OT: More illustrations of the intellectual and moral superiority of left

"dazed and confuzzed" <dedmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> At most, tens of thousands.
> http://www.iq.undp.org/ILCS/overview.htm

The count is still coming in on Saddam, but depending upon whom you listen
to it is between 500,00 and 1,000,000 people he murdered, contrasted by the
25 million liberated by Bush.

Only a foaming at the mouth barking moonbat leftist idiot, or a lying
liberal socialist lawyer (same thing, as we can see), would compare Bush to
Saddam, but then consider the source and motives. I guess we would expect a
fucking low-life of a dumb-assed lawyer to defend a mass murdering life long
criminal and thug.

And, of course, Saddam has a degree in law, like the cocksucker that
supports and defends him here

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http://www.ksusentinel.com/media/pap.../A.Brief.Histo
ry.Of.Saddam.Hussein-581138.shtml

By Tony Sarrecchia, Staff writer
Published: Wednesday, January 14, 2004

From opulence and luxury to hiding out like a rat in a hole-Saddam Hussein
has gone from the man who would unite the Arab world to little more than a
homeless vagrant. Most Americans know that Saddam is number two only to
Osama on the United States' hate list, but they are likely unaware of the
trek Saddam took which led him to be hunted by the western world.

Raised by his mother and stepfather in a mud and brick hut in Tikrit, Saddam
the child was a petty thief, eventually becoming a gunman, or enforcer, for
the local Ba'ath Party. Three years after joining the Ba'athist party, a
21-year-old Saddam, took part in a failed assassination attempt on Iraqi
Prime Minister Abudul-Karim Kassem. Saddam received a bullet wound in his
leg and was forced to flee the country, first to Syria then to Egypt. While
in Egypt, he studied law at the Cairo Law School-though he would not receive
his degree until 1971.

While in Egypt, some believe he met with the CIA to plot the overthrow of
the pro-Communist Iraqi regime led by General Kassem. Saïd K. Aburish,
author of Saddam Hussein: The Politics of Revenge, and consultant on the
Frontline program The Survival of Saddam, in an interview at Frontline's web
site said, "...there is a record of Saddam visiting the American Embassy
frequently, and there is a record of the Egyptian security people telling
him not to do that." The existence of an alliance is debatable, but a coup
did occur and, according to Aburish, "[T]here is evidence that an electronic
command was set up in Kuwait...(and) that they (the CIA) supplied the
conspirators with lists of people to be eliminated immediately in order to
assure success." The Ba'ath party did overthrow General Kassem and 700
people, mostly communists and those opposed to the Ba'ath party, were
"eliminated."

Saddam returned to Iraq one month after the coup and became an interrogator
and torturer for the Party. Six months later, in November 1963, the Ba'ath
party loses control and Saddam is arrested and put in jail.

After his escape from prison in 1967 Saddam helped reorganize the Ba'ath
Party. According to Aburish, the politics of the region at the time as well
as clandestine US support resulted in a successful Ba'athist coup. Saddam
led an attack on the presidential palace. The president, a puppet
representative of Gamal Abdel Nasser (the Arab leader during the 1967 Six
Day War), surrendered immediately. A cleansing, or, as the Ba'athists called
it, "Correction Movement", immediately followed in which all non-Ba'athists
were removed from the party.

Two weeks later, Saddam removed all pro-American operatives and elements
from his government. He turned to Russia for arms and supplies-materials the
Soviets gladly supplied in exchange for oil. Aburish's interpretation: "The
Soviet Union at one point thought Iraq was a more important ally than Egypt.
It (Iraq) represented a more immediate threat to the West's lifeline than
Egypt."

Saddam, now the number two man in Iraq, began to expand his influence over
all aspects of the government (i.e. placing his relatives in key positions
in the army) and worked 18-hour days to consolidate his power base and
expand his wealth. In 1977, the only man in front of Saddam, Ahmed Bakr,
resigned for health reasons. According to http://www.emergency.com/hussein,
the actual reason was political fighting by Saddam. Regardless of the
reason, Saddam was now in charge and his first move was to consolidate his
power and "cleanse" the party. Following in the footsteps of other
dictators, Stalin in particular, Saddam appointed himself as Field Marshal
of the Army.

Hussein represented the dream of a united Arab leadership. He was building
Iraq into a cosmopolitan country that had wealth, an educated population,
and the potential for greatness. Iraq was not, according to Aburish,
"backward like some of the oil-producing countries."

Saddam's forward planning and organizational skills were surpassed only by
his brutality of threats-perceived or imagined. Hussein and his inner circle
personally killed "a high-ranking member of the Revolutionary Command, the
head of labor unions, the leading Shi'ite member of the Command and 20
others." Following this, there are reports of 450 other officers, "deputy
Prime ministers, and non-party faithful who were rounded up and killed."

After his escape from prison in 1967 Saddam helped reorganize the Ba'ath
Party. According to Aburish, the politics of the region at the time as well
as clandestine US support resulted in a successful Ba'athist coup. Saddam
led an attack on the presidential palace. The president, a puppet
representative of Gamal Abdel Nasser (the Arab leader during the 1967 Six
Day War), surrendered immediately. A cleansing, or, as the Ba'athists called
it, "Correction Movement", immediately followed in which all non-Ba'athists
were removed from the party.

In 1974, Saddam began shopping the idea of acquiring unconventional weapons.
He had the money (from oil) and the human capital in the form of engineers
and scientists to work towards this goal. He also spent a great deal of
money by shopping for scientists from other Arab countries. Saïd K. Aburish
believes that Saddam got the blueprints to make chemical weapons from a firm
in New York and that the U.S. government knew about it. From France and
Britain came fighters and an atomic reactor came from France. Why was the
west so willing to help Saddam? According to Aburish, it was "...to pry
Saddam away from Russia."

During the Iraq-Iran war, in which Iraq invaded Iran, Saddam was able to
test his army and his newly acquired weapons. To quash a perceived threat
from the Shi'ites and the Kurds, Saddam used poison gas to kill any
potential uprisings. A recent AP report puts that number at an estimated
180,000 people. Human rights officials put the total number of people killed
under Saddam's reign at 500,000 though Iraqi officials estimate over 1
million people were executed (source: Survey: Saddam Killed 61,000 in
Baghdad, NIKO PRICE, Associated Press, Published December 9, 2003).

In 1990, Saddam invaded Kuwait. After losing his army and receiving
sanctions from the United Nations, Saddam continued to violate all
agreements that ended the hostilities. Last year, President Bush launched
his campaign to force a regime change in the country, and, on December 13,
Saddam was pulled from a hole in the ground to face a trial for crimes
against the Iraqi people.

Greg Mossman wrote:
> "Joe English" <jenglish@wisperhome.com> wrote in message
> news:8dd46$4289dacf$ce504822$10526@allthenewsgroup s.com...
>
>
>>but unfortunately, Greg, Bush is doing the killing, as Sadaam was. BIG
>>DIFFERENCE!
>
>
> You're wrong, Joe. Neither Bush nor Saddam personally did much killing.
>
> But like Saddam, Bush is responsible for the deaths. He invaded the country
> without good reason and in a very incompetent manner. Amazing that the
> White House has the gall to whine about the Newsweek story.
>
>
>>Had Sadaam been still killing the Iraqi citizens the number would have
>>been in the thousands.
>
>
> Instead it's Bush who's responsible for the killing and the number is in the
> tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands. Bush doesn't think small
> like Saddam.
>
>
Wrong

"Joe English" <jenglish@wisperhome.com> wrote in message
news:1605a$428a91ee$ce504822$8793@allthenewsgroups .com...

> Wrong

You've almost convinced me with your clever argument, Joe English. A bit
more fleshing out might help.

"dazed and confuzzed" <dedmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> So writing unsubstatiated stories that damage your country is ok??

Of course it is, to him. Helps the little socialist shill impose his will.

You have to understand that a "man" who is too much of a pussy to fight
hates those who arent, so anything that supports his cowardice is welcomed.

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http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/20...3_opchart.html

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http://froggyruminations.blogspot.co...games-until-de
licate.html

It's All Fun and Games Until the Delicate Relationship Between the US and
the Muslim World is Shattered by an MSM Hit Piece

First let me ask one question. Who thinks that this MSM blowback will have
any appreciable effect on the irresponsible behavior of the liberal media?
Yeah, me neither. That said, it seems as if the MSM in the US is in the
midst of some kind of internal Fear Factor episode to see who is going to
take attacking the President and his policies to the next despicable level.
I actually thought that after Dan Rather got canned for making up the Texas
ANG story perhaps these people would take a step back from brink having seen
their icon fall. But hey, they're liberals and nobody's going to tell them
who they can and can't slander. Just ask Condi Rice when she was undergoing
Senate confirmation for SOS. Then Eason Jordon took it upon himself as a
senior CNN official to pimp the "US troops are targeting journalists for
assassination in Iraq" meme in several "safe" venues until he got caught and
strung up by the blogosphere.

When 10 million people voted in Afghanistan in the midst of the Presidential
season, the MSM didn't bother to report it because sadly, there were few
outbreaks of violence and Usama bin Laden lost the election. Even though
President Bush beat Kerry by more than 130,000 votes in Ohio, the MSM couldn
't help but indulge the moonbats and report extensively on "irregularities"
and other sinister plots to "disenfranchise" felons, poor blacks, and
illegal aliens. Meanwhile, the son of a Democratic Congresswoman in
Milwaukee was arrested for slashing the tires of vans rented by the RNC for
voter transportation, and in a state that Kerry won by 11,000 votes, voter
registration drives turned out hundreds of the deceased, felons, and
animated characters all paid for with crack cocaine but you never saw that
on the nightly news.

So here we are having spent billions of dollars and hundreds of lives to
bring stability to a part of the world that has been at war for decades and
only recently began to trust the US after hosting the terrorists who
launched the most spectacular attack in our history. Michael Isikoff and
John Barry decided to take a flier on a "statement" from another one of
those ubiquitous unnamed sources that US interrogators were flushing pages
of the Koran down the toilet to agitate prisoners at Guantanamo Bay. Clearly
they were just trying to cheapshot the President with a bitchy little
snippet that they probably thought only their MSM buddies would catch in an
obscure section of the magazine. Hell, they probably got a few rounds of
drinks out of it before the Afghan people got word but didn't get the joke.

People are dead. US troops that have risked their lives to build
relationships with these people are now considered the worst sort of
blasphemers to a religion whose adherents regularly kill themselves to
espouse. It even seemed that maybe we were getting close to UBL after
rolling up his Ops boss in Pakistan last week. Not now. We may very well be
back to square one with these people. This could be like Abu Ghraib in Iraq
except that it was all made up.

I hope Newsweek is pleased with what they have wrought. There will be no
criminal action; not against the MSM because they'll scream bloody murder,
invoke McCarthy, Hitler, Stalin whatever. Here's Newsweek's idea of
contrition,

"This was reported very carefully, with great sensitivity and concern, and
we'll continue to report on it," said Newsweek Managing Editor Jon Meacham.
"We have tried to be transparent about exactly what happened, and we leave
it to the readers to judge us."

Guilty
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> Greg Mossman wrote:

> > Stalin would love you. Saddam would love you. You're no American.

You wouldnt know what an American is, you punk.

But we can all see that you are intimite with tyrants and their thought
process.

You are a bully, but one that bullies from behind the safety afforded by the
Bar. One that bullies from behind a screen of lies and twisted words, like
you trying to hang the proposition of executions on me.

> > In this
> > country we have Freedom of Speech and a Free Press.

And lowborn whores like you pervert those freedoms, and use them to destroy
the nation and countrymen who's blood you suck like the big, fat tick you
are.

Hide behind the skirt of liberty, while you abuse each end every right you
get your filthy hands on, as you endanger better men than you will ever be
as they do the dirty work pussies like you cant do.

> Americans don't execute other Americans for what they say, even if it
later proves to be incorrect.

Perfect form. You are a lying sack of shit and a punk.

I said they should be tried for treason. Which part of "tried" was it that
escaped your brain, counselor?

None. It didnt escape your brain, you are just a lying sack of shit. Maybe
you could go to work for Newsweek?

The piece was malicious in nature and intent, and you sucked up every drop
of blood it drew.

Here are your buddies:

http://memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=669

"Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:tREie.3$lK.2949@news.uswest.net...

> You have to understand that a "man" who is too much of a pussy to fight
> hates those who arent, so anything that supports his cowardice is
> welcomed.

So this is why Bush, who was afraid to fight in Vietnam, hated John Kerry,
the war hero, and embraced the Swifty lies that supported his cowardice?

I fight when necessary. It's not necessary to fight you. Why get my hands
dirty? I pay people to clean my toilets.

If you were a real "man" you'd be fighting the Holy War in Iraq right now,
instead of constantly whining about your destitute situation, letting your
younger family members do the real fighting for you. What a pussy. All
talk and absolutely no action.

At least when I say I'm going to do something, I do it. That's the mark of
a man.

> People are dead. US troops that have risked their lives to build
> relationships with these people are now considered the worst sort of
> blasphemers to a religion whose adherents regularly kill themselves to
> espouse. It even seemed that maybe we were getting close to UBL after
> rolling up his Ops boss in Pakistan last week. Not now. We may very well
> be
> back to square one with these people. This could be like Abu Ghraib in
> Iraq
> except that it was all made up.

You must have been really dumb even before you became a drunk to believe
this crap. Now we're at square one because of one sentence reported by
Newsweek, notwithstanding the proven Abu Graibh and Guanatanamo torture and
the entire trumped-up invasion of Iraq? Talk about scape-goating, the one
thing that Bush is not incompetent at.

Greg Mossman wrote:
> "Joe English" <jenglish@wisperhome.com> wrote in message
> news:1605a$428a91ee$ce504822$8793@allthenewsgroups .com...
>
>
>>Wrong
>
>
> You've almost convinced me with your clever argument, Joe English. A bit
> more fleshing out might help.
>
>
Your argument is so stupid and vile, there is no argument that could
dignify it.

Greg Mossman wrote:
> "Joe English" <jenglish@wisperhome.com> wrote in message
> news:7483c$428b2998$ce504822$13819@allthenewsgroup s.com...
>
>
>>>You've almost convinced me with your clever argument, Joe English. A bit
>>>more fleshing out might help.
>>
>>Your argument is so stupid and vile, there is no argument that could
>>dignify it.
>
>
> In other words you're convinced I'm right but you don't want to admit it.
>
>
Actually, it could not be further from the truth

> People are dead. US troops that have risked their lives to build
> relationships with these people are now considered the worst sort of
> blasphemers to a religion whose adherents regularly kill themselves to
> espouse. It even seemed that maybe we were getting close to UBL after
> rolling up his Ops boss in Pakistan last week. Not now. We may very well
> be back to square one with these people. This could be like Abu Ghraib in
> Iraq except that it was all made up.

I must say that I find the level of concern over the "desecration" by
burning of a copy of the Koran to be both amusing and disturbing. These
are, the people that thought it was perfectly alright to burn American flags
in their own protests, right? These are the people whose religious leaders,
or at least some of them, declared holy war on all Americans, right? The
Koran is the representation of that religion, right?

They want to riot over this, fine. Shoot them. That's what they would do
to us if the circumstances were reversed.

Lee

"Joe English" <jenglish@wisperhome.com> wrote in message
news:7483c$428b2998$ce504822$13819@allthenewsgroup s.com...

>> You've almost convinced me with your clever argument, Joe English. A bit
>> more fleshing out might help.
> Your argument is so stupid and vile, there is no argument that could
> dignify it.

In other words you're convinced I'm right but you don't want to admit it.