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Old 03-26-2007, 07:16 PM
Scott
 
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Default OT: So much for the lying Commie Gasbag

http://reuters.myway.com/article/200...1_N25497833_RT
RIDST_0_NEWS-IRAQ-ITALY-USA-DC.html

U.S. Clears Soldiers in Italian Agent's Iraq Death

Apr 25, 4:57 PM (ET)

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. investigators have found that American troops
who shot dead an Italian agent at a Baghdad checkpoint on March 4 committed
no wrongdoing and will not be disciplined, an Army official said on Monday.

But Italy disagrees with key findings in the preliminary report by the U.S.
military investigators and has balked at endorsing it, added the official,
speaking on condition of anonymity.

U.S. troops fatally shot the Italian intelligence officer, Nicola Calipari,
when they opened fire on a car heading for Baghdad airport in which he was
escorting Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena, a hostage who had just been
released.

The friendly fire incident has caused tension between the United States and
Italy, one of America's staunchest allies in Iraq. Calipari was fatally
wounded as he threw his body over Sgrena to protect her from a hail of
bullets. She was wounded but survived.

The Army official said Italy was disputing two factual issues in the report:
the speed of the car as it approached the checkpoint; and the nature of
communications between the Italians and U.S. forces in Iraq before the
incident.

"The soldiers were only complying with the standard operating procedures for
those checkpoints, so therefore are not culpable to dereliction of duty
(charges)," the Army official said. "Everybody feels terrible about it. But
given the climate and the security atmosphere, the security procedures at
the checkpoint operations have to be run by the letter."


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Old 03-26-2007, 07:16 PM
Wes Adams via ScubaMonster.com
 
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Default Re: OT: So much for the lying Commie Gasbag

A word of advise to future peace advocates enter a war zone
are warned to stop their car, and warning shots are fired, STOP!!

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Old 03-26-2007, 07:16 PM
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Default Re: OT: So much for the lying Commie Gasbag

IMO, they were clearly trying to engineer an incident and got more than
they bargained for... like 1 dead, 1 debunked.

-JA

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Old 03-26-2007, 07:16 PM
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Default Re: OT: So much for the lying Commie Gasbag

Horsecollar via ScubaMonster.com wrote:
> IMO, they were clearly trying to engineer an incident and got more than
> they bargained for... like 1 dead, 1 debunked.
>
> -JA
>


One of your staunchest allies and a buddy of George...yeah, right...

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Old 03-26-2007, 07:17 PM
Douglas W. \Popeye\ Frederick
 
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"Michael Wolf" <michael.wolf@advalvasstopspam.be> wrote

> So George's close buddy, Berlusconi, is a commie?


Nicola Calipari, as much of an American Hater as you are.

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Old 03-26-2007, 07:17 PM
Scott
 
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"Michael Wolf" <michael.wolf@advalvasstopspam.be> wrote in message
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> So George's close buddy, Berlusconi, is a commie?


Are you just stupid or are you simply trying to be an asshole?


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Old 03-26-2007, 07:17 PM
Michael Wolf
 
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Scott wrote:
> http://reuters.myway.com/article/200...1_N25497833_RT
> RIDST_0_NEWS-IRAQ-ITALY-USA-DC.html
>
> U.S. Clears Soldiers in Italian Agent's Iraq Death
>
> Apr 25, 4:57 PM (ET)
>
> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. investigators have found that American troops
> who shot dead an Italian agent at a Baghdad checkpoint on March 4 committed
> no wrongdoing and will not be disciplined, an Army official said on Monday.
>
> But Italy disagrees with key findings in the preliminary report by the U.S.
> military investigators and has balked at endorsing it, added the official,
> speaking on condition of anonymity.
>
> U.S. troops fatally shot the Italian intelligence officer, Nicola Calipari,
> when they opened fire on a car heading for Baghdad airport in which he was
> escorting Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena, a hostage who had just been
> released.
>
> The friendly fire incident has caused tension between the United States and
> Italy, one of America's staunchest allies in Iraq. Calipari was fatally
> wounded as he threw his body over Sgrena to protect her from a hail of
> bullets. She was wounded but survived.
>
> The Army official said Italy was disputing two factual issues in the report:
> the speed of the car as it approached the checkpoint; and the nature of
> communications between the Italians and U.S. forces in Iraq before the
> incident.
>
> "The soldiers were only complying with the standard operating procedures for
> those checkpoints, so therefore are not culpable to dereliction of duty
> (charges)," the Army official said. "Everybody feels terrible about it. But
> given the climate and the security atmosphere, the security procedures at
> the checkpoint operations have to be run by the letter."
>
>

So George's close buddy, Berlusconi, is a commie?

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Old 03-26-2007, 07:17 PM
Scott
 
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"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Buzcutt454@aol.com> wrote in message
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> "Michael Wolf" <michael.wolf@advalvasstopspam.be> wrote
>
> > So George's close buddy, Berlusconi, is a commie?

>
> Nicola Calipari, as much of an American Hater as you are.


Calipari was the intelligence officer that paid the ransom, and the price,
for the release of the Commie Gasbag Giuliana Sgrena;

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...UCRBAEZSF EY?
type=topNews&storyID=8295553

Sgrena, a veteran war correspondent for the communist newspaper Il
Manifesto, said the findings were even more disappointing than she had
expected, given the Americans had initially called the shooting an accident.
"Now they're not even talking about an accident, at least according to the
reports, but it seems they want to lay all the blame on the Italians,"
Sgrena told TG3 television.

http://www.ilmanifesto.it/vauro/vauro.gif




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Old 03-26-2007, 07:17 PM
Dennis \(Icarus\)
 
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"Michael Wolf" <michael.wolf@advalvasstopspam.be> wrote in message
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> Scott wrote:
> >

http://reuters.myway.com/article/200...1_N25497833_RT
> > RIDST_0_NEWS-IRAQ-ITALY-USA-DC.html
> >
> > U.S. Clears Soldiers in Italian Agent's Iraq Death
> >
> > Apr 25, 4:57 PM (ET)
> >
> > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. investigators have found that American

troops
> > who shot dead an Italian agent at a Baghdad checkpoint on March 4

committed
> > no wrongdoing and will not be disciplined, an Army official said on

Monday.
> >
> > But Italy disagrees with key findings in the preliminary report by the

U.S.
> > military investigators and has balked at endorsing it, added the

official,
> > speaking on condition of anonymity.
> >
> > U.S. troops fatally shot the Italian intelligence officer, Nicola

Calipari,
> > when they opened fire on a car heading for Baghdad airport in which he

was
> > escorting Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena, a hostage who had just

been
> > released.
> >
> > The friendly fire incident has caused tension between the United States

and
> > Italy, one of America's staunchest allies in Iraq. Calipari was fatally
> > wounded as he threw his body over Sgrena to protect her from a hail of
> > bullets. She was wounded but survived.
> >
> > The Army official said Italy was disputing two factual issues in the

report:
> > the speed of the car as it approached the checkpoint; and the nature of
> > communications between the Italians and U.S. forces in Iraq before the
> > incident.
> >
> > "The soldiers were only complying with the standard operating procedures

for
> > those checkpoints, so therefore are not culpable to dereliction of duty
> > (charges)," the Army official said. "Everybody feels terrible about it.

But
> > given the climate and the security atmosphere, the security procedures

at
> > the checkpoint operations have to be run by the letter."
> >
> >

> So George's close buddy, Berlusconi, is a commie?


I believe Scott was referring to "Giuliana Sgrena", a reporter for Il
Manifesto - a communist newspaper. I guess it is possible for Giuliana,
working for a communist newspaper, and whose father is a member of the
communist party to be a Goldwater-type conservative, but I think it more
likely that she'd be communist also.

http://www.ilmanifesto.it/pag/sgrena/en/
"The car kept on the road, going under an underpass full of puddles and
almost losing control to avoid them. We all incredibly laughed. It was
liberating. Losing control of the car in a street full of water in Baghdad
and maybe wind up in a bad car accident after all I had been through would
really be a tale I would not be able to tell."

Hmmm.....if one is driving slowly, it'd be no problem avoiding puddles of
water, y'think?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2005Mar5.html
She claims "We weren't going very fast, given the circumstances.". Thats
kind of vague.

This is interesting. In the washington post interview, she says "It was not
a checkpoint, but a patrol that started firing right after lighting up a
spotlight. "

Yet in the BBC interview, she says:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4324251.stm

When did you become aware that your car was being fired at?

We had no signal. We were just on the way to the airport. They started to
shoot at us without any light or signal. There was no block, there was
nothing. It was so immediate. I didn't know how I was alive after all that
attack.


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Old 03-26-2007, 07:17 PM
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"Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote in
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> "Michael Wolf" <michael.wolf@advalvasstopspam.be> wrote in message
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>> So George's close buddy, Berlusconi, is a commie?

>
> Are you just stupid or are you simply trying to be an asshole?


What a coincidence: I was thinking just the same about you.



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