Wide Angle IS makes sense...

½ Confused wrote:

> RITA... Mark is not Roger, and isn't going to write a white paper with
> before and after exhibits complete with scientific analysis of the
> photon pollution-per-pixel data from one photo to the next. <grin>

Nor was I expecting him to. He made a claim and I called him to it. He
didn't provide anything useful to back up his assertions.

> (I know even YOU, Rita, knew what his post was about. It WAS a good
> demo of the lens. Imagine if he had been at a friends and wanted to
> make a room like that himself...SNAP...done. The "get a life and a
> tripod" argument goes out the window.)

Yes I did and that's why I called him on it. Actually, it was a piss poor
demo of the lens and gave everyone reading the thread an inaccurate
reflection of its performance. Though he didn't provide anything but a
sized for web image he could have had better results using proper
handholding technique with IS off. I've even provided, at his request, my
images with VR off to show how easy it's done. I guess Mark will be getting
around to posting his non-IS version of this shot as per his promise?
NOT!!!







Rita

Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote:
> ½ Confused wrote:
>
>> RITA... Mark is not Roger, and isn't going to write a white paper
>> with before and after exhibits complete with scientific analysis of
>> the photon pollution-per-pixel data from one photo to the next. <grin>
>
> Nor was I expecting him to. He made a claim and I called him to it. He
> didn't provide anything useful to back up his assertions.
>
>> (I know even YOU, Rita, knew what his post was about. It WAS a good
>> demo of the lens. Imagine if he had been at a friends and wanted to
>> make a room like that himself...SNAP...done. The "get a life and a
>> tripod" argument goes out the window.)
>
> Yes I did and that's why I called him on it. Actually, it was a piss
> poor demo of the lens and gave everyone reading the thread an
> inaccurate reflection of its performance. Though he didn't provide
> anything but a sized for web image he could have had better results
> using proper handholding technique with IS off. I've even provided,
> at his request, my images with VR off to show how easy it's done. I
> guess Mark will be getting around to posting his non-IS version of
> this shot as per his promise? NOT!!!

Ya, I'll get around to posting it...but on my schedule rather than yours,
chump.
;)
What I find amusing about your "fine print" though was your mention of using
things like bean bags, and somehow counting that as "hand-holding." That's
not what I consider hand-holding at all.
Bean bags are great, and when feasible, make for great support. But that's
not what I'm talking about at all.
If I'm shooting out of a sun-roof or car window at a bear...I'll shut off
the engine...shut off IS...and use a bean bag. -But not standing on my own
two legs. The problem with anything posted for your "enjoyment" is that you
make up the "rules" as you go, so there is very little point in engaging you
at all.
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Mark² wrote:

>> Nor was I expecting him to. He made a claim and I called him to it.
>> He didn't provide anything useful to back up his assertions.
>>
>>> (I know even YOU, Rita, knew what his post was about. It WAS a good
>>> demo of the lens. Imagine if he had been at a friends and wanted to
>>> make a room like that himself...SNAP...done. The "get a life and a
>>> tripod" argument goes out the window.)
>>
>> Yes I did and that's why I called him on it. Actually, it was a piss
>> poor demo of the lens and gave everyone reading the thread an
>> inaccurate reflection of its performance. Though he didn't provide
>> anything but a sized for web image he could have had better results
>> using proper handholding technique with IS off. I've even provided,
>> at his request, my images with VR off to show how easy it's done. I
>> guess Mark will be getting around to posting his non-IS version of
>> this shot as per his promise? NOT!!!
>
> Ya, I'll get around to posting it...but on my schedule rather than
> yours, chump.

LOL! I know you will. If you don't, no matter since we both know the final
outcome.

> What I find amusing about your "fine print" though was your mention
> of using things like bean bags, and somehow counting that as
> "hand-holding." That's not what I consider hand-holding at all.
> Bean bags are great, and when feasible, make for great support. But
> that's not what I'm talking about at all.

Now that's too funny! The only "fine print" imposed for this experiment is
that can't use a tripod or monopod, but you *can* use any handholding
technique that you normally would on the fly out in the field. Maybe I'm
mistaken you for a capable photographer and now has proven that he doesn't
have many skills or techniques?

> If I'm shooting out of a sun-roof or car window at a bear...I'll shut
> off the engine...shut off IS...and use a bean bag. -But not standing
> on my own two legs. The problem with anything posted for your
> "enjoyment" is that you make up the "rules" as you go, so there is
> very little point in engaging you at all.

Maybe your buddy ASAAR is right about you? The only "rules" imposed for
this experiment is you use whatever handholding techniques you would
normally use to get a good shot. These "rules" are in your favor and give
you every possible advantage to shoot a perfect image without IS at 24mm on
the 5D. Only thing you have thus proved is that you don't know how to
properly use your equipment or have aptitude to learn how too.







Rita

Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote:
> Mark² wrote:
>
>>> Nor was I expecting him to. He made a claim and I called him to it.
>>> He didn't provide anything useful to back up his assertions.
>>>
>>>> (I know even YOU, Rita, knew what his post was about. It WAS a
>>>> good demo of the lens. Imagine if he had been at a friends and
>>>> wanted to make a room like that himself...SNAP...done. The "get a
>>>> life and a tripod" argument goes out the window.)
>>>
>>> Yes I did and that's why I called him on it. Actually, it was a
>>> piss poor demo of the lens and gave everyone reading the thread an
>>> inaccurate reflection of its performance. Though he didn't provide
>>> anything but a sized for web image he could have had better results
>>> using proper handholding technique with IS off. I've even provided,
>>> at his request, my images with VR off to show how easy it's done. I
>>> guess Mark will be getting around to posting his non-IS version of
>>> this shot as per his promise? NOT!!!
>>
>> Ya, I'll get around to posting it...but on my schedule rather than
>> yours, chump.
>
> LOL! I know you will. If you don't, no matter since we both know
> the final outcome.
>
>> What I find amusing about your "fine print" though was your mention
>> of using things like bean bags, and somehow counting that as
>> "hand-holding." That's not what I consider hand-holding at all.
>> Bean bags are great, and when feasible, make for great support. But
>> that's not what I'm talking about at all.
>
> Now that's too funny! The only "fine print" imposed for this
> experiment is that can't use a tripod or monopod, but you *can* use
> any handholding technique that you normally would on the fly out in
> the field. Maybe I'm mistaken you for a capable photographer and now
> has proven that he doesn't have many skills or techniques?
>
>> If I'm shooting out of a sun-roof or car window at a bear...I'll shut
>> off the engine...shut off IS...and use a bean bag. -But not standing
>> on my own two legs. The problem with anything posted for your
>> "enjoyment" is that you make up the "rules" as you go, so there is
>> very little point in engaging you at all.
>
> Maybe your buddy ASAAR is right about you? The only "rules" imposed
> for this experiment is you use whatever handholding techniques you
> would normally use to get a good shot. These "rules" are in your
> favor and give you every possible advantage to shoot a perfect image
> without IS at 24mm on the 5D. Only thing you have thus proved is
> that you don't know how to properly use your equipment or have
> aptitude to learn how too.

Troll.

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Mark² wrote:

>> Maybe your buddy ASAAR is right about you? The only "rules" imposed
>> for this experiment is you use whatever handholding techniques you
>> would normally use to get a good shot. These "rules" are in your
>> favor and give you every possible advantage to shoot a perfect image
>> without IS at 24mm on the 5D. Only thing you have thus proved is
>> that you don't know how to properly use your equipment or have
>> aptitude to learn how too.
>
> Troll.

LOL! It's better to be a troll than a closed minded fool that doesn't want
to take a few seconds to learn how to improve their photography skills.
You've run away like a scalded dog from a perfect opportunity to hone your
skills. So sad.








Rita

Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote:
> Mark² wrote:
>
>>> Maybe your buddy ASAAR is right about you? The only "rules" imposed
>>> for this experiment is you use whatever handholding techniques you
>>> would normally use to get a good shot. These "rules" are in your
>>> favor and give you every possible advantage to shoot a perfect image
>>> without IS at 24mm on the 5D. Only thing you have thus proved is
>>> that you don't know how to properly use your equipment or have
>>> aptitude to learn how too.
>>
>> Troll.
>
> LOL! It's better to be a troll than a closed minded fool that
> doesn't want to take a few seconds to learn how to improve their
> photography skills. You've run away like a scalded dog from a perfect
> opportunity to hone your skills. So sad.

The extent to which you pretend to know what I do in the field is truly
laughable.
I've never claimed anything to warrant your ever-expanding declarations.

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www.pbase.com/markuson

Mark² wrote:

>> LOL! It's better to be a troll than a closed minded fool that
>> doesn't want to take a few seconds to learn how to improve their
>> photography skills. You've run away like a scalded dog from a perfect
>> opportunity to hone your skills. So sad.
>
> The extent to which you pretend to know what I do in the field is
> truly laughable.
> I've never claimed anything to warrant your ever-expanding
> declarations.

Your posts speak volumes in this area.






Rita

Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote:
> Mark² wrote:
>
>>> LOL! It's better to be a troll than a closed minded fool that
>>> doesn't want to take a few seconds to learn how to improve their
>>> photography skills. You've run away like a scalded dog from a
>>> perfect opportunity to hone your skills. So sad.
>>
>> The extent to which you pretend to know what I do in the field is
>> truly laughable.
>> I've never claimed anything to warrant your ever-expanding
>> declarations.
>
> Your posts speak volumes in this area.

Another non-response from Rita...
;)

Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at:
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On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 06:52:39 -0400
In message <12g57919dfssd08@news.supernews.com>
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Rita Ä Berkowitz <ritaberk2O04 @aol.com> wrote:

> Mark² wrote:
>
> > Troll.
>
> LOL! It's better to be a troll than a <SNIP>

No it's not. I thought you were a lonely one months ago.

<plonk> (Haven't done that in a very long time.)

Jeff