Re: Darwin claims one in Miami

"Popeye" <Popeye@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in message news:...
>
> "Charlie Hammond" <hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com> wrote in message
> news:sQ1mf.336$VM7.178@news.cpqcorp.net...
>> In article <lYadnY6SO5QEDAXenZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@wavecable.com> ,
>> "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> ..
>>>Do something about a problem that bothers you...
>>
>> You mean like discussing the problem and trying to convince people
>> that things should be changed?
>>
>> That is why I'm in this discussion.
>
> So far I've only seen you fault the police for reacting correctly in a
> difficult situation.


Passenger: Alpizar Was Agitated at Gate


Dec 8, 8:06 PM (ET)

By CURT ANDERSON


MIAMI (AP) - The passenger shot to death by air marshals in Miami had been
agitated before boarding the plane and was singing "Go Down Moses" as his
wife tried to calm him, a fellow passenger said Thursday.

"The wife was telling him, 'Calm down. Let other people get on the plane. It
will be all right,'" said Alan Tirpak.

"I thought maybe he's afraid of flying," Tirpak said.

Tirpak took his seat, and Rigoberto Alpizar, 44, and his wife eventually
boarded the plane. Then, a few minutes before the plane was to pull away,
Alpizar bolted up the aisle and onto the jetway, where two air marshals
confronted him.

<so much for the air marshals causing him to bolt>

"He was belligerent. He threatened that he had a bomb in his backpack," said
Brian Doyle, spokesman for the U.S. Homeland Security Department. "The
officers clearly identified themselves and yelled at him to 'get down, get
down.' Instead, he made a move toward the backpack."

Agents are trained to shoot to stop a threat, and the situation on the
jetway at Miami International Airport Wednesday appeared to pose one, said
John Amat, a deputy with the U.S. Marshals Service in Miami.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan also said Thursday that the two air
marshals appeared to have acted properly when they shot to kill.

Both air marshals were hired in 2002 from other federal law enforcement
agencies and are now on administrative leave, as is routine, Doyle said.
Miami-Dade Police were investigating the shooting, and the medical
examiner's office was performing an autopsy on Alpizar. Officials say there
was no bomb and they found no connection to terrorism.

Alpizar's sister-in-law, Jeanne Jentsch, read a short statement from the
family Thursday describing him as "a loving, gentle and caring husband,
uncle, son and friend." He was from Costa Rica but became a U.S. citizen
several years ago, she said.

The statement did not address Alpizar's mental condition. Other passengers
have said Alpizar's wife, Anne Buechner, said he was bipolar, a disorder
also known as manic-depression.

She was yelling "That's my husband, that's my husband - I need to get to my
husband!" Mary Gardner said. "She said, 'My husband is bipolar. He didn't
take his medicine.'"

Mike Beshears heard her say, "'My husband is sick. I've got to get my
bags.'" Then the shots rang out, and a flight attendant stopped her and
guided her to a seat, he said.

<so much for the warning from the wife>

"She was very apologetic," Beshears said of Alpizar's wife. "She was
explaining to us as we sat there in the row. She felt it was her fault, that
she had convinced him to get on board, that he wasn't ready."

Buechner did not speak publicly Thursday. She works for the Council on
Quality and Leadership based in Towson, Md., a nonprofit organization
focused on improving life for people with disabilities and mental illness,
the organization said in a statement.

Neighbors said the couple had been returning to their home in the Orlando
suburb of Maitland from a missionary trip to Ecuador.

Charles Baez, manager of the MAB Paints store in Orlando where Alpizar
worked for 12 years until taking a job at Home Depot, described him as a
health enthusiast who was always calm and patient with customers. He said he
never saw evidence of any mental problems.

"He was a quiet, reserved gentleman," Baez said Thursday. "It's very bizarre
to me that he would do anything like that."

---

Popeye wrote:

> "Popeye" <Popeye@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in message news:...
>
>>"Charlie Hammond" <hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com> wrote in message
>>news:sQ1mf.336$VM7.178@news.cpqcorp.net...
>>
>>>In article <lYadnY6SO5QEDAXenZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@wavecable.com> ,
>>>"Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>..
>>>
>>>>Do something about a problem that bothers you...
>>>
>>>You mean like discussing the problem and trying to convince people
>>>that things should be changed?
>>>
>>>That is why I'm in this discussion.
>>
>> So far I've only seen you fault the police for reacting correctly in a
>>difficult situation.
>


Is it possible that he was merely committing suicide in a strange way?


>
>
> Passenger: Alpizar Was Agitated at Gate
>
>
> Dec 8, 8:06 PM (ET)
>
> By CURT ANDERSON
>
>
> MIAMI (AP) - The passenger shot to death by air marshals in Miami had been
> agitated before boarding the plane and was singing "Go Down Moses" as his
> wife tried to calm him, a fellow passenger said Thursday.
>
> "The wife was telling him, 'Calm down. Let other people get on the plane. It
> will be all right,'" said Alan Tirpak.
>
> "I thought maybe he's afraid of flying," Tirpak said.
>
> Tirpak took his seat, and Rigoberto Alpizar, 44, and his wife eventually
> boarded the plane. Then, a few minutes before the plane was to pull away,
> Alpizar bolted up the aisle and onto the jetway, where two air marshals
> confronted him.
>
> <so much for the air marshals causing him to bolt>
>
> "He was belligerent. He threatened that he had a bomb in his backpack," said
> Brian Doyle, spokesman for the U.S. Homeland Security Department. "The
> officers clearly identified themselves and yelled at him to 'get down, get
> down.' Instead, he made a move toward the backpack."
>
> Agents are trained to shoot to stop a threat, and the situation on the
> jetway at Miami International Airport Wednesday appeared to pose one, said
> John Amat, a deputy with the U.S. Marshals Service in Miami.
>
> White House spokesman Scott McClellan also said Thursday that the two air
> marshals appeared to have acted properly when they shot to kill.
>
> Both air marshals were hired in 2002 from other federal law enforcement
> agencies and are now on administrative leave, as is routine, Doyle said.
> Miami-Dade Police were investigating the shooting, and the medical
> examiner's office was performing an autopsy on Alpizar. Officials say there
> was no bomb and they found no connection to terrorism.
>
> Alpizar's sister-in-law, Jeanne Jentsch, read a short statement from the
> family Thursday describing him as "a loving, gentle and caring husband,
> uncle, son and friend." He was from Costa Rica but became a U.S. citizen
> several years ago, she said.
>
> The statement did not address Alpizar's mental condition. Other passengers
> have said Alpizar's wife, Anne Buechner, said he was bipolar, a disorder
> also known as manic-depression.
>
> She was yelling "That's my husband, that's my husband - I need to get to my
> husband!" Mary Gardner said. "She said, 'My husband is bipolar. He didn't
> take his medicine.'"
>
> Mike Beshears heard her say, "'My husband is sick. I've got to get my
> bags.'" Then the shots rang out, and a flight attendant stopped her and
> guided her to a seat, he said.
>
> <so much for the warning from the wife>
>
> "She was very apologetic," Beshears said of Alpizar's wife. "She was
> explaining to us as we sat there in the row. She felt it was her fault, that
> she had convinced him to get on board, that he wasn't ready."
>
> Buechner did not speak publicly Thursday. She works for the Council on
> Quality and Leadership based in Towson, Md., a nonprofit organization
> focused on improving life for people with disabilities and mental illness,
> the organization said in a statement.
>
> Neighbors said the couple had been returning to their home in the Orlando
> suburb of Maitland from a missionary trip to Ecuador.
>
> Charles Baez, manager of the MAB Paints store in Orlando where Alpizar
> worked for 12 years until taking a job at Home Depot, described him as a
> health enthusiast who was always calm and patient with customers. He said he
> never saw evidence of any mental problems.
>
> "He was a quiet, reserved gentleman," Baez said Thursday. "It's very bizarre
> to me that he would do anything like that."
>
> ---
>
>


--
“The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their
neutrality in times of moral crisis.”

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I sure hope those two are on any flight I take

"dazed and confuzzed" wrote in message
news:EvadnWdCWYYcdAXenZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Is it possible that he was merely committing suicide in a strange way?

Since his wife convinced him to go on the plane, is is possible that she
wanted him killed?

"dazed and confuzzed" <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote in message
news:EvadnWdCWYYcdAXenZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Popeye wrote:
>
>> "Popeye" <Popeye@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in message news:...
>>
>>>"Charlie Hammond" <hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com> wrote in message
>>>news:sQ1mf.336$VM7.178@news.cpqcorp.net...
>>>
>>>>In article <lYadnY6SO5QEDAXenZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@wavecable.com> ,
>>>>"Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>..
>>>>
>>>>>Do something about a problem that bothers you...
>>>>
>>>>You mean like discussing the problem and trying to convince people
>>>>that things should be changed?
>>>>
>>>>That is why I'm in this discussion.
>>>
>>> So far I've only seen you fault the police for reacting correctly in a
>>> difficult situation.
>>
>
>
> Is it possible that he was merely committing suicide in a strange way?


Or was literally nagged to death.

>
>
>>
>>
>> Passenger: Alpizar Was Agitated at Gate
>>
>>
>> Dec 8, 8:06 PM (ET)
>>
>> By CURT ANDERSON
>>
>>
>> MIAMI (AP) - The passenger shot to death by air marshals in Miami had
>> been agitated before boarding the plane and was singing "Go Down Moses"
>> as his wife tried to calm him, a fellow passenger said Thursday.
>>
>> "The wife was telling him, 'Calm down. Let other people get on the plane.
>> It will be all right,'" said Alan Tirpak.
>>
>> "I thought maybe he's afraid of flying," Tirpak said.
>>
>> Tirpak took his seat, and Rigoberto Alpizar, 44, and his wife eventually
>> boarded the plane. Then, a few minutes before the plane was to pull away,
>> Alpizar bolted up the aisle and onto the jetway, where two air marshals
>> confronted him.
>>
>> <so much for the air marshals causing him to bolt>
>>
>> "He was belligerent. He threatened that he had a bomb in his backpack,"
>> said Brian Doyle, spokesman for the U.S. Homeland Security Department.
>> "The officers clearly identified themselves and yelled at him to 'get
>> down, get down.' Instead, he made a move toward the backpack."
>>
>> Agents are trained to shoot to stop a threat, and the situation on the
>> jetway at Miami International Airport Wednesday appeared to pose one,
>> said John Amat, a deputy with the U.S. Marshals Service in Miami.
>>
>> White House spokesman Scott McClellan also said Thursday that the two air
>> marshals appeared to have acted properly when they shot to kill.
>>
>> Both air marshals were hired in 2002 from other federal law enforcement
>> agencies and are now on administrative leave, as is routine, Doyle said.
>> Miami-Dade Police were investigating the shooting, and the medical
>> examiner's office was performing an autopsy on Alpizar. Officials say
>> there was no bomb and they found no connection to terrorism.
>>
>> Alpizar's sister-in-law, Jeanne Jentsch, read a short statement from the
>> family Thursday describing him as "a loving, gentle and caring husband,
>> uncle, son and friend." He was from Costa Rica but became a U.S. citizen
>> several years ago, she said.
>>
>> The statement did not address Alpizar's mental condition. Other
>> passengers have said Alpizar's wife, Anne Buechner, said he was bipolar,
>> a disorder also known as manic-depression.
>>
>> She was yelling "That's my husband, that's my husband - I need to get to
>> my husband!" Mary Gardner said. "She said, 'My husband is bipolar. He
>> didn't take his medicine.'"
>>
>> Mike Beshears heard her say, "'My husband is sick. I've got to get my
>> bags.'" Then the shots rang out, and a flight attendant stopped her and
>> guided her to a seat, he said.
>>
>> <so much for the warning from the wife>
>>
>> "She was very apologetic," Beshears said of Alpizar's wife. "She was
>> explaining to us as we sat there in the row. She felt it was her fault,
>> that she had convinced him to get on board, that he wasn't ready."
>>
>> Buechner did not speak publicly Thursday. She works for the Council on
>> Quality and Leadership based in Towson, Md., a nonprofit organization
>> focused on improving life for people with disabilities and mental
>> illness, the organization said in a statement.
>>
>> Neighbors said the couple had been returning to their home in the Orlando
>> suburb of Maitland from a missionary trip to Ecuador.
>>
>> Charles Baez, manager of the MAB Paints store in Orlando where Alpizar
>> worked for 12 years until taking a job at Home Depot, described him as a
>> health enthusiast who was always calm and patient with customers. He said
>> he never saw evidence of any mental problems.
>>
>> "He was a quiet, reserved gentleman," Baez said Thursday. "It's very
>> bizarre to me that he would do anything like that."
>>
>> ---
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their
> neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
>

In article <EvadnWdCWYYcdAXenZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
dazed and confuzzed <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> writes:

>Is it possible that he was merely committing suicide in a strange way?

Don't know his intent, but this was certainly the result.

--
Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale FL USA
(hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)
All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.

In article <jtamf.39882$%i.34102@tornado.texas.rr.com>, "Grumman-581" <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM@gmail.com> writes:
>"dazed and confuzzed" wrote in message
>news:EvadnWdCWYYcdAXenZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com ...
>> Is it possible that he was merely committing suicide in a strange way?
>
>Since his wife convinced him to go on the plane, is is possible that she
>wanted him killed?

OOh -- I smell the start of a conspiracy theory!

"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

Sometimes a crazy person does something that gets him killed.

--
Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale FL USA
(hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)
All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.

Thus spake dazed and confuzzed <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> :

>Popeye wrote:
>
>> "Popeye" <Popeye@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in message news:...
>>
>>>"Charlie Hammond" <hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com> wrote in message
>>>news:sQ1mf.336$VM7.178@news.cpqcorp.net...
>>>
>>>>In article <lYadnY6SO5QEDAXenZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@wavecable.com> ,
>>>>"Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>..
>>>>
>>>>>Do something about a problem that bothers you...
>>>>
>>>>You mean like discussing the problem and trying to convince people
>>>>that things should be changed?
>>>>
>>>>That is why I'm in this discussion.
>>>
>>> So far I've only seen you fault the police for reacting correctly in a
>>>difficult situation.
>>
>
>
>Is it possible that he was merely committing suicide in a strange way?
>

Not such a strange way that it doesn't have a name.
--
dillon

666 permissions of the beast

"Dillon Pyron" <dmpyronINVALID@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:959kp1ldeffaquipd8grnp4ch1uu1lpovq@4ax.com...

Thus spake dazed and confuzzed <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> :

> >Is it possible that he was merely committing suicide in a strange way?
> >
>
> Not such a strange way that it doesn't have a name.

Pretty effective as well, none of this "gesture" baloney.

Dillon Pyron wrote:
> Thus spake dazed and confuzzed <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> :
>
>
>>Popeye wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Popeye" <Popeye@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in message news:...
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Charlie Hammond" <hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:sQ1mf.336$VM7.178@news.cpqcorp.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In article <lYadnY6SO5QEDAXenZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@wavecable.com> ,
>>>>>"Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Do something about a problem that bothers you...
>>>>>
>>>>>You mean like discussing the problem and trying to convince people
>>>>>that things should be changed?
>>>>>
>>>>>That is why I'm in this discussion.
>>>>
>>>>So far I've only seen you fault the police for reacting correctly in a
>>>>difficult situation.
>>>
>>
>>Is it possible that he was merely committing suicide in a strange way?
>>
>
>
> Not such a strange way that it doesn't have a name.

Yeah...commonly called "suicide by cop".

As I replied to Grumman a few days ago, had it not been for where it
occurred, it would have been unnewsworthy except for the local media.

--
I have never met a liberal street cop.