Mozilla Thunderbird for newsgroup access?

Greetings all,

As you probabaly know, AOL is dropping their newsgroup access. I've
downloaded Mozilla Thunderbird, but I'm having a few problems. If anyone can
assist me, please send me an e-mail. Thanks in advance.
Ted

--

What we see depends mainly on what we look for. - John Lubbock

Thus spake scuba9097@aol.com (SCUBA9097) :

>Greetings all,
>
> As you probabaly know, AOL is dropping their newsgroup access. I've
>downloaded Mozilla Thunderbird, but I'm having a few problems. If anyone can
>assist me, please send me an e-mail. Thanks in advance.
>Ted

What kind of problems? Tbird is easy to use.

--
dillon

"When the French are against it, you know we can't
be far wrong." - Adm. Bobbie Ray Inman

In article <20050202143506.15433.00000394@mb-m02.aol.com>, SCUBA9097
<scuba9097@aol.com> wrote:

€ Greetings all,
€
€ As you probabaly know, AOL is dropping their newsgroup access. I've
€ downloaded Mozilla Thunderbird, but I'm having a few problems. If anyone can
€ assist me, please send me an e-mail. Thanks in advance.
€ Ted
€

Mozilla is a web browser that includes a newsreader. It's not a Usenet
account. To get an account you either need to set up an account with
someone like supernews (www.supernews.com) or set up a free account
with Google ( http://groups-beta.google.com/ ). If you use Google
(which I expect 99% of AOL'ers will do), you'll use a web browser such
as Mozilla to read and post. If you use a conventional news service,
you can either use the newsreader in Mozilla or IE, or use a dedicated
news reader such as Free Agent, etc. (I'm assuming you use Windows).

Alan

In article <hvr2019embksabuummdal49pktl43kir0n@4ax.com>, Dillon Pyron
<dmpyronINVALID@austin.rr.com> wrote:

€ Thus spake Alan Street <agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com> :
€
€ >In article <20050202143506.15433.00000394@mb-m02.aol.com>, SCUBA9097
€ ><scuba9097@aol.com> wrote:
€ >
€ >€ Greetings all,
€ >€
€ >€ As you probabaly know, AOL is dropping their newsgroup access. I've
€ >€ downloaded Mozilla Thunderbird, but I'm having a few problems. If anyone
€ >can
€ >€ assist me, please send me an e-mail. Thanks in advance.
€ >€ Ted
€ >€
€ >
€ >Mozilla is a web browser that includes a newsreader. It's not a Usenet
€ >account. To get an account you either need to set up an account with
€ >someone like supernews (www.supernews.com) or set up a free account
€ >with Google ( http://groups-beta.google.com/ ). If you use Google
€ >(which I expect 99% of AOL'ers will do), you'll use a web browser such
€ >as Mozilla to read and post. If you use a conventional news service,
€ >you can either use the newsreader in Mozilla or IE, or use a dedicated
€ >news reader such as Free Agent, etc. (I'm assuming you use Windows).
€ >
€ >Alan
€
€
€ actually, most people across Usenet are recommending
€ news.individual.net. No binaries, though. And very little spam, if
€ any.
€

You can also choose a text only option with supernews that is about
$5.00/month. I don't get the spam that the AOLers occasionaly reply to,
so it seems pretty good in that regard, as well.

€ He's using AOL. That's Windows for dummies.

I knew he was on AOL and I imagine that 99.999% of their customers use
some form of Windows. I tried it once with their Macintosh client, and
had the unusual experience of seeing my OC3 run as slow as a dial-up
connection. Good thing it was a free trial.

Alan

Thus spake Alan Street <agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com> :

>In article <20050202143506.15433.00000394@mb-m02.aol.com>, SCUBA9097
><scuba9097@aol.com> wrote:
>
>€ Greetings all,
>€
>€ As you probabaly know, AOL is dropping their newsgroup access. I've
>€ downloaded Mozilla Thunderbird, but I'm having a few problems. If anyone can
>€ assist me, please send me an e-mail. Thanks in advance.
>€ Ted
>€
>
>Mozilla is a web browser that includes a newsreader. It's not a Usenet
>account. To get an account you either need to set up an account with
>someone like supernews (www.supernews.com) or set up a free account
>with Google ( http://groups-beta.google.com/ ). If you use Google
>(which I expect 99% of AOL'ers will do), you'll use a web browser such
>as Mozilla to read and post. If you use a conventional news service,
>you can either use the newsreader in Mozilla or IE, or use a dedicated
>news reader such as Free Agent, etc. (I'm assuming you use Windows).
>
>Alan


actually, most people across Usenet are recommending
news.individual.net. No binaries, though. And very little spam, if
any.

He's using AOL. That's Windows for dummies.

--
dillon

"When the French are against it, you know we can't
be far wrong." - Adm. Bobbie Ray Inman

Thus spake Alan Street <agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com> :

>In article <hvr2019embksabuummdal49pktl43kir0n@4ax.com>, Dillon Pyron
><dmpyronINVALID@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>€ Thus spake Alan Street <agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com> :
>€
>€ >In article <20050202143506.15433.00000394@mb-m02.aol.com>, SCUBA9097
>€ ><scuba9097@aol.com> wrote:
>€ >
>€ >€ Greetings all,
>€ >€
>€ >€ As you probabaly know, AOL is dropping their newsgroup access. I've
>€ >€ downloaded Mozilla Thunderbird, but I'm having a few problems. If anyone
>€ >can
>€ >€ assist me, please send me an e-mail. Thanks in advance.
>€ >€ Ted
>€ >€
>€ >
>€ >Mozilla is a web browser that includes a newsreader. It's not a Usenet
>€ >account. To get an account you either need to set up an account with
>€ >someone like supernews (www.supernews.com) or set up a free account
>€ >with Google ( http://groups-beta.google.com/ ). If you use Google
>€ >(which I expect 99% of AOL'ers will do), you'll use a web browser such
>€ >as Mozilla to read and post. If you use a conventional news service,
>€ >you can either use the newsreader in Mozilla or IE, or use a dedicated
>€ >news reader such as Free Agent, etc. (I'm assuming you use Windows).
>€ >
>€ >Alan
>€
>€
>€ actually, most people across Usenet are recommending
>€ news.individual.net. No binaries, though. And very little spam, if
>€ any.
>€
>
>You can also choose a text only option with supernews that is about
>$5.00/month. I don't get the spam that the AOLers occasionaly reply to,
>so it seems pretty good in that regard, as well.
>
>€ He's using AOL. That's Windows for dummies.
>
>I knew he was on AOL and I imagine that 99.999% of their customers use
>some form of Windows. I tried it once with their Macintosh client, and
>had the unusual experience of seeing my OC3 run as slow as a dial-up
>connection. Good thing it was a free trial.

I'll bet they were just having trouble getting a dial tone.

OC3, huh? I just speed tested my cable modem at 3.3Mb.

And for an extra $35 a month, I could get a guaranteed 6 up, 1.5 down.

>
>Alan

--
dillon

"When the French are against it, you know we can't
be far wrong." - Adm. Bobbie Ray Inman

In article <ch8601ldlfr5v0j2ai6in8agc7s9l46m50@4ax.com>, Dillon Pyron
<dmpyronINVALID@austin.rr.com> wrote:

€ Thus spake Alan Street <agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com> :
€
€
€ >€ He's using AOL. That's Windows for dummies.
€ >
€ >I knew he was on AOL and I imagine that 99.999% of their customers use
€ >some form of Windows. I tried it once with their Macintosh client, and
€ >had the unusual experience of seeing my OC3 run as slow as a dial-up
€ >connection. Good thing it was a free trial.
€
€ I'll bet they were just having trouble getting a dial tone.
€
€ OC3, huh? I just speed tested my cable modem at 3.3Mb.

At home, I'm about 2.5Mb, which is fast enough for almost anything work
throws at me. At work, the fastest I've seen is 14Mb, but at those
speeds, the limiter is usually the speed test (our Internet connection
is actually wider than an OC3, but my building connects to the network
building via OC3).

€
€ And for an extra $35 a month, I could get a guaranteed 6 up, 1.5 down.
€

Throw in a static IP address and that would be a pretty good deal.

€ >
€ >Alan

Thus spake Alan Street <agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com> :

>In article <ch8601ldlfr5v0j2ai6in8agc7s9l46m50@4ax.com>, Dillon Pyron
><dmpyronINVALID@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>€ Thus spake Alan Street <agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com> :
>€
>€
>€ >€ He's using AOL. That's Windows for dummies.
>€ >
>€ >I knew he was on AOL and I imagine that 99.999% of their customers use
>€ >some form of Windows. I tried it once with their Macintosh client, and
>€ >had the unusual experience of seeing my OC3 run as slow as a dial-up
>€ >connection. Good thing it was a free trial.
>€
>€ I'll bet they were just having trouble getting a dial tone.
>€
>€ OC3, huh? I just speed tested my cable modem at 3.3Mb.
>
>At home, I'm about 2.5Mb, which is fast enough for almost anything work
>throws at me. At work, the fastest I've seen is 14Mb, but at those
>speeds, the limiter is usually the speed test (our Internet connection
>is actually wider than an OC3, but my building connects to the network
>building via OC3).
>
>€
>€ And for an extra $35 a month, I could get a guaranteed 6 up, 1.5 down.
>€
>
>Throw in a static IP address and that would be a pretty good deal.

That comes with "Business Class", which is like $55 a month over
standard. The $35 a month is the "Gamer" offering. With Business
class, you also get to have a web server and email server on your
connection, not that that actually stops anyone. If they did block
it, spam would go down significantly.

I just wish RR would adopt SPF.

>
>€ >
>€ >Alan

--
dillon

"When the French are against it, you know we can't
be far wrong." - Adm. Bobbie Ray Inman

Dillon Pyron wrote:
> Thus spake Alan Street <agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com> :
>
>
>>In article <ch8601ldlfr5v0j2ai6in8agc7s9l46m50@4ax.com>, Dillon Pyron
>><dmpyronINVALID@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>€ Thus spake Alan Street <agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com> :
>>€
>>€
>>€ >€ He's using AOL. That's Windows for dummies.
>>€ >
>>€ >I knew he was on AOL and I imagine that 99.999% of their customers use
>>€ >some form of Windows. I tried it once with their Macintosh client, and
>>€ >had the unusual experience of seeing my OC3 run as slow as a dial-up
>>€ >connection. Good thing it was a free trial.
>>€
>>€ I'll bet they were just having trouble getting a dial tone.
>>€
>>€ OC3, huh? I just speed tested my cable modem at 3.3Mb.
>>
>>At home, I'm about 2.5Mb, which is fast enough for almost anything work
>>throws at me. At work, the fastest I've seen is 14Mb, but at those
>>speeds, the limiter is usually the speed test (our Internet connection
>>is actually wider than an OC3, but my building connects to the network
>>building via OC3).
>>
>>€
>>€ And for an extra $35 a month, I could get a guaranteed 6 up, 1.5 down.
>>€
>>
>>Throw in a static IP address and that would be a pretty good deal.
>
>
> That comes with "Business Class", which is like $55 a month over
> standard. The $35 a month is the "Gamer" offering. With Business
> class, you also get to have a web server and email server on your
> connection, not that that actually stops anyone. If they did block
> it, spam would go down significantly.
>
> I just wish RR would adopt SPF.
>

SPF is not ready for wide distribution as it breaks many existing useful
things . Example if I am at work and send an email from my cox.net
account I use a smtp relay that is nowhere near cox.net IP range.

Without widespread deployment of authenticated relaying it is doomed to
fail and that is not even dealing with forwarding issues and mailing lists.



John

Dillon Pyron wrote:
> Thus spake John Mason Jr <notvalid@cox.net.invalid> :
>
>
>>Dillon Pyron wrote:
>>
>>>Thus spake Alan Street <agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com> :
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>In article <ch8601ldlfr5v0j2ai6in8agc7s9l46m50@4ax.com>, Dillon Pyron
>>>><dmpyronINVALID@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>€ Thus spake Alan Street <agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com> :
>>>>€
>>>>€
>>>>€ >€ He's using AOL. That's Windows for dummies.
>>>>€ >
>>>>€ >I knew he was on AOL and I imagine that 99.999% of their customers use
>>>>€ >some form of Windows. I tried it once with their Macintosh client, and
>>>>€ >had the unusual experience of seeing my OC3 run as slow as a dial-up
>>>>€ >connection. Good thing it was a free trial.
>>>>€
>>>>€ I'll bet they were just having trouble getting a dial tone.
>>>>€
>>>>€ OC3, huh? I just speed tested my cable modem at 3.3Mb.
>>>>
>>>>At home, I'm about 2.5Mb, which is fast enough for almost anything work
>>>>throws at me. At work, the fastest I've seen is 14Mb, but at those
>>>>speeds, the limiter is usually the speed test (our Internet connection
>>>>is actually wider than an OC3, but my building connects to the network
>>>>building via OC3).
>>>>
>>>>€
>>>>€ And for an extra $35 a month, I could get a guaranteed 6 up, 1.5 down.
>>>>€
>>>>
>>>>Throw in a static IP address and that would be a pretty good deal.
>>>
>>>
>>>That comes with "Business Class", which is like $55 a month over
>>>standard. The $35 a month is the "Gamer" offering. With Business
>>>class, you also get to have a web server and email server on your
>>>connection, not that that actually stops anyone. If they did block
>>>it, spam would go down significantly.
>>>
>>>I just wish RR would adopt SPF.
>>>
>>
>>SPF is not ready for wide distribution as it breaks many existing useful
>>things . Example if I am at work and send an email from my cox.net
>>account I use a smtp relay that is nowhere near cox.net IP range.
>>
>>Without widespread deployment of authenticated relaying it is doomed to
>>fail and that is not even dealing with forwarding issues and mailing lists.
>
>
> Yeah, Po says that's the biggest problem, he's working on it but
> doesn't think something will happen for a while.
>
> I've also heard of some ISPs using "message deferal". The receiving
> SMTP server sends a "deferal" to the sender. The sender says "okay"
> and retransmits. If the sender is a zombie, they don't have the
> smarts to retransmit, assuming the IP given isn't forged (which most
> are).


Greylisting works very well and with some from of a database to remember
results the impact to valid users is very small to none after the first
email.



>
> Problem with this is that it double the traffic (more than doubles,
> actually). Which spam is doing already.

But none of the storage issues smtp traffic is actually a very small
part of traffic ISPs carry.



Brightmail has a patent on their method of sender validation, but there
are others like <http://www.milter.info/milter-sender/index.shtml>


Some days I am glad to no be an email admin anymore, of course there was
some pleasure in seeing all the spam delivery attempts that never made
it to any inbox when I put a CanIt server in place. IMNSHO the best
email filter out there and it helps support a great open source package
mimedefang.

John