. Dean and his handlers have repeatedly turned down the
request. The former Vermont governor only agreed to do this week's program
if they appeared in back-to-back interviews.

Mehlman brought up Dean's unwillingness to appear alongside him during the
show: "I was hoping that Chairman Dean would be on sitting next to me this
morning. Maybe we can do that on a future program. Look, he's somebody I've
enjoyed getting to know. We meet in a lot of green rooms.."

Tim Russert: "We invited him -- do you have a question for him?"

Former Dem Party Chair Terry McAuliffe participated in regular head-to-head
appearances with his Republican counterparts during his tenure from '01 to
'05. McAuliffe went head-to-head with Republican chairmen at least five
times on MEET THE PRESS alone, going up against past GOP chairs Ed Gillespie
(twice), Marc Racicot (twice) and Jim Gilmore (once).

This weekend on ABC's THIS WEEK the Democrat heads of the Democratic
Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC), Sen. Chuck Schumer, and the Democratic
Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC), Rep. Rahm Emanuel, both appeared
head-to-head with their Republican committee counterparts Sen. Elizabeth
Dole and Rep. Tom Reynolds.

Developing...



Gore makes sustainable investment his business


"The time of half-measure has passed. We are entering a period of
consequences," says Gore, quoting Churchill.

"What changed in the US with hurricane Katrina was a feeling that we have
entered a period of consequences and that bitter cup will be offered to us
again and again until we exert our moral authority and respond
appropriately," he says. "I don't want to diminish the threat of terrorism
at all, it is extremely serious, but on a long-term global basis, global
warming is the most serious problem we are facing."

You're hurting. Aren't you?

See, with Libby under indictment and Rove, Delay, and Frist under
investigation, and Cheney running scared because he's likely to be next, you
guys can't think enough to stay on topic.

I love it!

"Dennis (Icarus)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote in message
news:9a159$43784079$18d64cf6$4481@KNOLOGY.NET...

> Have I mentioned that I do think its a good thingt hat you now realize
that
> perjury and obstruction of justice are serious charges?
>

It'll be even funnier after none of the BS charges stick.

"Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:euGdnX6AWrd43eXeRVn-vA@wavecable.com...
> "Dennis (Icarus)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote in message
> news:9a159$43784079$18d64cf6$4481@KNOLOGY.NET...
>
> > Have I mentioned that I do think its a good thingt hat you now realize
> that
> > perjury and obstruction of justice are serious charges?
> >
>
> It'll be even funnier after none of the BS charges stick.
>
>
>

Yes, and it wont be because the jurors are saying "yeah, he's guilty, but
he's our guy so we won't convct" oops, I mean "its not an impeachable
offense".

Dennis

"Suds (Popeye's friend)" <walkthetalk@blowhard.com> wrote in message
news:X3Wdf.1569$2k6.436@tornado.socal.rr.com...
> You're hurting. Aren't you?
>
> See, with Libby under indictment and Rove, Delay, and Frist under
> investigation, and Cheney running scared because he's likely to be next,
> you guys can't think enough to stay on topic.

And you guys still can't beat them at the ballot box...

))))))))))))))))))))\

> I love it!

What's not to love?

"Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:euGdnX6AWrd43eXeRVn-vA@wavecable.com...
> "Dennis (Icarus)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote in message
> news:9a159$43784079$18d64cf6$4481@KNOLOGY.NET...
>
>> Have I mentioned that I do think its a good thingt hat you now realize
> that
>> perjury and obstruction of justice are serious charges?
>>
>
> It'll be even funnier after none of the BS charges stick.

Why would you think obstruction of justice, a felony, is a BS charge?

There are two stark differences between the Libby case and the Clinton
persecution.

One: Kenneth Starr was extremely partisan. Fitzgerald is not.

Two: Starr found "obstruction of justice" when questioning Clinton about
sex with an intern, something wholly unrelated to the original investigation
of Whitewater. Fitzgerald found that Libby obstructed justice when he
dissembled on the exact subject that Fitzgerald was investigating, the leak
of national secrets to the press.

"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message
news:11nh947n15h73cc@corp.supernews.com...

>
> There are two stark differences between the Libby case and the Clinton
> persecution.
>
> One: Kenneth Starr was extremely partisan. Fitzgerald is not.
>
> Two: Starr found "obstruction of justice" when questioning Clinton about
> sex with an intern, something wholly unrelated to the original
> investigation of Whitewater. Fitzgerald found that Libby obstructed
> justice when he dissembled on the exact subject that Fitzgerald was
> investigating, the leak of national secrets to the press.


One, I thought the finding against Clinton was "perjury."

Two, Clinton was never formally indicted but apparently that isn't necessary
when it comes to impeachment.

Three, Libby has been charged with both "obstruction of justice" and
"perjury." Oh, and let's not forget about the charge of lying to the FBI.

BS certainly does some it up. LOL

"Suds (Popeye's friend)" <walkthetalk@blowhard.com> wrote in message
news:Fv6ef.1605$2k6.1353@tornado.socal.rr.com...

> One, I thought the finding against Clinton was "perjury."

The two articles of impeachment against Clinton that the House approved were
for perjury and for obstruction of justice.

Greg Mossman wrote:
> "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:euGdnX6AWrd43eXeRVn-vA@wavecable.com...
>
>>"Dennis (Icarus)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:9a159$43784079$18d64cf6$4481@KNOLOGY.NET. ..
>>
>>
>>>Have I mentioned that I do think its a good thingt hat you now realize
>>
>>that
>>
>>>perjury and obstruction of justice are serious charges?
>>>
>>
>>It'll be even funnier after none of the BS charges stick.
>
>
> Why would you think obstruction of justice, a felony, is a BS charge?

It should be, if it isn't.

Somehow, Clinton's obstruction of justice was a BS charge, wasn't it?
>
> There are two stark differences between the Libby case and the Clinton
> persecution.
>
> One: Kenneth Starr was extremely partisan. Fitzgerald is not.
>
> Two: Starr found "obstruction of justice" when questioning Clinton about
> sex with an intern, something wholly unrelated to the original investigation
> of Whitewater.

I thought it was during the investigation of the sexual harassment trial.
Fitzgerald found that Libby obstructed justice when he
> dissembled on the exact subject that Fitzgerald was investigating, the leak
> of national secrets to the press.
>
>


--
“The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their
neutrality in times of moral crisis.”

"Suds (Popeye's friend)" <walkthetalk@blowhard.com> wrote in message
news:Fv6ef.1605$2k6.1353@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>
> "Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message
> news:11nh947n15h73cc@corp.supernews.com...
>
> >
> > There are two stark differences between the Libby case and the Clinton
> > persecution.
> >
> > One: Kenneth Starr was extremely partisan. Fitzgerald is not.
> >
> > Two: Starr found "obstruction of justice" when questioning Clinton
about
> > sex with an intern, something wholly unrelated to the original
> > investigation of Whitewater. Fitzgerald found that Libby obstructed
> > justice when he dissembled on the exact subject that Fitzgerald was
> > investigating, the leak of national secrets to the press.
>
>
> One, I thought the finding against Clinton was "perjury."

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...articles.docs/

Article 1 - perjury
article 2 - perjury
article 3 - obstruction of justice
article 4 - abuse of power

>
> Two, Clinton was never formally indicted but apparently that isn't
necessary
> when it comes to impeachment.

Impeachment IS the "formal indictment" of a president.
Article I, section 4.

>
> Three, Libby has been charged with both "obstruction of justice" and
> "perjury." Oh, and let's not forget about the charge of lying to the FBI.
>
> BS certainly does some it up. LOL
>

Dennis