Queen Mary 2 sails under the GG Bridge

J. Clarke wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 05:56:11 -0500, Cynicor
> <j...tru.p...in@speak.ea.sy.net> wrote:
>
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 21:08:43 -0500, Cynicor
>>> <j...tru.p...in@speak.ea.sy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ron Hunter wrote:
>>>>> Jer wrote:
>>>>>> Jim Weaver wrote:
>>>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/logear/image/73998405
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's hard to imagine the oil slick behind a beast like this. A shame
>>>>>> these monsters destroy the very thing they're selling.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Oil slick? No, but they do leave a trail of air pollution behind. But
>>>>> they are no longer allowed to dump trash overboard.
>>>> So they have to do it veeeeeery discreetly, at night. :D
>>> There are procedures in place that are intended to make sure that
>>> everything the ship left with the ship comes back with. Doing it
>>> veeeeeery discreetlyl, at night, doesn't provide bags of trash to
>>> match the containers that were brought on board, for example.
>> "Oooooh, the trash? We, like, totally threw it all out in Acapulco."
>
> Then they need to provide a receipt from the trash service.

"Well, uh, the thing about that...we totally have the receipt, but we
left it in our other pair of jeans."

On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 10:20:01 -0500, Cynicor
<j...tru.p...in@speak.ea.sy.net> wrote:

>J. Clarke wrote:
>> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 05:56:11 -0500, Cynicor
>> <j...tru.p...in@speak.ea.sy.net> wrote:
>>
>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 21:08:43 -0500, Cynicor
>>>> <j...tru.p...in@speak.ea.sy.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ron Hunter wrote:
>>>>>> Jer wrote:
>>>>>>> Jim Weaver wrote:
>>>>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/logear/image/73998405
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's hard to imagine the oil slick behind a beast like this. A shame
>>>>>>> these monsters destroy the very thing they're selling.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oil slick? No, but they do leave a trail of air pollution behind. But
>>>>>> they are no longer allowed to dump trash overboard.
>>>>> So they have to do it veeeeeery discreetly, at night. :D
>>>> There are procedures in place that are intended to make sure that
>>>> everything the ship left with the ship comes back with. Doing it
>>>> veeeeeery discreetlyl, at night, doesn't provide bags of trash to
>>>> match the containers that were brought on board, for example.
>>> "Oooooh, the trash? We, like, totally threw it all out in Acapulco."
>>
>> Then they need to provide a receipt from the trash service.
>
>"Well, uh, the thing about that...we totally have the receipt, but we
>left it in our other pair of jeans."

"Well, uh, the thing about that is that you're hereby terminated for
(a) being out of uniform, (b) failing to properly file a required
document, (c) costing the company a great deal of money while the ship
sits idle waiting for the mess you've created to get sorted out, (d)
putting the company at risk of a large fine, (e) risking the loss by
government seizure of an asset valued at nearly a billion dollars, and
(f) adopting a flippant attitude toward a government official who can
if he chooses to do so cause the company a great deal more trouble.
Oh, and it's probably not a good idea to use us as a reference."

<< Anybody that doesn't care about the environment are at the top of my shit
parade. >>

What do you think of the Chinese, then? They're going to build an additional
500 coal-fired power plants with NO pollution controls at all.

But their _politics_ suit you better... eh?

- John

J. Clarke wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 10:20:01 -0500, Cynicor
> <j...tru.p...in@speak.ea.sy.net> wrote:
>
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 05:56:11 -0500, Cynicor
>>> <j...tru.p...in@speak.ea.sy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 21:08:43 -0500, Cynicor
>>>>> <j...tru.p...in@speak.ea.sy.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron Hunter wrote:
>>>>>>> Jer wrote:
>>>>>>>> Jim Weaver wrote:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/logear/image/73998405
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's hard to imagine the oil slick behind a beast like this. A shame
>>>>>>>> these monsters destroy the very thing they're selling.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oil slick? No, but they do leave a trail of air pollution behind. But
>>>>>>> they are no longer allowed to dump trash overboard.
>>>>>> So they have to do it veeeeeery discreetly, at night. :D
>>>>> There are procedures in place that are intended to make sure that
>>>>> everything the ship left with the ship comes back with. Doing it
>>>>> veeeeeery discreetlyl, at night, doesn't provide bags of trash to
>>>>> match the containers that were brought on board, for example.
>>>> "Oooooh, the trash? We, like, totally threw it all out in Acapulco."
>>> Then they need to provide a receipt from the trash service.
>> "Well, uh, the thing about that...we totally have the receipt, but we
>> left it in our other pair of jeans."
>
> "Well, uh, the thing about that is that you're hereby terminated for
> (a) being out of uniform, (b) failing to properly file a required
> document, (c) costing the company a great deal of money while the ship
> sits idle waiting for the mess you've created to get sorted out, (d)
> putting the company at risk of a large fine, (e) risking the loss by
> government seizure of an asset valued at nearly a billion dollars, and
> (f) adopting a flippant attitude toward a government official who can
> if he chooses to do so cause the company a great deal more trouble.
> Oh, and it's probably not a good idea to use us as a reference."

"But we gave a bunch of money to the Bush campaign, and they let us
rewrite the regulations in secret last year. Ta!"

In article <UbqdnW8d6qv-_FXYnZ2dnUVZ_vmqnZ2d@speakeasy.net>, Cynicor
<j...tru.p...in@speak.ea.sy.net> wrote:

> Ace wrote:
> > On Feb 5, 7:11�am, "Jim Weaver" <jimbo0...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> http://www.pbase.com/logear/image/73998405
> >>
> >> --
> >> � � � � � � � �My Photo
> >> Gallerieshttps://home.comcast.net/~jimbo0243/
> >
> > Nice shots. Been a long time since I have been in San Fran. Where does
> > one park and walk to to take pictures like this?
>
> There are three places you can go for good shots. As you're about to get
> onto the bridge from 101 North, you can pull off into the Presidio for a
> shot facing Marin. On the north side of the bridge, there's a pulloff
> where you can park and walk for a vantage point. In my opinion, the best
> view is to the west of the bridge on the north side, in the Golden Gate
> National Recreation Area. Driving southbound, you get off 101 just
> before the bridge and drive up a winding road. There's a walkway and a
> dramatic view. (http://trupin.smugmug.com/gallery/949751#36825682)
>
> I also suggest a drive a bit further up to Muir Beach, which has a path
> to the end of a cliff, surrounded by water on three sides, that you
> don't want to be on during an earthquake.

Got GPS coords? :^)

--
You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a
reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating
the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for
independence.
-- Charles A. Beard

Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote:
>Jim Weaver wrote:
>> http://www.pbase.com/logear/image/73998405
>
>It's hard to imagine the oil slick behind a beast like this. A shame
>these monsters destroy the very thing they're selling.

Do you really think that a ship that size could sail into
San Francisco Bay leaking oil and not have several government
agencies come down on them like a ton of bricks?

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 07:23:33 -0600, Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote:

>The business model of the cruise industry is broken. If they cared
>about the environment, the issues here would never have existed in the
>first place. Ever since these issues were raised it's been a constant
>struggle for improvement because the cruise industry doesn't want to be
>compelled to do the right thing. People that care about the environment
>try their best to do the right thing without be forced to. Anybody that
>doesn't care about the environment are at the top of my shit parade.

I realize that this is the standard whinge of the tree huggers.
But lets take a look at your complaint:
The idea that the industry is broken flies in the face of reality.
'Nuff said about that.
The idea that if any industry cared about the problems that have been
found means you wouldn't have roads, cars, trains, radio, TV, food
from more than 10 miles away, even the computer you use to spread your
untinking crap. All the industries that delevered these things started
out polluting much, much more than they do today. According to you,
none of them cared, and the problems wouldn't have happened. But a
little thought would show that they had no way to even understand the
environmental problems.
And your shit parade isn't exactly of concern ot the vast majority of
people in the world.
If you don't want to cruise, then don't.
However, as I asked before, do you drive a car?
Because if you do, you need to put yourself on your own shit list.

--
The Indianapolis Colts beat
the Chicago Bears to win the
Super Bowl in Miami on Sunday.
The new world champions wouldn't
be denied. Emotions just took
over after the coach told the
Colts at halftime to go out
there and win one for Barbaro.

On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 02:46:30 -0600, Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net>
wrote:

>There is,
>however, a visible pall of diesel smoke in the air behind the ships,
>which is, I believe, largely avoidable.

Nuclear power!

--
The Indianapolis Colts beat
the Chicago Bears to win the
Super Bowl in Miami on Sunday.
The new world champions wouldn't
be denied. Emotions just took
over after the coach told the
Colts at halftime to go out
there and win one for Barbaro.

Ken Lucke wrote:
> Cynicor wrote:
>> There are three places you can go for good shots. As you're about to get
>> onto the bridge from 101 North, you can pull off into the Presidio for a
>> shot facing Marin. On the north side of the bridge, there's a pulloff
>> where you can park and walk for a vantage point. In my opinion, the best
>> view is to the west of the bridge on the north side, in the Golden Gate
>> National Recreation Area. Driving southbound, you get off 101 just
>> before the bridge and drive up a winding road. There's a walkway and a
>> dramatic view. (http://trupin.smugmug.com/gallery/949751#36825682)
>>
>> I also suggest a drive a bit further up to Muir Beach, which has a path
>> to the end of a cliff, surrounded by water on three sides, that you
>> don't want to be on during an earthquake.
>
> Got GPS coords? :^)

Why, yes!

37.82743 N
122.481806 W

http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v...&scene=1136829

nailer wrote:
> QM2 and QE2 should stop at the same time in Sydney (Australia) in very
> near future. QM2 will berth in naval docks due it her size, QE2 as
> usual Passenger terminal at The Rocks (opposite Sydney Opera).
> Good photo opportunities folks!!!!

Last April, Southampton, UK, (where I live, and where these liners are
based) had 5 of these ships (including QEII, QM2 & Oceana) in port all
at once. There's always one or two in, but all at once is very rare. I
was out of the country that day, but a friend of mine caught them:

http://www.esses.co.uk/liners0406/index.htm

--
Derek Fountain on the web at http://www.derekfountain.org/