My trip in the Cozumel Chamber

"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote:

> "Salty" <babette7401@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > **RULE #1** From this trip forward, I will start hydrating my body two
> > to three weeks before a dive trip.
> >
> > This rule is useless to me and it's absolute nonsense to almost every
> > one else. There is no need to hydrate yourself out of the ordinary
> > before a dive trip to ward off problems...

Agreed Salty. I read his entire account and noticed that every beverage
he drank was a diuretic.


> I think it's all the crap he eats. An Egg McMuffin, candy bars, a
> cheeseburger, nachos, and Cokes, it's a wonder he didn't have a coronary.
>
> It sounds to me like he had a TIA. "Other less common symptoms include:
> Sudden nausea, fever and vomiting - distinguished from a viral illness by
> the speed of onset (minutes or hours vs. several days)." "TIA is a
> Transient Ischemic Attack or episode whereby symptoms of stroke appear for
> only a very short while and then disappear. The word "ischemic" means there
> is a local and temporary obstruction of the circulation. "Transient" means
> that symptoms are temporary and will soon go away."

YMMV. To me, between noticing that he had a rapid ascent and puking
that was more likely the result of vertigo from some sort of ear trauma,
I'd shy away from the more exotic explanations...just as the local dive
op did (who assumed it was food poisoning).


> BTW, I am taking a red-eye on the way to Puerto Rico, one week from today.


Enjoy.


-hh

chuck wrote:
> I was recently bent in Cozumel and this is my story, if it helps keep
one
> person from going through what I did then it is worth it.

Good story Chuck, but I think the lesson to be learned is to recognize
the symptoms that you had for what they indicate, which is a serious
Type II vestibular hit. This is not the kind of hit that is usually
associated with dehydration, tiredness or whatever - it suggests a
shunt, especially with the profile you posted. I would get checked for
a PFO before diving again.

I'm very glad that there was someone who recognized this and got you to
someone else who knows how to treat it. I hope your recovery is
complete, and that you will find out if you have a condition that puts
you at increased risk before you dive again.

Lee Bell <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> wrote:

> > **RULE #4** I will never step one foot on another dive boat without
> > first asking, 1. Do you have oxygen on board this boat. 2. Is the
> > bottle full. 3. Do you know how to use it?
>
> > Oh God Bless You. You might be the first one recently to question how
> > the ppl died on Peter Huges boat in Belize and to suggest that ppl ask
> > about what safety measures are around on the boat that they pay to have
> > their asses hauled around for dives.
>
> You're going to make youself real unpopular asking somebody if they know how
> to use the O2 you have confirmed they brought. Expect answers like "you
> breathe it," is there something more you need to know?

Having used quite a number of different dive boats I feel that this one
is OK. Dive boat crew change often and there is no reason to assume that
they have been trained with the setup used on that boat. There are
enough diffrent setups for delivering surface O2, and some of them are
not intuitive, that it a reasonable question to ask.

If I got answers as you suggest I would question the professionalism of
the boat and if I wanted to use them. The question is good and deserves
a good, not facetious, answer.

>
> For most dive trips, it's enough to understand what safety equipment is and
> where it is. Safety equipment, to be worth anything, has to be obvious and,
> if it is, an astute passenger can verify it's there for themselves.


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"Salty" wrote

> Naaa. I'm just saying that Peter Hughes still has not produced an
> explanation in the way of a court document to speak about that
> incident. He still has not had to face the Belize government
> inquiry.... the one that they said would occur from the official
> government investigation. The government of Belize has not put forth
> any investigation to date, even though they promised they would. So
> twenty some ppl are dead.

Since I've read the official report on this incident, at least part of what
you are saying is incorrect. The Belize government did an investigation,
they drew conclusions and they issued a public report.

> He thought it was ludicrous that they had a hurricane
> party.

If you're talking about on board the boat, then my friend, who was one of
the survivors of the tragedy, thought it would have been crazy too. He says
it didn't happen.

Greg Mossman wrote:
> "Salty" <babette7401@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1110602501.652164.312880@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...

<snipping at random>


> > **RULE #1** From this trip forward, I will start hydrating my body
two
> > to three weeks before a dive trip.

> I think it's all the crap he eats. An Egg McMuffin, candy bars, a
> cheeseburger, nachos, and Cokes, it's a wonder he didn't have a
coronary.

LOL !!

> My reason is because I drink too much on the plane. And because,
coming
> from the west coast, it's always too late to dive in the Caribbean
unless I
> take a red-eye from home. Otherwise it's a completely silly notion.
If
> anything, acclimation to the ambient cabin pressure should reduce the
chance
> of DCS.
>
> BTW, I am taking a red-eye on the way to Puerto Rico, one week from
today.
> We arrive at 9 a.m. or something like that and even I might not be
drinking
> yet that early. But I won't be diving that day because I'm also
really lazy
> and getting to the hotel, unpacking, gathering the gear, and trying
to make
> an afternoon dive will be too much work since we're not staying at a
dive
> resort. So I have all Sunday to hydrate myself with margaritas
before
> taking the plunge Monday morning.

LOL ! Gotta love it. How was that ??


> > **RULE #4** I will never step one foot on another dive boat without
> > first asking, 1. Do you have oxygen on board this boat. 2. Is the
> > bottle full. 3. Do you know how to use it?
> >
> > Oh God Bless You. You might be the first one recently to question
how
> > the ppl died on Peter Huges boat in Belize and to suggest that ppl
ask
> > about what safety measures are around on the boat that they pay to
have
> > their asses hauled around for dives.
>
> Are you now claiming that Peter Hughes didn't have O2 on the Wave
Dancer?

Naaa. I'm just saying that Peter Hughes still has not produced an
explanation in the way of a court document to speak about that
incident. He still has not had to face the Belize government
inquiry.... the one that they said would occur from the official
government investigation. The government of Belize has not put forth
any investigation to date, even though they promised they would. So
twenty some ppl are dead.

> BTW, a guy on my Thailand trip was in the same Virginia dive club as
the
> Wave Dancer victims. He thought it was ludicrous that they had a
hurricane
> party. I gave that a lot of thought during our tsunami party, while
we were
> anchored in the dark deep waters far out in Phuket Bay instead of at
the
> dock the night before disembarking because there were warnings of
subsequent
> waves to come. But the idea of dying sober sounded too tragic so the
party
> continued on.

Cool. LMAO

>
> > **RULE #5** Before every dive when checking your equipment also
> > evaluate your body. Are you tired, dehydrated, anxious, nervous
> > anything that you can think of. After the dive revaluate your body.
Are
> > there any changes, if so you need to be checked! The dives are
setup to
> > stop or prevent any changes in your body, with the possible
exception
> > of slight fatigue, but over fatigue is a signal.
>
> > I must not understand. You mean to tell me that **before** this
> > incident with you, it never occured to you to think about your body
> > reaction and how you felt before a dive ??!!
>
> Yeah sure. And besides, how are you supposed to tell whether you are
too
> tired, dehydrated, anxious, or nervous when you're still really
hungover
> from the night before? If I didn't get in the water on the first
dive of
> the morning without a headache, nausea, light sensitivity, and
extreme
> malaise, I'd think something was wrong with me and call a doctor.


Hey... there ya go. BTW, I been told about your tsumani stint. I'm
glad that you're alive to tell about it and that no harm has come to
you. Nice to see ya here live and well Greg.

"Salty" <babette7401@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1111917846.345071.223350@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...

>> resort. So I have all Sunday to hydrate myself with margaritas
> before
>> taking the plunge Monday morning.
>
> LOL ! Gotta love it. How was that ??

I stuck with rum instead. Fell asleep by happy hour. Red eye flights suck.

If you've read the official report, then please tell us where we can
get a copy !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: on the boat, you and I and talking the same man my friend.