Wide Angle IS makes sense...

Is there any movement visible at full res?

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"Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
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:
: Of **COURSE** it's "more perceptible at higher focal lengths. That
you
: can't distinguish improvements at wider focal lengths is your
problem.
: While it may not be as dramatic, it is there.
:
: Here's the same shot, but at 1/4th second:
: (actually .3 seconds--even slower).
:
: http://www.pbase.com/markuson/image/66174559/original
:
:
:
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:

Joan wrote:
> Is there any movement visible at full res?

"Any" movement. Certainly, yes. You can't eliminate literally ALL movement
without support of some kind, but you can cut it down to a useful level.
Shooting at 1/4th second means you're 8x slower shutter than conventional
hand-holding guidelines would piont to. -That being 1/n shutter speed,
where n=focal length, or in this case...1/24th of a second. This last one
was shot at 1/4th second (actually 0.3 seconds). That's 3 full stops
slower...and as your shutter denominator gets into single digits, each drop
becomes FAR more significant.


>
> "Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
> news:_LmKg.2157$nL2.778@fed1read02...
>>
>> Of **COURSE** it's "more perceptible at higher focal lengths. That
>> you can't distinguish improvements at wider focal lengths is your
>> problem. While it may not be as dramatic, it is there.
>>
>> Here's the same shot, but at 1/4th second:
>> (actually .3 seconds--even slower).
>>
>> http://www.pbase.com/markuson/image/66174559/original
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at:
>> www.pbase.com/markuson

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John McWilliams wrote:

>> Hey, I is what I is and I'm not telling.
>
> Of course we all are what we are. And we already know 'bout "Rita".
> Have you ever been willing to share why you post as a woman?

Have you ever been willing to share why you post as a man?






Rita

Mark² wrote:

> Of **COURSE** it's "more perceptible at higher focal lengths. That
> you can't distinguish improvements at wider focal lengths is your
> problem. While it may not be as dramatic, it is there.

Oh, I can distinguish improvements when they are actually there. I won't
fool myself in think there are improvements simply because the On/Off switch
is in the "On" position.







Rita

Matt Clara wrote:

>> BINGO! We have a winner! With current VR/IS technology the
>> "positive effects" are almost imperceptible at focal lengths of 50mm
>> and below. The only way, and it's questionable, a WA lens is going
>> to benefit from IS is if
>> they come up with a more intuitive system. This is why you won't
>> see any VR/IS primes of 50mm and below from Nikon and Canon.
>>
>
> One caveat to that, in the biking world we've seen almost all bikes
> come to be offered with shocks as standard equipment, even though
> most riders won't see an advantage with them. The day may come where
> IS is simply standard.

Great analogy! Let's take it a bit farther. Sure, we have all seen rigid
frame bikes, motocross, touring, sport, and drag bikes. Of course, the
rigid doesn't have any shocks, but gets its "stabilization" for the rider's
ass from other engineered implementations. And we surely wouldn't want to
swap shocks from a motocross bike to a touring bike, which is basically a
Winnebago on two wheels. Yes, the day will come when IS is standard on
everything, mostly due to marketing hype. Yes, the users of it probably
won't see any advantage to it because they haven't much of a baseline to
make a comparrison. Like anything else, if they learn how to use the On/Off
switch properly and master good technique they will have the best of both
worlds.







Rita

Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote:
> John McWilliams wrote:
>
>>> Hey, I is what I is and I'm not telling.
>>
>> Of course we all are what we are. And we already know 'bout "Rita".
>> Have you ever been willing to share why you post as a woman?
>
> Have you ever been willing to share why you post as a man?
>
Oh, so clever a dodge!

I post as who I am. Real name, real person.

Back to you, "Rita", for more ducking repartee.

--
lsmft

Joan wrote:
>
> "ASAAR" <caught@22.com> wrote in message
> news:4u0gf2de48rsljqrqo1pe1kuncgus13bas@4ax.com...
> : On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:43:56 +1000, Joan wrote:
> :
> : > : PS--You wouldn't happen to have a roommate in CA, would you?
> : >
> : > I live in Sydney, Australia, so I'm not likely to have a roommate
> in
> : > CA
> :
> : Ah, so that explains your pop toasting. :)
>
>
> Maybe I'll start giving out Rodisms to such stupid off topic
> arrogance.
>
> --
> Joan
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/joan-in-manly


Hello, Joan:

For this newsgroup's enlightenment, "Rodisms" is a reference to
your Australian countryman, Rod Speed. He's an extremely fertile
(if somewhat controversial) Usenet poster; I know of him, from
<news:comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage>, where he's a frequent
contributor.


Cordially,
John Turco <jtur@@concentric.net>

John McWilliams wrote:

>> Have you ever been willing to share why you post as a man?
>>
> Oh, so clever a dodge!
>
> I post as who I am. Real name, real person.
>
> Back to you, "Rita", for more ducking repartee.

LOL! Since you *think* you have it all figured out, why ask?

I post as who I am. Real name, real person.






Rita

Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote:
> John McWilliams wrote:
>
>>> Have you ever been willing to share why you post as a man?
>>>
>> Oh, so clever a dodge!
>>
>> I post as who I am. Real name, real person.
>>
>> Back to you, "Rita", for more ducking repartee.
>
> LOL! Since you *think* you have it all figured out, why ask?
>
> I post as who I am. Real name, real person.

When you're not doing signings and spiritual readings!
http://www.sandwichvillageherb.com/p...ge/1578163.htm

Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote:
> John McWilliams wrote:
>
>>> Hey, I is what I is and I'm not telling.
>>
>> Of course we all are what we are. And we already know 'bout "Rita".
>> Have you ever been willing to share why you post as a woman?
>
> Have you ever been willing to share why you post as a man?

You seem to be making a lot of friends, here...
....Then again, perhaps not.
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