Padi Training

Dear all

Can someone tell me why padi keep getting there trainees to dangle there
octopus on clips of the jackets, when we all know that, a diver out of air
is going to grab the one in your mouth and not come over all sweet and ask
for it...

Any views.

Kevin



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cheaper wrote:
> Can someone tell me why padi keep getting there trainees to dangle there
> octopus on clips of the jackets, when we all know that, a diver out of air
> is going to grab the one in your mouth and not come over all sweet and ask
> for it...
>
> Any views.

Yes, please don't feed the trolls...

Al.

cheaper wrote:
> Dear all
>
> Can someone tell me why padi keep getting there trainees to dangle there
> octopus on clips of the jackets, when we all know that, a diver out of air
> is going to grab the one in your mouth and not come over all sweet and ask
> for it...

I think you're trolling, but on the off chance that you actually want an
answer...

PADI probably think that it is better to train an instinctive response
into their divers. Andy (casualty) runs out of air, his response is to
follow training and take the octopus which is, as you put it, dangling
in front of his eyes on the front of the BC of Bob (rescuer).

If Bob is happily finning along and has his reg ripped out of his mouth
by Andy, he is likely to be a little suprised, and may well not go
straight for his reg, prefering to fight Andy for his primary. Even if
he is completely unphased by the reg being taken from his mouth, his
mask may have been dislodged and he will need to purge the octopus. He
also has to find it, when it is in the ideal position for his buddy, not
him. All this puts Bob at unecessary risk, and could then provide some
sort of legal claim against the schem they dived to, and were taught by
(PADI).

I don't follow the PADI doctrine, I'm not a PADI diver. I prefer to
donate the primary. You asked why we thought that PADI would prefer to
donate the octopus - that's what I think they thought (if that's not too
confusing).

> Any views.

I think either you or someone else won't bother reading my previous
paragraph.

Ben


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Ben Panter, Edinburgh
My name (no spaces)@bigfoot which is a com.

I am not troll feeding, as Padi trains in our club pool and I have taken the
regs out of the mouth of new divers to see them struggle for there own
Octopus is quite alarming... all it needs is a small change by having say
the spare around your neck,...

Kevin
"Ben Panter" <See@the_end.not> wrote in message
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>
>
> cheaper wrote:
> > Dear all
> >
> > Can someone tell me why padi keep getting there trainees to dangle there
> > octopus on clips of the jackets, when we all know that, a diver out of
air
> > is going to grab the one in your mouth and not come over all sweet and
ask
> > for it...
>
> I think you're trolling, but on the off chance that you actually want an
> answer...
>
> PADI probably think that it is better to train an instinctive response
> into their divers. Andy (casualty) runs out of air, his response is to
> follow training and take the octopus which is, as you put it, dangling
> in front of his eyes on the front of the BC of Bob (rescuer).
>
> If Bob is happily finning along and has his reg ripped out of his mouth
> by Andy, he is likely to be a little suprised, and may well not go
> straight for his reg, prefering to fight Andy for his primary. Even if
> he is completely unphased by the reg being taken from his mouth, his
> mask may have been dislodged and he will need to purge the octopus. He
> also has to find it, when it is in the ideal position for his buddy, not
> him. All this puts Bob at unecessary risk, and could then provide some
> sort of legal claim against the schem they dived to, and were taught by
> (PADI).
>
> I don't follow the PADI doctrine, I'm not a PADI diver. I prefer to
> donate the primary. You asked why we thought that PADI would prefer to
> donate the octopus - that's what I think they thought (if that's not too
> confusing).
>
> > Any views.
>
> I think either you or someone else won't bother reading my previous
> paragraph.
>
> Ben
>
>
> --
> Ben Panter, Edinburgh
> My name (no spaces)@bigfoot which is a com.
>


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cheaper wrote:
> I am not troll feeding, as Padi trains in our club pool and I have taken the
> regs out of the mouth of new divers to see them struggle for there own

I don't think I'd do that to someone who was learning to dive unless I'd
told them it was going to happen and explained how to deal with it.

> Octopus is quite alarming... all it needs is a small change by having say
> the spare around your neck,...

Take it up with PADI.

Ben

--
Ben Panter, Edinburgh
My name (no spaces)@bigfoot which is a com.

Without being seen as some sort of idiot, and the divers in question were
experienced guys and this was a training night...
I have asked Padi why and the there Answer was: "because that is the way we
always do it...."

Kevin
"Ben Panter" <See@the_end.not> wrote in message
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>
>
> cheaper wrote:
> > I am not troll feeding, as Padi trains in our club pool and I have taken
the
> > regs out of the mouth of new divers to see them struggle for there own
>
> I don't think I'd do that to someone who was learning to dive unless I'd
> told them it was going to happen and explained how to deal with it.
>
> > Octopus is quite alarming... all it needs is a small change by having
say
> > the spare around your neck,...
>
> Take it up with PADI.
>
> Ben
>
> --
> Ben Panter, Edinburgh
> My name (no spaces)@bigfoot which is a com.
>


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"cheaper" <celtic.tours@btconnect.com> wrote in message
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> I am not troll feeding, as Padi trains in our club pool and I have taken
the
> regs out of the mouth of new divers to see them struggle for there own
> Octopus is quite alarming... all it needs is a small change by having say
> the spare around your neck,...

I can hardly wait until one of those divers you're so sure will take the
primary every time, reaches out and grabs your alternate.

New divers struggle for their alternate because they are new divers, not
because of where it is.

Lee

"cheaper" <celtic.tours@btconnect.com> wrote in message
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> Without being seen as some sort of idiot, and the divers in question were
> experienced guys and this was a training night...

Bullshit. If you know divers that can't find their alternate quickly and
without a lot of fuss, who tell you they are experienced, feel free to tell
them that I said they're not as experienced as they think.

> I have asked Padi why and the there Answer was: "because that is the way
we
> always do it...."

Then why did you ask us why PADI does it?

BTW, if you ask a DIR diver the same question, why do you wear the necklaced
alternate, you would be surprised at how many times you get the same answer.
The key to the necklaced alternate is that cave divers can get it without
using their hands. Sometimes that's a handy thing to be able to do. For
everybody else, the necklaced alternate is a good idea because the diver
knows exactly where his alternate is at all times. As long as it's
connected where it should be, so does a PADI diver . . . once he's been
diving long enough to have learned.

Lee

"Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> "cheaper" <celtic.tours@btconnect.com> wrote in message
> news:bn3p47$b2v$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
> > I am not troll feeding, as Padi trains in our club pool and I have taken
> the
> > regs out of the mouth of new divers to see them struggle for there own
> > Octopus is quite alarming... all it needs is a small change by having
say
> > the spare around your neck,...
>
> I can hardly wait until one of those divers you're so sure will take the
> primary every time, reaches out and grabs your alternate.
>
> New divers struggle for their alternate because they are new divers, not
> because of where it is.
>
> Lee
>
>

Ha ha.

Well said Lee, i couldn't agree more.

Most 'experienced' divers tend to panic when they're faced with a free-flow,
just at the moment they've had their mask flooded by a clumsy student, and
are trying to shut down one side of their manifold, whilst holding onto a
paniced student's leg as they flee for the surface

"cheaper" <celtic.tours@btconnect.com> wrote in message
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>
> Can someone tell me why padi keep getting there trainees to dangle there
> octopus on clips of the jackets, when we all know that, a diver out of air
> is going to grab the one in your mouth and not come over all sweet and ask
> for it...

What did PADI say when you asked them?

R.