Diving in Palau

Daniel Kessler wrote:
> Reef Fish wrote:
>
> You missed the giant clams?
>
> Did I miss something this interchange of dialogue?

I would say so, and completely disoriented about THIS thread.

That was my question to bullshark:

bullshark wrote:
> Reef Fish wrote:
> > bullshark wrote:
> > I did a shore dive at PPR because I had much better dives on the
> > liveaboard ahead. It was surprisingly GOOD! Visibility wasn't much
> > to crow about, but I saw some giant clams (a foot or two in size), and
> > some colorful Pacific Reef Fishes on that shore dive.

RF> You were complaining about your boat dive. I was comparing it
with
RF> the FREEBIE, your description below notwithstanding. You missed
RF> the giant clams?

Even if you (Daniel Kessler) is revealing that you ARE bullshark, I
was referring to bullshark's current Palau trip, and why should I care
or recall that Daniel Kessler had seen the clams I saw at PPR?


> I recall the giant claims on my
> trip to Palau some years ago in the mid-80's, but didn't I learn that they were
> subsequently stolen by Taiwanese fishermen. If true, that would have been a tragedy,
> since their mantels (?) were of many extraordinary vivid colors.

Yes, you are completely OUT OF DATE too. I was at the PPR doing
the shore dive at the 1997 Christmas about which I had posted

RF> On TWO different occasions in my recent Palau/Yap trip I wished I
had
RF> my fins with standard booties: (1) shore diving at the PPR hotel
-- my
RF> feet were too tender to negotiate the 10-20 ft of entry with what
appeared
RF> to be razor-sharp shells/coral,

I dived Palau at least twice after 1997, each time staying at the PPR,
but
I didn't post about my shore dives there on those later occasions.
This was posted in 1999:

Greg Gulik> I can't say enough good things about diving in Palau
Greg Gulik> as well as the Sun Dancer II crew.

RF> I agree. Did it again in 1999.

In 2001, I posted this:

Matt Ando > Has anyone here ever stayed at the Palau Pacific Resort?

RF > I am sure lots of readers on this ng have. I've stayed there in
1997,
RF > 1999, and will stay there next month.

So. Daniel, I've been at the PPR three times since 1997, and you were
there LAST time in the mid-1980s? Old Man, you must be getting very
senile to have made your statement in response to what I said to
bullshark in 2006!

-- Reef Fish Bob.

> > > >Flying to Bali (or back) on CO is pure hell.
> >
> > I said that.
> > >
> > > Going to Bali by Singapore is not the best choice.
> >
> > Why not? Direct flight to SIN, and a connecting flight to DPS.
> > >
> > > LAX-TPE-DPS - 19 hours total air time - two planes.
> > > Coming East is always bad.
> >
> > That was why I said YOUR flight EWR-HKG was a bad way to go.
> > >
> > > > The next generation of flying -- the Airbus 780 had its debut landing
> > > > in Kowloon (Hong Kong) yesterday on its test flight (with the crew of 78).
> > > > It's passenger capacity is over 800.
> > >
> > > Do you mean the A380? Or are those bankrupt jerks trying to design
> > > another behemoth that nobody wants? They are behind schedule, over
> > > budget, overweight and airlines are cancelling orders for the 380 right
> > > and left. If they ahve another one in the works they eill likely be Out
> > > of Business before they deliver it.
> > >
> > > bullshark
> >
> > Yes, it was my typo for A380.
> >
> > So, you got me on a typo and an omission of "bay" in Manta Ray Bay
> > Resort,
> > while you didn't even remember that you called it "Manta Ray Bay"
> > WITHOUT
> > the "Resort". You were wrong on all other accounts.
> >
> > Not bad for someone who seldom travel anywhere though, bullshark.
> >
> > -- Reef Fish Bob.

Daniel Kessler wrote:
> Reef Fish wrote:
>
> You missed the giant clams?
>
> Did I miss something this interchange of dialogue?

I would say so, and completely disoriented about THIS thread.

That was my question to bullshark:

bullshark wrote:
> Reef Fish wrote:
> > bullshark wrote:
> > I did a shore dive at PPR because I had much better dives on the
> > liveaboard ahead. It was surprisingly GOOD! Visibility wasn't much
> > to crow about, but I saw some giant clams (a foot or two in size), and
> > some colorful Pacific Reef Fishes on that shore dive.

RF> You were complaining about your boat dive. I was comparing it
with
RF> the FREEBIE, your description below notwithstanding. You missed
RF> the giant clams?

Even if you (Daniel Kessler) is revealing that you ARE bullshark, I
was referring to bullshark's current Palau trip, and why should I care
or recall that Daniel Kessler had seen the clams I saw at PPR?


> I recall the giant claims on my
> trip to Palau some years ago in the mid-80's, but didn't I learn that they were
> subsequently stolen by Taiwanese fishermen. If true, that would have been a tragedy,
> since their mantels (?) were of many extraordinary vivid colors.

Yes, you are completely OUT OF DATE too. I was at the PPR doing
the shore dive at the 1997 Christmas about which I had posted

RF> On TWO different occasions in my recent Palau/Yap trip I wished I
had
RF> my fins with standard booties: (1) shore diving at the PPR hotel
-- my
RF> feet were too tender to negotiate the 10-20 ft of entry with what
appeared
RF> to be razor-sharp shells/coral,

I dived Palau at least twice after 1997, each time staying at the PPR,
but
I didn't post about my shore dives there on those later occasions.
This was posted in 1999:

Greg Gulik> I can't say enough good things about diving in Palau
Greg Gulik> as well as the Sun Dancer II crew.

RF> I agree. Did it again in 1999.

In 2001, I posted this:

Matt Ando > Has anyone here ever stayed at the Palau Pacific Resort?

RF > I am sure lots of readers on this ng have. I've stayed there in
1997,
RF > 1999, and will stay there next month.

So. Daniel, I've been at the PPR three times since 1997, and you were
there LAST time in the mid-1980s? Old Man, you must be getting very
senile to have made your statement in response to what I said to
bullshark in 2006!

-- Reef Fish Bob.

> > > >Flying to Bali (or back) on CO is pure hell.
> >
> > I said that.
> > >
> > > Going to Bali by Singapore is not the best choice.
> >
> > Why not? Direct flight to SIN, and a connecting flight to DPS.
> > >
> > > LAX-TPE-DPS - 19 hours total air time - two planes.
> > > Coming East is always bad.
> >
> > That was why I said YOUR flight EWR-HKG was a bad way to go.
> > >
> > > > The next generation of flying -- the Airbus 780 had its debut landing
> > > > in Kowloon (Hong Kong) yesterday on its test flight (with the crew of 78).
> > > > It's passenger capacity is over 800.
> > >
> > > Do you mean the A380? Or are those bankrupt jerks trying to design
> > > another behemoth that nobody wants? They are behind schedule, over
> > > budget, overweight and airlines are cancelling orders for the 380 right
> > > and left. If they ahve another one in the works they eill likely be Out
> > > of Business before they deliver it.
> > >
> > > bullshark
> >
> > Yes, it was my typo for A380.
> >
> > So, you got me on a typo and an omission of "bay" in Manta Ray Bay
> > Resort,
> > while you didn't even remember that you called it "Manta Ray Bay"
> > WITHOUT
> > the "Resort". You were wrong on all other accounts.
> >
> > Not bad for someone who seldom travel anywhere though, bullshark.
> >
> > -- Reef Fish Bob.

Thus spake PJ <spectre@tampabay.rr.com> :

>Try taking Benadryl (that's what the USAF gave us aviators when were
>passengers on a transport or commercial flight when we had long West
>to East hops so we could rest and fly awake upon arrive), It actually
>works to combat jet lag quite well! Give it a shot!

When I flew west to Australia, I stayed up for the whole flight. Left
at about 1:30 in the afternoon and arrived about 8:30 in the evening.
By the time I cleared customs, got a taxi and checked in at the hotel,
it was 10:00. Took an Ambien, hopped in bed and woke up 8 hours
later, fresh and ready. Carol and crew arrived at the hotel around
9:00 am, totally exhausted and lagged out. Since the other's rooms
weren't ready, they all took a shower in our room and headed out, but
everybody else had trouble until the next day. So if you can, get an
afternoon flight out and try that trick.

Heading home, I don't know what the trick is. I took an Ambien after
dinner and slept for about 8 hours, but it didn't seem to help. And
the lady sitting next to me was trying to cough up a lung. Apparently
she had a viral infection, according to my doctor, who treated me
symptomatically.

I've heard that getting plenty of sunlight during the day will help
the jet lag. My psych says standing out in the sunlight without
sunglasses for about an hour will help adjust.

>
>On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 19:53:10 GMT, Daniel Kessler
><dkessler@pop.cybernex.net> wrote:
>
>>true...the return to the U.S.A. (New York in my case) is a killer for me!
>>Somehow, going out there isn't so bad. But if it is Palau, I would prefer
>>the non-stop flight to Tokyo from JFK and then on to Guam where I would
>>overnight and then to Palau the next morning. I've done it the other way via
>>Honolulu, but it takes forever and is much more exhausting. For East Coast
>>people, I think that's the best route to Palau.
>>
>>Greg Mossman wrote:
>>
>>> "bullshark" <bullshark@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1163889933.378117.237850@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>>>
>>> > The flights to Palau were arduous...far worse than flying to Bali.
>>>
>>> You think getting out there was bad? Wait until the return flights: two
>>> red-eyes in a row. You'll have jet lag from hell, I promise.
--
dillon

If you can't figure out how to unmunge my
address, email me and I'll explain it.

Thus spake PJ <spectre@tampabay.rr.com> :

>Try taking Benadryl (that's what the USAF gave us aviators when were
>passengers on a transport or commercial flight when we had long West
>to East hops so we could rest and fly awake upon arrive), It actually
>works to combat jet lag quite well! Give it a shot!

When I flew west to Australia, I stayed up for the whole flight. Left
at about 1:30 in the afternoon and arrived about 8:30 in the evening.
By the time I cleared customs, got a taxi and checked in at the hotel,
it was 10:00. Took an Ambien, hopped in bed and woke up 8 hours
later, fresh and ready. Carol and crew arrived at the hotel around
9:00 am, totally exhausted and lagged out. Since the other's rooms
weren't ready, they all took a shower in our room and headed out, but
everybody else had trouble until the next day. So if you can, get an
afternoon flight out and try that trick.

Heading home, I don't know what the trick is. I took an Ambien after
dinner and slept for about 8 hours, but it didn't seem to help. And
the lady sitting next to me was trying to cough up a lung. Apparently
she had a viral infection, according to my doctor, who treated me
symptomatically.

I've heard that getting plenty of sunlight during the day will help
the jet lag. My psych says standing out in the sunlight without
sunglasses for about an hour will help adjust.

>
>On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 19:53:10 GMT, Daniel Kessler
><dkessler@pop.cybernex.net> wrote:
>
>>true...the return to the U.S.A. (New York in my case) is a killer for me!
>>Somehow, going out there isn't so bad. But if it is Palau, I would prefer
>>the non-stop flight to Tokyo from JFK and then on to Guam where I would
>>overnight and then to Palau the next morning. I've done it the other way via
>>Honolulu, but it takes forever and is much more exhausting. For East Coast
>>people, I think that's the best route to Palau.
>>
>>Greg Mossman wrote:
>>
>>> "bullshark" <bullshark@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1163889933.378117.237850@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>>>
>>> > The flights to Palau were arduous...far worse than flying to Bali.
>>>
>>> You think getting out there was bad? Wait until the return flights: two
>>> red-eyes in a row. You'll have jet lag from hell, I promise.
--
dillon

If you can't figure out how to unmunge my
address, email me and I'll explain it.

Thus spake PJ <spectre@tampabay.rr.com> :

>Try taking Benadryl (that's what the USAF gave us aviators when were
>passengers on a transport or commercial flight when we had long West
>to East hops so we could rest and fly awake upon arrive), It actually
>works to combat jet lag quite well! Give it a shot!

When I flew west to Australia, I stayed up for the whole flight. Left
at about 1:30 in the afternoon and arrived about 8:30 in the evening.
By the time I cleared customs, got a taxi and checked in at the hotel,
it was 10:00. Took an Ambien, hopped in bed and woke up 8 hours
later, fresh and ready. Carol and crew arrived at the hotel around
9:00 am, totally exhausted and lagged out. Since the other's rooms
weren't ready, they all took a shower in our room and headed out, but
everybody else had trouble until the next day. So if you can, get an
afternoon flight out and try that trick.

Heading home, I don't know what the trick is. I took an Ambien after
dinner and slept for about 8 hours, but it didn't seem to help. And
the lady sitting next to me was trying to cough up a lung. Apparently
she had a viral infection, according to my doctor, who treated me
symptomatically.

I've heard that getting plenty of sunlight during the day will help
the jet lag. My psych says standing out in the sunlight without
sunglasses for about an hour will help adjust.

>
>On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 19:53:10 GMT, Daniel Kessler
><dkessler@pop.cybernex.net> wrote:
>
>>true...the return to the U.S.A. (New York in my case) is a killer for me!
>>Somehow, going out there isn't so bad. But if it is Palau, I would prefer
>>the non-stop flight to Tokyo from JFK and then on to Guam where I would
>>overnight and then to Palau the next morning. I've done it the other way via
>>Honolulu, but it takes forever and is much more exhausting. For East Coast
>>people, I think that's the best route to Palau.
>>
>>Greg Mossman wrote:
>>
>>> "bullshark" <bullshark@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1163889933.378117.237850@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>>>
>>> > The flights to Palau were arduous...far worse than flying to Bali.
>>>
>>> You think getting out there was bad? Wait until the return flights: two
>>> red-eyes in a row. You'll have jet lag from hell, I promise.
--
dillon

If you can't figure out how to unmunge my
address, email me and I'll explain it.

Thus spake PJ <spectre@tampabay.rr.com> :

>Try taking Benadryl (that's what the USAF gave us aviators when were
>passengers on a transport or commercial flight when we had long West
>to East hops so we could rest and fly awake upon arrive), It actually
>works to combat jet lag quite well! Give it a shot!

When I flew west to Australia, I stayed up for the whole flight. Left
at about 1:30 in the afternoon and arrived about 8:30 in the evening.
By the time I cleared customs, got a taxi and checked in at the hotel,
it was 10:00. Took an Ambien, hopped in bed and woke up 8 hours
later, fresh and ready. Carol and crew arrived at the hotel around
9:00 am, totally exhausted and lagged out. Since the other's rooms
weren't ready, they all took a shower in our room and headed out, but
everybody else had trouble until the next day. So if you can, get an
afternoon flight out and try that trick.

Heading home, I don't know what the trick is. I took an Ambien after
dinner and slept for about 8 hours, but it didn't seem to help. And
the lady sitting next to me was trying to cough up a lung. Apparently
she had a viral infection, according to my doctor, who treated me
symptomatically.

I've heard that getting plenty of sunlight during the day will help
the jet lag. My psych says standing out in the sunlight without
sunglasses for about an hour will help adjust.

>
>On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 19:53:10 GMT, Daniel Kessler
><dkessler@pop.cybernex.net> wrote:
>
>>true...the return to the U.S.A. (New York in my case) is a killer for me!
>>Somehow, going out there isn't so bad. But if it is Palau, I would prefer
>>the non-stop flight to Tokyo from JFK and then on to Guam where I would
>>overnight and then to Palau the next morning. I've done it the other way via
>>Honolulu, but it takes forever and is much more exhausting. For East Coast
>>people, I think that's the best route to Palau.
>>
>>Greg Mossman wrote:
>>
>>> "bullshark" <bullshark@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1163889933.378117.237850@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>>>
>>> > The flights to Palau were arduous...far worse than flying to Bali.
>>>
>>> You think getting out there was bad? Wait until the return flights: two
>>> red-eyes in a row. You'll have jet lag from hell, I promise.
--
dillon

If you can't figure out how to unmunge my
address, email me and I'll explain it.

Dillon Pyron wrote:
> Thus spake PJ <spectre@tampabay.rr.com> :
>
> >Try taking Benadryl (that's what the USAF gave us aviators when were
> >passengers on a transport or commercial flight when we had long West
> >to East hops so we could rest and fly awake upon arrive), It actually
> >works to combat jet lag quite well! Give it a shot!
>
> When I flew west to Australia, I stayed up for the whole flight.
< detail snipped>
My record total real time flight(s) with less than 2 hrs connection
per stop (except Singapore) totaled 52 hours from Bali. But I
got to snooze on the 8 hr, 10 hr, 6 hr segments.

But the time I got home, my body couldn't care less what real time
it was. I just let the biological clock dictate when and what I do.

> I've heard that getting plenty of sunlight during the day will help
> the jet lag. My psych says standing out in the sunlight without
> sunglasses for about an hour will help adjust.

Sunlight is the popular theory.

Since I don't have to w*rk, and day or night or the day of the week
makes no difference to me, I've learned to use the clock only for
events that RUN according to the clock at the local location. I've
been back from Hong Kong for a week now, and my body still
thinks its Hong Kong time (13 hrs different) and I am just as happy
about it to be able to doing lots of things at midnight (HK or Shanghai
time).

-- Reef Fish Bob.

Dillon Pyron wrote:
> Thus spake PJ <spectre@tampabay.rr.com> :
>
> >Try taking Benadryl (that's what the USAF gave us aviators when were
> >passengers on a transport or commercial flight when we had long West
> >to East hops so we could rest and fly awake upon arrive), It actually
> >works to combat jet lag quite well! Give it a shot!
>
> When I flew west to Australia, I stayed up for the whole flight.
< detail snipped>
My record total real time flight(s) with less than 2 hrs connection
per stop (except Singapore) totaled 52 hours from Bali. But I
got to snooze on the 8 hr, 10 hr, 6 hr segments.

But the time I got home, my body couldn't care less what real time
it was. I just let the biological clock dictate when and what I do.

> I've heard that getting plenty of sunlight during the day will help
> the jet lag. My psych says standing out in the sunlight without
> sunglasses for about an hour will help adjust.

Sunlight is the popular theory.

Since I don't have to w*rk, and day or night or the day of the week
makes no difference to me, I've learned to use the clock only for
events that RUN according to the clock at the local location. I've
been back from Hong Kong for a week now, and my body still
thinks its Hong Kong time (13 hrs different) and I am just as happy
about it to be able to doing lots of things at midnight (HK or Shanghai
time).

-- Reef Fish Bob.

Dillon Pyron wrote:
> Thus spake PJ <spectre@tampabay.rr.com> :
>
> >Try taking Benadryl (that's what the USAF gave us aviators when were
> >passengers on a transport or commercial flight when we had long West
> >to East hops so we could rest and fly awake upon arrive), It actually
> >works to combat jet lag quite well! Give it a shot!
>
> When I flew west to Australia, I stayed up for the whole flight.
< detail snipped>
My record total real time flight(s) with less than 2 hrs connection
per stop (except Singapore) totaled 52 hours from Bali. But I
got to snooze on the 8 hr, 10 hr, 6 hr segments.

But the time I got home, my body couldn't care less what real time
it was. I just let the biological clock dictate when and what I do.

> I've heard that getting plenty of sunlight during the day will help
> the jet lag. My psych says standing out in the sunlight without
> sunglasses for about an hour will help adjust.

Sunlight is the popular theory.

Since I don't have to w*rk, and day or night or the day of the week
makes no difference to me, I've learned to use the clock only for
events that RUN according to the clock at the local location. I've
been back from Hong Kong for a week now, and my body still
thinks its Hong Kong time (13 hrs different) and I am just as happy
about it to be able to doing lots of things at midnight (HK or Shanghai
time).

-- Reef Fish Bob.

Dillon Pyron wrote:
> Thus spake PJ <spectre@tampabay.rr.com> :
>
> >Try taking Benadryl (that's what the USAF gave us aviators when were
> >passengers on a transport or commercial flight when we had long West
> >to East hops so we could rest and fly awake upon arrive), It actually
> >works to combat jet lag quite well! Give it a shot!
>
> When I flew west to Australia, I stayed up for the whole flight.
< detail snipped>
My record total real time flight(s) with less than 2 hrs connection
per stop (except Singapore) totaled 52 hours from Bali. But I
got to snooze on the 8 hr, 10 hr, 6 hr segments.

But the time I got home, my body couldn't care less what real time
it was. I just let the biological clock dictate when and what I do.

> I've heard that getting plenty of sunlight during the day will help
> the jet lag. My psych says standing out in the sunlight without
> sunglasses for about an hour will help adjust.

Sunlight is the popular theory.

Since I don't have to w*rk, and day or night or the day of the week
makes no difference to me, I've learned to use the clock only for
events that RUN according to the clock at the local location. I've
been back from Hong Kong for a week now, and my body still
thinks its Hong Kong time (13 hrs different) and I am just as happy
about it to be able to doing lots of things at midnight (HK or Shanghai
time).

-- Reef Fish Bob.