Canon 30D + Lightroom question

I was shooting an old cemetery last week and set my 30D to use the
Monochrome picture style. The preview on the camera showed the monochrome
image. When I imported it into Lightroom, the image initially came up
monochrome and then converted to color by itself. Is there something I
missed or can anyone explain it? Thanks

Rob

Scubabix wrote:
> I was shooting an old cemetery last week and set my 30D to use the
> Monochrome picture style. The preview on the camera showed the
> monochrome image. When I imported it into Lightroom, the image
> initially came up monochrome and then converted to color by itself. Is
> there something I missed or can anyone explain it? Thanks
>
> Rob

If you shot in RAW, you'll have to apply as-shot settings (I believe) to see
it as Black & White. Having it set to Black & white should have no effect
on the RAW file... If you shot in jpeg using B&W, I believe you'd see what
you expect.

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In article <eXUPh.117031$g24.43997@newsfe12.phx>, Mark² <
here)@cox..net> wrote:

> Scubabix wrote:
> > I was shooting an old cemetery last week and set my 30D to use the
> > Monochrome picture style. The preview on the camera showed the
> > monochrome image. When I imported it into Lightroom, the image
> > initially came up monochrome and then converted to color by itself. Is
> > there something I missed or can anyone explain it? Thanks
> >
> > Rob
>
> If you shot in RAW, you'll have to apply as-shot settings (I believe) to see
> it as Black & White. Having it set to Black & white should have no effect
> on the RAW file... If you shot in jpeg using B&W, I believe you'd see what
> you expect.

It's always better (IMO) to shoot you B&W in color anyway - for two
reasons.

First off, you have more ability to adjust your B&W conversion later in
LR, Aperture, or PS than you have in-camera (so you can play with what
various B&W filters would have looked like, etc - and Alien Skin
Exposure does a pretty good job of simulating several differnt kinds of
IR film from a color image, too). There are LOTS of different ways to
convert a B&W, the least desireable of which (again, IMO) is to just
desaturate it to greyscale.

Secondly, you might just someday decide that you want that image in
color - so shoot it in color and convert it later.

I'm referring to if you are shooting .jpg, of course. As Mark³
explained, a raw file has all the raw data (hence the name) so you
always have it. It doesn't know B&W or color from beans - it's merely
a collection of very lightly processed sensor data. The converter
program (in this case, Lightroom for you) is what actually makes sense
of all that data.

The image that displays on your camera's screen is just a quickie .jpg
thumbnail generated by the camera based upon your settings, which is
why it showed up B&W and the imported file didn't - if you look at the
thumbnail of the file on your HD (if you haven't altered it), I'll bet
it shows B&W, too.

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Ken Lucke wrote:
> In article <eXUPh.117031$g24.43997@newsfe12.phx>, Mark² <
> here)@cox..net> wrote:
>
>> Scubabix wrote:
>>> I was shooting an old cemetery last week and set my 30D to use the
>>> Monochrome picture style. The preview on the camera showed the
>>> monochrome image. When I imported it into Lightroom, the image
>>> initially came up monochrome and then converted to color by itself.
>>> Is there something I missed or can anyone explain it? Thanks
>>>
>>> Rob
>>
>> If you shot in RAW, you'll have to apply as-shot settings (I
>> believe) to see it as Black & White. Having it set to Black & white
>> should have no effect on the RAW file... If you shot in jpeg using
>> B&W, I believe you'd see what you expect.
>
> It's always better (IMO) to shoot you B&W in color anyway - for two
> reasons.
>
> First off, you have more ability to adjust your B&W conversion later
> in LR, Aperture, or PS than you have in-camera (so you can play with
> what various B&W filters would have looked like, etc - and Alien Skin
> Exposure does a pretty good job of simulating several differnt kinds
> of IR film from a color image, too). There are LOTS of different
> ways to convert a B&W, the least desireable of which (again, IMO) is
> to just desaturate it to greyscale.
>
> Secondly, you might just someday decide that you want that image in
> color - so shoot it in color and convert it later.
>
> I'm referring to if you are shooting .jpg, of course. As Mark³
> explained, a raw file has all the raw data (hence the name) so you
> always have it. It doesn't know B&W or color from beans - it's merely
> a collection of very lightly processed sensor data. The converter
> program (in this case, Lightroom for you) is what actually makes sense
> of all that data.
>
> The image that displays on your camera's screen is just a quickie .jpg
> thumbnail generated by the camera based upon your settings, which is
> why it showed up B&W and the imported file didn't - if you look at the
> thumbnail of the file on your HD (if you haven't altered it), I'll bet
> it shows B&W, too.

Lightroom has AMAZING black & white adjustment features. Truly amazing, as
it gives you total control over "color" even after it shows only grey scale.
It keeps the color values intact while you play around with the equivalent
of red filters, green, etc...just as though they were on your lens at the
time.

If anyone lacks Lightroom, here's a great little video explaining how to get
the desired B&W effects in Photoshop:
http://www.dcmag.co.uk/Video_Mono_vi...okZSIBw.ht ml
-Mark²

--
Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at:
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"Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
news:GVVPh.26150$EN1.24368@newsfe07.phx...
> Ken Lucke wrote:
>> In article <eXUPh.117031$g24.43997@newsfe12.phx>, Mark² <
>> here)@cox..net> wrote:
>>
>>> Scubabix wrote:
>>>> I was shooting an old cemetery last week and set my 30D to use the
>>>> Monochrome picture style. The preview on the camera showed the
>>>> monochrome image. When I imported it into Lightroom, the image
>>>> initially came up monochrome and then converted to color by itself.
>>>> Is there something I missed or can anyone explain it? Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Rob
>>>
>>> If you shot in RAW, you'll have to apply as-shot settings (I
>>> believe) to see it as Black & White. Having it set to Black & white
>>> should have no effect on the RAW file... If you shot in jpeg using
>>> B&W, I believe you'd see what you expect.
>>
>> It's always better (IMO) to shoot you B&W in color anyway - for two
>> reasons.
>>
>> First off, you have more ability to adjust your B&W conversion later
>> in LR, Aperture, or PS than you have in-camera (so you can play with
>> what various B&W filters would have looked like, etc - and Alien Skin
>> Exposure does a pretty good job of simulating several differnt kinds
>> of IR film from a color image, too). There are LOTS of different
>> ways to convert a B&W, the least desireable of which (again, IMO) is
>> to just desaturate it to greyscale.
>>
>> Secondly, you might just someday decide that you want that image in
>> color - so shoot it in color and convert it later.
>>
>> I'm referring to if you are shooting .jpg, of course. As Mark³
>> explained, a raw file has all the raw data (hence the name) so you
>> always have it. It doesn't know B&W or color from beans - it's merely
>> a collection of very lightly processed sensor data. The converter
>> program (in this case, Lightroom for you) is what actually makes sense
>> of all that data.
>>
>> The image that displays on your camera's screen is just a quickie .jpg
>> thumbnail generated by the camera based upon your settings, which is
>> why it showed up B&W and the imported file didn't - if you look at the
>> thumbnail of the file on your HD (if you haven't altered it), I'll bet
>> it shows B&W, too.
>
> Lightroom has AMAZING black & white adjustment features. Truly amazing,
> as it gives you total control over "color" even after it shows only grey
> scale. It keeps the color values intact while you play around with the
> equivalent of red filters, green, etc...just as though they were on your
> lens at the time.
>
> If anyone lacks Lightroom, here's a great little video explaining how to
> get the desired B&W effects in Photoshop:
> http://www.dcmag.co.uk/Video_Mono_vi...okZSIBw.ht ml
> -Mark²
>
> --
> Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at:
> www.pbase.com/markuson
>
Thanks Ken and Mark. I see what you mean about shooting in color than
adjusting for B&W in LR. I'm still learning with my 30D and was trying to
use the picture styles. I'll keep your suggestions in mind next time.
Rob