Re: George Bush Will be "Outed" and Dissed by Kitty Kelley on September 14

In article <28CdnV_3qvdUOKDcRVn-oA@accessus.net>, Joe English
<jenglish@accessusn.net> wrote:

€ Alan Street wrote:
€
€ > In article <20040906221210.15823.00000252@mb-m28.aol.com>, Popeye NCAT3
€ > <buzcutt454@aol.comByteMe> wrote:
€ >
€ > € >From: Alan Street agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com
€ > €
€ > € >€ I am sure all present would sincerely appreciate your input. You
€ > could
€ > € >€ explain to them all how Dubya murdered their Marine,
€ > € >
€ > € >He'd have far more sympathetic ears than you expect. Not all Marines
€ > € >and their families mindlessly believe everything their commanders tell
€ > € >them.
€ > €
€ > € I'm sure, Alan, that the families would rather hear -your- version of
€ > how
€ > € they died uselessly as child murdering tyrants.
€ > €
€ > €
€ >
€ > They don't need anything from me. The outcry comes from their own
€ > observations.
€
€ Do you have credible cites for this. I have never seen any.
€

Here's one:

<http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/n...999-1n27wartol
l.html>

"Joe English" <jenglish@accessusn.net> wrote in message
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> What doctors charge, or what athletes make has no bearing on this context,
> again that which you dropped. Corporate executive salaries are not the
> point. THe question was Why is a fucking attorney worth $250 to $5,000
> dollars an hour?

Because the market allows them to ask for that much money and get paid that
much. Like I said, no one needs attorneys. Unlike medicine, you are
perfectly free to practice your own law and represent yourself. If you
don't want to pay $250 an hour you can do it yourself just like a lot of
homeowners do it themselves to avoid exhorbitant plumber and electrician
charges.

Please also note that the hourly rate supports the law firm's overhead:
office space, utilities, advertising, lots of office equipment, file clerks,
receptionists, secretaries, and, just like the docs, malpractice insurance.
Plus, the higher hourly rates (and I've never seen $5,000 - $500 is rare
enough even in L.A. - in St. Louis the norm is probably closer to $200) are
reserved for the partners who may not spend too many hours on each case. A
lot of the work is done by lesser-paid associates and paralegals who charge
much more in the plumber's range, i.e. $50-$200/hour.

The bottom line is what attorneys take home in a year and how much work they
have to put in to do it. Many attorneys earn less than $100,000 a year, a
lot of them a lot less than that if they work small rural offices, public
interest law, or government law. Our nation is a nation of laws and it's
not an easy road to become an attorney. Why do you believe they aren't
worth $250 an hour when our country is willing to pay doctors, corporate
executives, and basketball players far more?

>> Uh huh. And what happens when we starting drafting Americans to
>> involuntarily serve in Bush's little war to make Halliburton rich?
>>
> So far that hasn't happened.

And it's obviously not going to happen while Bush is still campaigning.
That would lose him the election for sure. Even he isn't that dumb.

Greg Mossman wrote:

> "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:10jq4elh6656k30@corp.supernews.com...
>
>
>>Sure dont. Who threw fucking *BAGS OF PISS* on people over the RNC
>>convention?
>
>
> Piss is sterile. Stop yer whining.

I'll remember that if I ever see you.

>>And then you bitch about Bush lying, which the 9/11 panel exhonerated him
>>for.

> Right. A full pardon for each and every lie Bush has told since beginning
> his run for president.

Speaking of liars... how is Clinton doing? I hope all is well with his
heart surgery.

>>Republicans dont need dirty tricks or slander, you fuckers have slandered
>>yourselves, in thought, word, and deed.

> They just throw in the dirty tricks and slander as an afterthought?

Why not...

>>First off, I would have to say that liberals are the keepers of that
>>dogma.
>>You *mindlessly* support Kerry, simply because he isn't Bush!

> It's not really that. It's because he's better than Bush, far better.

Most of the dems I spoke to hate Bush. They can't be specific either.
When asked what has Kerry EVER done in Congress, they give you that
blank 'hate' stare. Then, I say, "4 more years" and watch them take off
into a frenzy. Funny.

>>And you do that because Bush is a republican!

> It's because he's better then Bush, far better. Not all Democrats are
> better than Republicans. Lyndon LaRouche is a self-proclaimed Democrat.
> Zell Miller is (was) too. And John McCain and Arnold Schwartznegger don't
> seem too inherently evil. But in the general case, and certainly in the
> specific case of Kerry vs. Bush, Kerry is the far, far better man and will
> make a far, far better president when he wins in November.

Zell Miller. A man that I can respect. Told it like it is. The Dems
today are not like the Kennedy's of the past. Remember Cuba? Ready for WW3?

>>I am sick of watching innocents, or military sent to help, murdered,
>>slaughtered, beheaded so that some shitbag can get his trip to heavens
>>whorehouse.

> I think Bush is angling for heaven's bar, not whorehouse. It's supposedly
> been a while since he's had a drink and he's obviously a bit tense, starting
> needless wars and all.

Ahhh.. the ad homenim starts. Meanwhile... Kerry is trying to figure out
if he was in Cambodia (he wasnt), who signed for his medals (the the "v"
on them), and whether they can remove the rice from his rear end (purple
heart stuff for sure). Now.. once again... what legislation has he ever
authored and had passed in Congress in the last 19 years?

>>Why did We get involved in Kosovo? Who did we help? Muslims.

> Right. Ragheads being murdered by Christians. It must have been the
> ragheads' fault.

Just because they call themselves "christians" doesn't mean they are. To
be a Christian is clearly defined in the Bible. Murder is not one of the
tenents of the Christian faith.

>>Who fills the mass graves in Iraq? Muslims. Who filled those graves?
>>Saddam.
>>And you want to liken Bush to Hitler?

> Was Hitler a raghead?

"mop" head? Original beatle? ;)

>>Who slaughtered school kids in Russia? Muslims.
>
> Was Stalin a raghead when he 'purged' millions?

Good answer....

>>Who slaughtered Americans and anyone near them in Nairobi, Kenya and New
>>York City (twice)? Muslims.

> A lot of Christians have slaughtered New Yorkers. Did you know that in NYC
> there were 2,245 murders just in 1990? Most of the murderers were
> Christian.

I would love to see the statistics on this. You ain't gonna get off the
hook.

>>Who kills any chance of a peace in Israel and the center of all religion?
>>Muslims.

> The center of all religioun. My aren't you an ethnocentric racist today. A
> lot of Buddhists might disagree, but they're mostly not your race so I'm
> sure you discount their views.

And.. what do they think of Christ?

>>They all want to go to paradise dying fighting infidels?

> They all? All Muslims?

You know what he meant in the context he said it.

>>FAR FUCKING OUT!

> Yep. Better kill them all before they kill you. Get your guns and go to it
> man!

Terrorists? Killers of children and people going to work? Sure...

>>You want to extend them courtesy and tolerance they will *never* extend
>>you.
>>Or your precious family. Or mine, and I'll be damned if I am going to
>>stand
>>idly by while you acquiesce to their murderous intentions!

> Yes, we should be as courteous and tolerant as you, Scott.

I hope so.

>>How about we limit the money an attorney can make on a malpractice
>>settlement?

> Many states do. California for instance.

> But why reward incompetent doctors who maim and kill with their negligence.
> It's ok to just say I'm sorry for doing your surgery hungover and
> accidentally leaving the sponge inside which got infected and meant we have
> to take out your liver and you'll never be able to drink again? Or we
> accidentally removed the wrong leg and now we'll have to remove the right
> one? What is the right price for human life?

I am sure there are definate cases of malpractice. The victim should get
most of the money. Not just 2/3rds either. The victim will be the one
with the life long problem. Not the lawyer.

>>It is being waged for the freedom of choice that you, I and Mossman enjoy,
>>being Americans.

> Uh huh. And what happens when we starting drafting Americans to
> involuntarily serve in Bush's little war to make Halliburton rich?

Wow.. any evidence for this?

>>Americans that Islam wants to destroy.

> Your ignorance is astonishing. And you really feel you deserve a raise?

I do not believe that all that hold to Islam want to kill others (mainly
USA) that disagree with their religious beliefs. But, it seems that
enough radicals have hijacked the religion of "peace" and made it a
religion of terror. All this while those that say the terrorists are
wrong basically do nothing.

But heard, half-heard in the stillness, TonyP writes --

> Zell Miller. A man that I can respect.

That babbling moron? It figures.

--
"If any question why we died
Tell them, because our fathers lied."
- Kipling (after his son was killed in WWI)

Greg Mossman wrote:
>
> "Alan Street" <agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:060920041757025505%agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com ...
>
> > But yes, many people mindlessly follow the leaders that tell them what
> > they've been wanting to hear. How do you think Hitler managed to gain
> > power?
>
> There were Republicans in Germany?

golly gee greg.
republicans are not the answer.

Joe English wrote:
>
> Alan Street wrote:
>
> > In article <20040906220947.15823.00000251@mb-m28.aol.com>, Popeye NCAT3
> > <buzcutt454@aol.comByteMe> wrote:
> >
> > € >From: Alan Street agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com
> > €
> > € >How do you think Hitler managed to gain power?
> > €
> > €
> > € By disarming the populace and stroking the democrats.
> > €
> > € How did he lose power, by the way?
> > €
> > € Was it that diplomacy you previously referenced?
> > €
> > €
> >
> > No, of course not. By the time Hitler had invaded Poland and started
> > taking over Europe, military force was the only option.
> >
> > History sometimes gives us very good lessons in when it's appropriate
> > to respond with all the force you have at your disposal. Yes, there was
> > some question at the beginning, but it became pretty clear after just a
> > few months that Hitler and the Nazi government of Germany was something
> > that needed to be stopped by any means possible. The US played the most
> > significant role in the conflict and defeated a meglomaniac that would
> > have probably destroyed the world.
> >
> > But had the German people realized this as Hitler was whipping them
> > into a frenzy, they might have been able to stop him before he
> > squandered the will and resources of a powerful country on the verge of
> > recovery. The entire world was against Hitler, yet he convinced the
> > German people that his way was right, that the West had disrespected
> > them after WWI, and marshalled them to invade a country and exterminate
> > a people that posed no threat to Germany......
>

> the diplomacy and negotiations paid off well for Chamberlain

"Peace in our time..." lasted what, 12 months?

Adolf Hitler did not keep to the promises he made to Neville
Chamberlain in September 1938.

A year later the German leader derided the agreement
as just a "scrap of paper" and invaded Poland on 1 September 1939.

force 1, negotiations 0

"Crownfield" <Crownfield@cox.net> wrote in message
news:413DE968.1A77@cox.net...
> Joe English wrote:
> >
> > Alan Street wrote:
> >
> > > In article <20040906220947.15823.00000251@mb-m28.aol.com>, Popeye
NCAT3
> > > <buzcutt454@aol.comByteMe> wrote:
> > >
> > > ? >From: Alan Street agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com
> > > ?
> > > ? >How do you think Hitler managed to gain power?
> > > ?
> > > ?
> > > ? By disarming the populace and stroking the democrats.
> > > ?
> > > ? How did he lose power, by the way?
> > > ?
> > > ? Was it that diplomacy you previously referenced?
> > > ?
> > > ?
> > >
> > > No, of course not. By the time Hitler had invaded Poland and started
> > > taking over Europe, military force was the only option.
> > >
> > > History sometimes gives us very good lessons in when it's appropriate
> > > to respond with all the force you have at your disposal. Yes, there
was
> > > some question at the beginning, but it became pretty clear after just
a
> > > few months that Hitler and the Nazi government of Germany was
something
> > > that needed to be stopped by any means possible. The US played the
most
> > > significant role in the conflict and defeated a meglomaniac that would
> > > have probably destroyed the world.
> > >
> > > But had the German people realized this as Hitler was whipping them
> > > into a frenzy, they might have been able to stop him before he
> > > squandered the will and resources of a powerful country on the verge
of
> > > recovery. The entire world was against Hitler, yet he convinced the
> > > German people that his way was right, that the West had disrespected
> > > them after WWI, and marshalled them to invade a country and
exterminate
> > > a people that posed no threat to Germany......
> >
>
> > the diplomacy and negotiations paid off well for Chamberlain
>
> "Peace in our time..." lasted what, 12 months?
>
> Adolf Hitler did not keep to the promises he made to Neville
> Chamberlain in September 1938.
>
> A year later the German leader derided the agreement
> as just a "scrap of paper" and invaded Poland on 1 September 1939.
>
> force 1, negotiations 0
You missed the bit where he went ahead & annexed all of Czechoslovakia
shortly after the Munich
"Peace in our Time" conference where Hitler got the Sudetenland.

http://www.learningcurve.gov.uk/snap...snapshot31.htm

Six months later, the German army occupied the rest of Czechoslovakia.
Appeasement had failed utterly.

He (Hitler) did not think Britain would go to war over Poland, having failed
to do so over Czechoslovakia.

Dennis

Greg Mossman wrote:
> "Joe English" <jenglish@accessusn.net> wrote in message
> news:jvidnQirV-6GNaDcRVn-rA@accessus.net...
>
>
>>What doctors charge, or what athletes make has no bearing on this context,
>>again that which you dropped. Corporate executive salaries are not the
>>point. THe question was Why is a fucking attorney worth $250 to $5,000
>>dollars an hour?
>
>
> Because the market allows them to ask for that much money and get paid that
> much. Like I said, no one needs attorneys. Unlike medicine, you are
> perfectly free to practice your own law and represent yourself. If you
> don't want to pay $250 an hour you can do it yourself just like a lot of
> homeowners do it themselves to avoid exhorbitant plumber and electrician
> charges.
>
> Please also note that the hourly rate supports the law firm's overhead:
> office space, utilities, advertising, lots of office equipment, file clerks,
> receptionists, secretaries, and, just like the docs, malpractice insurance.
> Plus, the higher hourly rates (and I've never seen $5,000 - $500 is rare
> enough even in L.A. - in St. Louis the norm is probably closer to $200) are
> reserved for the partners who may not spend too many hours on each case. A
> lot of the work is done by lesser-paid associates and paralegals who charge
> much more in the plumber's range, i.e. $50-$200/hour.
>
> The bottom line is what attorneys take home in a year and how much work they
> have to put in to do it. Many attorneys earn less than $100,000 a year, a
> lot of them a lot less than that if they work small rural offices, public
> interest law, or government law. Our nation is a nation of laws and it's
> not an easy road to become an attorney. Why do you believe they aren't
> worth $250 an hour when our country is willing to pay doctors, corporate
> executives, and basketball players far more?
>
>
>>>Uh huh. And what happens when we starting drafting Americans to
>>>involuntarily serve in Bush's little war to make Halliburton rich?
>>>
>>
>>So far that hasn't happened.
>
>
> And it's obviously not going to happen while Bush is still campaigning.
> That would lose him the election for sure. Even he isn't that dumb.
>
>

oaky you answered the question. But it really isn't what the market
will bear - it is what you charge irregardless. If you need a lawyer
that is what you'll pay

"Crownfield" <Crownfield@cox.net> wrote in message
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> golly gee greg.
> republicans are not the answer.

No shit. That's why I tell everyone to vote for Kerry.

"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message
news:413e40f9$0$106$6c56adcd@news.qnet.com...
> "Crownfield" <Crownfield@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:413DE885.653F@cox.net...
>
> > golly gee greg.
> > republicans are not the answer.
>
> No shit. That's why I tell everyone to vote for Kerry.

Doesn't matter.

Here is your lying, two faced, sack of shit hero:

http://www.drudgereport.com/dncg.htm