PADI Underwater Child Molester Specialty Course?

jer left this mess on Fri, 19 Sep 2003 06:23:06 -0500 for The Way to clean up:
>
>Salty wrote:
>
>>jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote in message
>>news:<bkdhvv$rhg@library1.airnews.net>...
>>
>>
>>>I saw nothing in the article that implied it was his first attempt.
>>>It may have only been the first time he was ratted out.
>>
>>
>> But then again, you saw nothing in the article that implied it was a
>> 'problem' with him before. Why would you draw a negative conclusion
>> against the man when you don't know a thing about his history ?? Are
>> you pre-judging him ?? I think you are.
>
>
>Well, if his 'problem' had surfaced before, I presume he wouldn't have
>been working that job for several years without complaint. Am I
>expected to believe this pillar of community respect woke up only that
>morning as a poolside pedophile? Not likely. So, I really do know
>something about his history. So I think I'm not.
>

Not true. Look at the complaints against various Catholic parishes, many by full
grown men.

We can't presume, either way. He may, he may not. In America, that automatically
means he's innocent, since he hasn't been proven guilty (either in the current
case or of past cases), that we know of.

Tao te Carl

"It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003

alan@nonono_irsi.com stopped playing nethack just long enough to say:
>
>Keeping in mind that we only know what's been reported in one article,
>I see two possible scenarios. One is what you're suggesting, that this
>person is a peadophile, has been all his life, and has gotten caught.
>The second scenario is that the boys are lying.

This is one reason why the BSA has the policy it does regarding adult
supervision. Adults are never supposed to be alone with the boys at any
time. This is done to protect both the youth (from improper behavior)
AND the adults (from malicious accusations).

-JimG

--
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Jim.Greenlee@cc.gatech.edu left this mess on Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:51:33 +0000
(UTC) for The Way to clean up:
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>alan@nonono_irsi.com stopped playing nethack just long enough to say:
>>
>>Keeping in mind that we only know what's been reported in one article,
>>I see two possible scenarios. One is what you're suggesting, that this
>>person is a peadophile, has been all his life, and has gotten caught.
>>The second scenario is that the boys are lying.
>
>This is one reason why the BSA has the policy it does regarding adult
>supervision. Adults are never supposed to be alone with the boys at any
>time. This is done to protect both the youth (from improper behavior)
>AND the adults (from malicious accusations).
>

Unfortunately, if he's the only dive instructor...

Tao te Carl

"It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003

"de Valois" <devalois@nailedandused.com> wrote in message
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> Jim.Greenlee@cc.gatech.edu left this mess on Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:51:33
+0000
> (UTC) for The Way to clean up:
> >
> >alan@nonono_irsi.com stopped playing nethack just long enough to say:
> >>
> >>Keeping in mind that we only know what's been reported in one article,
> >>I see two possible scenarios. One is what you're suggesting, that this
> >>person is a peadophile, has been all his life, and has gotten caught.
> >>The second scenario is that the boys are lying.
> >
> >This is one reason why the BSA has the policy it does regarding adult
> >supervision. Adults are never supposed to be alone with the boys at any
> >time. This is done to protect both the youth (from improper behavior)
> >AND the adults (from malicious accusations).
> >
>
> Unfortunately, if he's the only dive instructor...

He wasn't...

"Another adult counselor was in attendance but was at another location in
the dive tank when the alleged fondling took place, he said."

The Florida Sea Base is one of two High Adventure bases (not classified as
summer camps) in the United States (the other is Philmont in Cimmaron, NM).
They focus entirely on water based activites. They have many scuba
instructors on their staff.

Incidentally, the summer camp I have worked for is expanding into new land
and will be seeking High Adventure Base status before too long. The problem
is that Philmont is a Nationally owned camp and the camp I worked for is a
council operation. Plus, the fact that these two camps would be in
semi-direct competition makes us think that the chances of getting High
Adventure base status are pretty slim.
>
> Tao te Carl
>
> "It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003
>

chrisguynn@sbcglobal.N.O.S.P.A.M.net stopped playing nethack just long enough to say:
>
>The Florida Sea Base is one of two High Adventure bases (not classified as
>summer camps) in the United States (the other is Philmont in Cimmaron, NM).

There are actually about 40 High Adventure Bases in the US. Philmont
and Sea Base are classified as "national" camps. There is a third
national camp - the Northen Tier "Canoe Base" in Minnesota.

>Incidentally, the summer camp I have worked for is expanding into new land
>and will be seeking High Adventure Base status before too long.

Is that the Double H Ranch? I heard a rumor that they were getting
ready to do something there. I'd be interested in some details on it,
if you have any.

-JimG

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"de Valois" <devalois@nailedandused.com> wrote in message
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> Jim.Greenlee@cc.gatech.edu left this mess on Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:51:33
+0000
> (UTC) for The Way to clean up:
> >
> >alan@nonono_irsi.com stopped playing nethack just long enough to say:
> >>
> >>Keeping in mind that we only know what's been reported in one article,
> >>I see two possible scenarios. One is what you're suggesting, that this
> >>person is a peadophile, has been all his life, and has gotten caught.
> >>The second scenario is that the boys are lying.
> >
> >This is one reason why the BSA has the policy it does regarding adult
> >supervision. Adults are never supposed to be alone with the boys at any
> >time. This is done to protect both the youth (from improper behavior)
> >AND the adults (from malicious accusations).
> >
>
> Unfortunately, if he's the only dive instructor...
>
> Tao te Carl
>
> "It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003

According to a separate report, there were two of them. The guy that is
accused of abusing the boys supposedly took them aside, one at a time, to do
it.

Sounds fishy to me, but you never know.

Lee

<Jim.Greenlee@cc.gatech.edu> wrote in message
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> devalois@nailedandused.com stopped playing nethack just long enough to
say:
> >>
> >>This is one reason why the BSA has the policy it does regarding adult
> >>supervision. Adults are never supposed to be alone with the boys at any
> >>time.
> >
> >Unfortunately, if he's the only dive instructor...
>
> According to the CDNN article, another adult was present in the dive
> tank, just not at the specific location where the alleged incident
> occurred.
>
> BSA takes this stuff very seriously. Just to show you how strict they
> are on this - I attended BSA Summer Camp a couple of years ago with my
> three children and their troop. One of my kids was injured and I had to
> take him to the local emergency room. The camp staff insisted that
> another adult go along with the two of us, even though it was my own
> son that I was taking. If it is a BSA camp, then they are required to
> adhere to BSA policy, which means two adults with the boys at all
> times.

This policy does not actually cover father/son situations. For instance,
adults are NEVER allowed to tent with youth... unless the youth is their
child.

>
> Every Adult Leader is required to complete a "Youth Protection" program
> that addresses exactly these kinds of issues, and the aforementioned
> SCUBA instructor should have known that. It's every adult's
> responsibility to make sure that the rules are followed - to do
> otherwise is just asking for trouble.

You are correct, but I would also add that, not only are they required to
take the course, they are required to take the course EVERY YEAR.
Basically, the course consists of a video (that sucks) interpersed with
discussion about the topic.

>
> -JimG
>
> --
> Jim Greenlee (jkg@cc.gatech.edu) If A equals Success, then the
formula
> College of Computing is A = X+Y+Z, where X is "work", Y
is
> Georgia Tech, Atlanta, GA 30332 "play", and Z is "keep your mouth
shut"

<Jim.Greenlee@cc.gatech.edu> wrote in message
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> chrisguynn@sbcglobal.N.O.S.P.A.M.net stopped playing nethack just long
enough to say:
> >
> >The Florida Sea Base is one of two High Adventure bases (not classified
as
> >summer camps) in the United States (the other is Philmont in Cimmaron,
NM).
>
> There are actually about 40 High Adventure Bases in the US. Philmont
> and Sea Base are classified as "national" camps. There is a third
> national camp - the Northen Tier "Canoe Base" in Minnesota.

I always forget about the Canoe base... maybe because I have never had a
desire to go there. I actually didn't even know about the rest of the High
Adventure bases... That's good news as it may mean we have a better shot at
the designation...

>
> >Incidentally, the summer camp I have worked for is expanding into new
land
> >and will be seeking High Adventure Base status before too long.
>
> Is that the Double H Ranch? I heard a rumor that they were getting
> ready to do something there. I'd be interested in some details on it,
> if you have any.

Nope, it's Buffalo Trail Scout Ranch. Located inteh Davis mountains. Rumor
has it it is the third largest scout camp in the world (behind Philmont and
some camp in the Balck Forest of Germany). About 10,000 acres of some of
the harshest terrain you could ever hope to go backpacking in. It's hot,
rocky, steep terrain and I love it.

C Guynn

"Lee Willcox" <lee@willcoxwebs.com> entertained us with:
:I see idiots, and they don't know their idiots.

Whether or not they are idiots is a matter of opinion. They may have equally
uncomplimentary opinions of you.

Dan Bracuk
As Big Ben said to the Leaning Tower of Pisa, I've got the time if you've got the inclination.
The Best of Rec.Scuba
http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/


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"Dan Bracuk" wrote ...
> Speaking of which, did anyone else get a bunch
> of e-mail's from <quote>microsoft</unquote>
> today. They come complete with a patch.exe ...

Nope... It used to be in the old days when virus writers had to create
*real* viruses that would self propagate without any interaction from the
user... These days, they just rely on user stupidity... Hell, *anyone* can
write a virus these days since all it requires is user stupidity to
propagate... Yeah, MS does its part in providing security loopholes to make
it easier for them, but if we could just keep these damn users from clicking
on anything that is sent to them, it would cut down on a lot of the virus
infections...