OT: More illustrations of the intellectual and moral superiority of left

"Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
http://reuters.myway.com/article/200...1_N15405868_RT
> RIDST_0_NEWS-RELIGION-AFGHAN-NEWSWEEK-DC.html
>
> "We regret that we got any part of our story wrong, and extend our
> sympathies to victims of the violence and to the U.S. soldiers caught in
its
> midst," Whitaker wrote in the magazine's latest issue, due to appear on
U.S.
> newsstands on Monday.
>
> The weekly news magazine said in its May 23 edition that the information
had
> come from a "knowledgeable government source" who told Newsweek that a
> military report on abuse at Guantanamo Bay said interrogators flushed at
> least one copy of the Koran down a toilet in a bid to make detainees talk.
>
> But Newsweek said the source later told the magazine he could not be
certain
> he had seen an account of the Koran incident in the military report and
that
> it might have been in other investigative documents or drafts.
>
> Whitaker told Reuters that Newsweek did not know if the reported toilet
> incident involving the Koran ever occurred. "As to whether anything like
> this happened, we just don't know," he said in an interview. "We're not
> saying it absolutely happened but we can't say that it absolutely didn't
> happen either."
>

At least they appologized.

> **************************
>
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/ea...sp?vnu_content
> _id=1000920962
>
> "Asked who they voted for in the past election, the journalists reported
> picking Kerry over Bush by 68% to 25%. In this sample of 300 journalists,
> from both newspapers and TV, Democrats outnumbered Republicans by 3 to
> 1--but about half claim to be Independent. As in previous polls, a
majority
> (53%) called their political orientation "moderate," versus 28% liberal
and
> 10% conservative."
> *************************

Impossible... that would indicate a left lean in the media and we all know
that isn't true. Especially now that Fox News produces the majority of all
news in America.

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http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn...t-steyn15.html

"John Bolton's sin is to have spoken the truth about the international
system rather than the myths to which photo-oppers like the Canadian prime
minister defer. As a consequence, he's being treated like a container of
Western aid being processed by Indonesian customs. Customs Inspector Joe
Biden and Junior Clerk Voinovich spent two months trying to come up with
reasons why Bolton's paperwork is inadequate and demanding to know why he
hasn't filled out his RU1-2. An RU1-2 is the official international
bureaucrat's form reassuring the global community that he'll continue to
peddle all the polite fictions, no matter how self-evidently visible they
are. John Bolton isn't one, too. That's why we need him."

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http://reuters.myway.com/article/200...1_N15405868_RT
RIDST_0_NEWS-RELIGION-AFGHAN-NEWSWEEK-DC.html

"We regret that we got any part of our story wrong, and extend our
sympathies to victims of the violence and to the U.S. soldiers caught in its
midst," Whitaker wrote in the magazine's latest issue, due to appear on U.S.
newsstands on Monday.

The weekly news magazine said in its May 23 edition that the information had
come from a "knowledgeable government source" who told Newsweek that a
military report on abuse at Guantanamo Bay said interrogators flushed at
least one copy of the Koran down a toilet in a bid to make detainees talk.

But Newsweek said the source later told the magazine he could not be certain
he had seen an account of the Koran incident in the military report and that
it might have been in other investigative documents or drafts.

Whitaker told Reuters that Newsweek did not know if the reported toilet
incident involving the Koran ever occurred. "As to whether anything like
this happened, we just don't know," he said in an interview. "We're not
saying it absolutely happened but we can't say that it absolutely didn't
happen either."

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http://www.editorandpublisher.com/ea...sp?vnu_content
_id=1000920962

"Asked who they voted for in the past election, the journalists reported
picking Kerry over Bush by 68% to 25%. In this sample of 300 journalists,
from both newspapers and TV, Democrats outnumbered Republicans by 3 to
1--but about half claim to be Independent. As in previous polls, a majority
(53%) called their political orientation "moderate," versus 28% liberal and
10% conservative."
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"Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Three Iraqis were found shot dead near a Baghdad dam on Monday and a slain
Iraqi Kurd was left in a garbage dump in northern Iraq, raising the number
of bodies found in recent days to 45. The government vowed to find those
responsible, saying insurgents were seeking to exploit sectarian rivalries.

"Elsewhere, mortar barrages, roadside bombings and drive-by shootings killed
at least 10 Iraqis, including four soldiers who died in a roadside bomb
attack as they raced to a fire station that had come under mortar fire.

"Batches of bodies, many blindfolded and bound, were found in various areas
over the weekend, from a garbage-strewn vacant lot in Baghdad's Sadr City to
a Latifiyah chicken farm south of the capital in a region dubbed the
Triangle of Death."

Thank God that Bush is in charge and not Saddam.

"Chris Guynn" <chris.guynn@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:WZ2ie.708$5Z1.327@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com. ..

> At least they appologized.

Too little, too late. What it did was illustrate, once again, that the media
will publish anything that makes America or Bush look bad, no different than
Rathergate, except this time people got killed, and the Muslims were
teetering on the edge of World War III.

The kicker for me was this:

"We're not saying it absolutely happened but we can't say that it absolutely
didn't happen either." Everyone involved in publishing that story should be
prosecuted for treason.

I could just as easily say that "We have no proof that Whitacker did suck
dick outside the USO for $5, but we have no proof he didnt either."

Can you imagine the noise if this were a "radical right wing" news outlet
(translation: not liberal controlled) that pulled this stunt?

Not only that, but look at the hysteria and level of hypocrisy illustrated
in our enemy. Murdering innocent people by the thousands, beheading
hostages, car bombs, etc., is no crime, but disrespecting their precious
little book is reason to start WWIII.


> > **************************
> >
>
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/ea...sp?vnu_content
> > _id=1000920962
> >
> > "Asked who they voted for in the past election, the journalists reported
> > picking Kerry over Bush by 68% to 25%. In this sample of 300
journalists,
> > from both newspapers and TV, Democrats outnumbered Republicans by 3 to
> > 1--but about half claim to be Independent. As in previous polls, a
> majority
> > (53%) called their political orientation "moderate," versus 28% liberal
> and
> > 10% conservative."
> > *************************
>
> Impossible... that would indicate a left lean in the media and we all know
> that isn't true. Especially now that Fox News produces the majority of
all
> news in America.

Speaking of which, when is Kerry going to sign his 180 like he promised more
than 100 days ago?

"Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:km6ie.16$NF.4970@news.uswest.net...

> "We're not saying it absolutely happened but we can't say that it
> absolutely
> didn't happen either." Everyone involved in publishing that story should
> be
> prosecuted for treason.

Stalin would love you. Saddam would love you. You're no American. In this
country we have Freedom of Speech and a Free Press. Americans don't execute
other Americans for what they say, even if it later proves to be incorrect.

For example, who prosecuted all the Swifty liars who made up the crap about
Kerry's medals?

And the Koran incident undoubtedly did happen. Saying it didn't is as
believeable as saying there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Wait
'til the photos turn up.

"National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley said in an interview for CNN's
'Late Edition' that the allegations were being investigated 'vigorously.'
'If it turns out to be true, obviously we will take action against those
responsible,' he said." Sure they will. Perhaps they'll even reprimand
someone.

http://reuters.myway.com/article/200...1_N16612929_RT
RIDST_0_NEWS-RELIGION-AFGHAN-BUSH-DC.html

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...sattacksguanta
namo_050516194429

http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas...5/15/dean_rips
_delay_at_convention?mode=PF

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/010465.php

http://polipundit.com/index.php?p=7484

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1391819/posts

http://boortz.com/nuze/200505/05112005.html#delay

"For what seems like an eternity now, we have heard from the mainstream
media about how Tom DeLay accepted travel and accommodations from lobbyists
in Washington, DC. Sounds a little crooked, doesn't it? Not exactly the
type of corruption we want in our politicians. This has been used to
portray House Majority Leader Tom DeLay in the press as a scumbag.

But then it was revealed that Tom DeLay wasn't the only one that accepted
such trips. It turns out that it's basically standard operating procedure
for members of Congress to rake in the goodies from Washington lobbyists.
After all, they can't possibly be expected to pay for anything themselves!
So with that in mind, we have a list of members who travel on congressional
junkets the most:

- Rep. Maxine Waters and Senator John Breaux, both Democrats.
- Rep. Harold Ford, Democrat
- Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones, Democrat
- Rep. Barney Frank, Democrat

The list goes on and on...and at the top, is mostly Democrats. In fact, you
have to go all the way down to 121st place to find Tom DeLay. Facts the
media conveniently ignores. It's all part of the template...facts that
exonerate Republicans don't get a lot of play in the media."

Greg Mossman wrote:
> "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:km6ie.16$NF.4970@news.uswest.net...
>
>
>>"We're not saying it absolutely happened but we can't say that it
>>absolutely
>>didn't happen either." Everyone involved in publishing that story should
>>be
>>prosecuted for treason.
>
>
> Stalin would love you. Saddam would love you. You're no American. In this
> country we have Freedom of Speech and a Free Press. Americans don't execute
> other Americans for what they say, even if it later proves to be incorrect.

So there is no accountability for publishing lies or half truths?
>
> For example, who prosecuted all the Swifty liars who made up the crap about
> Kerry's medals?

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Or, for example Dan Ra er
>
> And the Koran incident undoubtedly did happen.
Did it? Did you see it?
Saying it didn't is as
> believeable as saying there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Wait
> 'til the photos turn up.
>
> "National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley said in an interview for CNN's
> 'Late Edition' that the allegations were being investigated 'vigorously.'
> 'If it turns out to be true, obviously we will take action against those
> responsible,' he said." Sure they will. Perhaps they'll even reprimand
> someone.

So writing unsubstatiated stories that damage your country is ok??
>
>


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"dazed and confuzzed" <dedmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
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His own words make my case.

"dazed and confuzzed" <dedmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> So there is no accountability for publishing lies or half truths?

Civil liability, not criminal.

> Did it? Did you see it?

I don't have to see something to believe it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3533804.stm

"Asef Iqbal, Ruhal Ahmed and Shafiq Rasul - all from Tipton in the West
Midlands - returned to Britain in March having spent more than two years
without legal representation in American custody - first in Afghanistan,
then at Guantanamo Bay. They were then released without charge by British
police. Their experiences in captivity now form the basis of a 115-page
report, Detention in Afghanistan and Guantanamo.
The allegations include:
they were repeatedly punched, kicked, slapped, forcibly injected with drugs,
deprived of sleep, hooded, photographed naked and subjected to body cavity
searches and sexual and religious humiliations
one American guard told the inmates: "The world does not know you're here -
we would kill you and no-one would know"
Mr Iqbal said when he arrived at Guantanamo, one of the soldiers told him:
"You killed my family in the towers and now it's time to get you back.
Mr Rasul said an MI5 officer had told him during an interrogation that he
would be detained in Guantanamo for life
the men said they saw the beating of mentally ill inmates
another man was left brain damaged after a beating by soldiers as punishment
for attempting suicide
the Britons said an inmate told them he was shown a video of hooded men -
apparently inmates - being forced to sodomise one another
guards threw prisoners' Korans into toilets and tried to force them to give
up their religion"

Note the last line.

> So writing unsubstatiated stories that damage your country is ok??

Fact checking and substantiation aren't always so feasible. Sometimes you
have to take a chance. Watergate, for instance. Lots of news is
second-hand. That's what sources are for. If they're wishing to remain
anonymous and providing you with secret information such as the name of a
CIA agent, how can you adequately confirm the information?

And there's definitely a slippery slope in "damage your country". Are you
going to progress from there to banning anything critical of our monkey in
the White House? That would really suck.

Greg Mossman wrote:
> "dazed and confuzzed" <dedmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:weWdnY3an-gD3BTfRVn-gQ@comcast.com...
>
>
>>So there is no accountability for publishing lies or half truths?
>
>
> Civil liability, not criminal.
>
>
>>Did it? Did you see it?
>
>
> I don't have to see something to believe it.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3533804.stm
>
> "Asef Iqbal, Ruhal Ahmed and Shafiq Rasul - all from Tipton in the West
> Midlands - returned to Britain in March having spent more than two years
> without legal representation in American custody - first in Afghanistan,
> then at Guantanamo Bay. They were then released without charge by British
> police. Their experiences in captivity now form the basis of a 115-page
> report, Detention in Afghanistan and Guantanamo.
> The allegations include:
> they were repeatedly punched, kicked, slapped, forcibly injected with drugs,
> deprived of sleep, hooded, photographed naked and subjected to body cavity
> searches and sexual and religious humiliations
> one American guard told the inmates: "The world does not know you're here -
> we would kill you and no-one would know"
> Mr Iqbal said when he arrived at Guantanamo, one of the soldiers told him:
> "You killed my family in the towers and now it's time to get you back.
> Mr Rasul said an MI5 officer had told him during an interrogation that he
> would be detained in Guantanamo for life
> the men said they saw the beating of mentally ill inmates
> another man was left brain damaged after a beating by soldiers as punishment
> for attempting suicide
> the Britons said an inmate told them he was shown a video of hooded men -
> apparently inmates - being forced to sodomise one another
> guards threw prisoners' Korans into toilets and tried to force them to give
> up their religion"
>
> Note the last line.

And you expect them to say tha tthay had a grand time, and everything
was wonderful???

Hardly a credible source.
>
>
>>So writing unsubstatiated stories that damage your country is ok??
>
>
> Fact checking and substantiation aren't always so feasible. Sometimes you
> have to take a chance. Watergate, for instance. Lots of news is
> second-hand. That's what sources are for. If they're wishing to remain
> anonymous and providing you with secret information such as the name of a
> CIA agent, how can you adequately confirm the information?
>
> And there's definitely a slippery slope in "damage your country".
But this is well past that point, isn't it?

This is beyond journalistic incompetence. This borders on treason. A
willful attempt to damage your country. What was served by this story?

Are you
> going to progress from there to banning anything critical of our monkey in
> the White House? That would really suck.
>
>
>


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