Re: O.T. Propaganda Triumph

deprogrammm@MailandNews.com (Ellenestnot) wrote in message news:<2b04d629.0409020649.2346410d@posting.google. com>...

> More evidence that propaganda can get an unqualified, incapable,
> and incompetent nitwit into the White House. It is unbelievable
> that anyone thinks this idiot should be president.

Gee, Ellen, don't hold back. Tell us what you really think. Check this out:

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/pr...george-w-bush/

jim_p883@my-dejanews.com (jim) wrote in message news:<dd4cf0f3.0409041113.63bd7adf@posting.google. com>...
> deprogrammm@MailandNews.com (Ellenestnot) wrote in message news:<2b04d629.0409020649.2346410d@posting.google. com>...
>
> > More evidence that propaganda can get an unqualified, incapable,
> > and incompetent nitwit into the White House. It is unbelievable
> > that anyone thinks this idiot should be president.
>
> Gee, Ellen, don't hold back. Tell us what you really think. Check this out:
>
> http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/pr...george-w-bush/




Jim,


Did you actually read this article? The premise is that
George W. Bush is not nearly as stupid as he appears and
that his "stupid act" is a political ploy.


Which is worse?


Also, I find it odd that the author makes one small mention
of the fact that he is a "born again Christian," and fails to
say anything about W's devotion and public professions of the
most extreme form of fundamentalist, reactionary, "Apocalyptic,"
irrational, Biblical inerrantist HOGWASH.


Check this out:


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ws/jesus/view/




Ellen

Ellenestnot wrote:

> jim_p883@my-dejanews.com (jim) wrote in message
> news:<dd4cf0f3.0409041113.63bd7adf@posting.google. com>...
>> deprogrammm@MailandNews.com (Ellenestnot) wrote in message
>> news:<2b04d629.0409020649.2346410d@posting.google. com>...
>>
>> > More evidence that propaganda can get an unqualified, incapable,
>> > and incompetent nitwit into the White House. It is unbelievable
>> > that anyone thinks this idiot should be president.
>>
>> Gee, Ellen, don't hold back. Tell us what you really think. Check this
>> out:
>>
>> http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/pr...george-w-bush/
>
>
>
>
> Jim,
>
>
> Did you actually read this article? The premise is that
> George W. Bush is not nearly as stupid as he appears and
> that his "stupid act" is a political ploy.
>
>
> Which is worse?
>
>
> Also, I find it odd that the author makes one small mention
> of the fact that he is a "born again Christian," and fails to
> say anything about W's devotion and public professions of the
> most extreme form of fundamentalist, reactionary, "Apocalyptic,"
> irrational, Biblical inerrantist HOGWASH.
>
>
> Check this out:
>
>
> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ws/jesus/view/
>
>
>
>
> Ellen


i believe he actually is as stupid as most people think. rove is the major
player and has been for the bushes for years. lots of dirty tricks and what
not.

--
Love is all u need.

patrick_darcy <patrickd@grandecom.net> wrote in message news:<10jmimsigg855e2@corp.supernews.com>...
> Ellenestnot wrote:
>
> > jim_p883@my-dejanews.com (jim) wrote in message
> > news:<dd4cf0f3.0409041113.63bd7adf@posting.google. com>...
> >> deprogrammm@MailandNews.com (Ellenestnot) wrote in message
> >> news:<2b04d629.0409020649.2346410d@posting.google. com>...
> >>
> >> > More evidence that propaganda can get an unqualified, incapable,
> >> > and incompetent nitwit into the White House. It is unbelievable
> >> > that anyone thinks this idiot should be president.
> >>
> >> Gee, Ellen, don't hold back. Tell us what you really think. Check this
> >> out:
> >>
> >> http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/pr...george-w-bush/
>

> > Jim,
> >
> >
> > Did you actually read this article?

Is this a little more of your condescending persona, Ellen? At least,
for your sake, I HOPE it's only your cyber persona; if this is you
IRL, I'm sure you're a hoot at parties!!!

"Let's see Ma'm, well g-o-l-l-y, if I could just learn me my cyphers
and guzintas, then maybe I can be prezedent sometime. "


>>The premise is that
> > George W. Bush is not nearly as stupid as he appears and
> > that his "stupid act" is a political ploy.

Really, that IS the premise of the article? Premise <not that I know
what these big words might "mean", mind you>: a proposition
antecedently supposed or proved as a basis of arguement or inference.
Hmmm. Yes, the article suggests that George isn't as stupid as many
would have you believe, including yourself. But premise? I guess you
just couldn't get past that bit about what's in his noggin, huh?

Have you ever seen some one do the 'good ol' boy' act, in person. I
have, it's VERY effective, disarming, etc.

> >
> >
> > Which is worse?

You tell me, oh wise one. Do you 'think' that the link is Pro-bush?
If you do, you might need a course in 'reading for content'.

The link paints a picture of a guy with somewhat normal intellegence,
who, (in part due to the 'silver spoon' phenomena)lived his life
trying to do as little as possible, in terms of what we all might
consider 'work'. In his earlier years he is described as an outgoing,
hard drinking (possibly drug taking), womanizing individual who would
rather 'play baseball commissioner' then actually have any real
responsiblity. His 'keepers' realized that his earlier 'charisma'
(and his good ol' boy schtick) could be used as a front man for some
of their business ventures and eventually led to his, er, political
career. His hard living life style backfired with a DUI and he found
that he needed some 'direction' which is where, I guess, he found his
'irrational belief' system aka born again Christianity.

>>
> >
> > Also, I find it odd that the author makes one small mention
> > of the fact that he is a "born again Christian," and fails to
> > say anything about W's devotion and public professions of the
> > most extreme form of fundamentalist, reactionary, "Apocalyptic,"
> > irrational, Biblical inerrantist HOGWASH.

Your opinions are noted for the record.


"Have a nice day, unless you've already made other plans"

jim_p883@my-dejanews.com (jim) wrote in message news:<dd4cf0f3.0409041113.63bd7adf@posting.google. com>...
> deprogrammm@MailandNews.com (Ellenestnot) wrote in message news:<2b04d629.0409020649.2346410d@posting.google. com>...
>
> > More evidence that propaganda can get an unqualified, incapable,
> > and incompetent nitwit into the White House. It is unbelievable
> > that anyone thinks this idiot should be president.
>
> Gee, Ellen, don't hold back. Tell us what you really think. Check this out:
>
another interesting article............ There is a certain consistency
developing here.

Bush the Harvard Dunce

--His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush
not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
pathological liar.

Mary Jacoby, Salon, September 16, 2004

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20...umi/index.html

For 25 years, Yoshi Tsurumi, one of George W. Bush's professors at
Harvard Business School, was content with his green-card status as a
permanent legal resident of the United States. But Bush's ascension to
the presidency in 2001 prompted the Japanese native to secure his
American citizenship. The reason: to be able to speak out with the
full authority of citizenship about why he believes Bush lacks the
character and intellect to lead the world's oldest and most powerful
democracy.

"I don't remember all the students in detail unless I'm prompted by
something," Tsurumi said in a telephone interview Wednesday. "But I
always remember two types of students. One is the very excellent
student, the type as a professor you feel honored to be working with.
Someone with strong social values, compassion and intellect -- the
very rare person you never forget. And then you remember students like
George Bush, those who are totally the opposite."

The future president was one of 85 first-year MBA students in
Tsurumi's macroeconomic policies and international business class in
the fall of 1973 and spring of 1974. Tsurumi was a visiting associate
professor at Harvard Business School from January 1972 to August 1976;
today, he is a professor of international business at Baruch College
in New York.

Trading as usual on his father's connections, Bush entered Harvard in
1973 for a two-year program. He'd just come off what George H.W. Bush
had once called his eldest son's "nomadic years" -- partying, drifting
from job to job, working on political campaigns in Florida and Alabama
and, most famously, apparently not showing up for duty in the Alabama
National Guard.

Harvard Business School's rigorous teaching methods, in which the
professor interacts aggressively with students, and students are
encouraged to challenge each other sharply, offered important insights
into Bush, Tsurumi said. In observing students' in-class performances,
"you develop pretty good ideas about what are their weaknesses and
strengths in terms of thinking, analysis, their prejudices, their
backgrounds and other things that students reveal," he said.

One of Tsurumi's standout students was Rep. Chris Cox, R-Calif., now
the seventh-ranking member of the House Republican leadership. "I
typed him as a conservative Republican with a conscience," Tsurumi
said. "He never confused his own ideology with economics, and he
didn't try to hide his ignorance of a subject in mumbo jumbo. He was
what I call a principled conservative." (Though clearly a partisan
one. On Wednesday, Cox called for a congressional investigation of the
validity of documents that CBS News obtained for a story questioning
Bush's attendance at Guard duty in Alabama.)

Bush, by contrast, "was totally the opposite of Chris Cox," Tsurumi
said. "He showed pathological lying habits and was in denial when
challenged on his prejudices and biases. He would even deny saying
something he just said 30 seconds ago. He was famous for that.
Students jumped on him; I challenged him." When asked to explain a
particular comment, said Tsurumi, Bush would respond, "Oh, I never
said that." A White House spokeswoman did not return a phone call
seeking comment.

In 1973, as the oil and energy crisis raged, Tsurumi led a discussion
on whether government should assist retirees and other people on fixed
incomes with heating costs. Bush, he recalled, "made this ridiculous
statement and when I asked him to explain, he said, 'The government
doesn't have to help poor people -- because they are lazy.' I said,
'Well, could you explain that assumption?' Not only could he not
explain it, he started backtracking on it, saying, 'No, I didn't say
that.'"

If Cox had been in the same class, Tsurumi said, "I could have asked
him to challenge that and he would have demolished it. Not personally
or emotionally, but intellectually."

Bush once sneered at Tsurumi for showing the film "The Grapes of
Wrath," based on John Steinbeck's novel of the Depression. "We were in
a discussion of the New Deal, and he called Franklin Roosevelt's
policies 'socialism.' He denounced labor unions, the Securities and
Exchange Commission, Medicare, Social Security, you name it. He
denounced the civil rights movement as socialism. To him, socialism
and communism were the same thing. And when challenged to explain his
prejudice, he could not defend his argument, either ideologically,
polemically or academically."

Students who challenged and embarrassed Bush in class would then
become the subject of a whispering campaign by him, Tsurumi said. "In
class, he couldn't challenge them. But after class, he sometimes came
up to me in the hallway and started bad-mouthing those students who
had challenged him. He would complain that someone was drinking too
much. It was innuendo and lies. So that's how I knew, behind his smile
and his smirk, that he was a very insecure, cunning and vengeful guy."

Many of Tsurumi's students came from well-connected or wealthy
families, but good manners prevented them from boasting about it, the
professor said. But Bush seemed unabashed about the connections that
had brought him to Harvard. "The other children of the rich and famous
were at least well bred to the point of realizing universal values and
standards of behavior," Tsurumi said. But Bush sometimes came late to
class and often sat in the back row of the theater-like classroom,
wearing a bomber jacket from the Texas Air National Guard and spitting
chewing tobacco into a cup.

"At first, I wondered, 'Who is this George Bush?' It's a very common
name and I didn't know his background. And he was such a bad student
that I asked him once how he got in. He said, 'My dad has good
friends.'" Bush scored in the lowest 10 percent of the class.

The Vietnam War was still roiling campuses and Harvard was no
exception. Bush expressed strong support for the war but admitted to
Tsurumi that he'd gotten a coveted spot in the Texas Air National
Guard through his father's connections.

"I used to chat up a number of students when we were walking back to
class," Tsurumi said. "Here was Bush, wearing a Texas Guard bomber
jacket, and the draft was the No. 1 topic in those days. And I said,
'George, what did you do with the draft?' He said, 'Well, I got into
the Texas Air National Guard.' And I said, 'Lucky you. I understand
there is a long waiting list for it. How'd you get in?' When he told
me, he didn't seem ashamed or embarrassed. He thought he was entitled
to all kinds of privileges and special deals. He was not the only one
trying to twist all their connections to avoid Vietnam. But then, he
was fanatically for the war."

Tsurumi told Bush that someone who avoided a draft while supporting a
war in which others were dying was a hypocrite. "He realized he was
caught, showed his famous smirk and huffed off."

Tsurumi's conclusion: Bush is not as dumb as his detractors allege.
"He was just badly brought up, with no discipline, and no compassion,"
he said.

In recent days, Tsurumi has told his story to various print and
television outlets and appears in Kitty Kelley's exposé "The Family:
The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty." He said other professors and
students at the business school from that time share his recollections
but are afraid to come forward, fearing ostracism or retribution. And
why is Tsurumi speaking up now? Because with the ongoing bloodshed in
Iraq and Osama bin Laden still on the loose -- not to mention a
federal deficit ballooning out of control -- the stakes are too high
to remain silent. "Obviously, I don't think he is the best person" to
be running the country, he said. "I wanted to explain why."

--Mary Jacoby is Salon's Washington correspondent.