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Old 03-27-2007, 12:17 AM
Keith Lawrence
 
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Default Re: Clubs or Businesses; which... and back to the point (nochance)

"Frank Bruce" <fbruce@cruelmail.com> wrote...

> > Any club that provides equipment to its members is already under a
> > duty of care to provide equipment of suitable quality. One would hope
> > that liability issues associated with this are covered by the
> > insurance provided by the association to which the club is affiliated.
> > Regular servicing of this equipment is part of this obligation so it's
> > only really a question of extending this to allow suitably trained and
> > qualified individuals within the club to carry out the work.


> I couldn't find this in the BSAC insurance and therefore went with
> Divemaster for the members as a top up - One for Keith L.


I can't give you a definitive answer because I am not the insurance expert.
I believe that it all comes under the "duty of care" heading and as such is
covered by the standard BSAC insurance policy. Check with BSAC HQ (0151 350
6200) for the correct answer on that one.

Keith L


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Old 03-27-2007, 12:17 AM
rnf2
 
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Default Re: Had to shift down to here...


"CAS" <calumscottTAKETHISBITOUT@yahoo.com> wrote
<SNIP>
> Nope. This WAS an attempt to gather some information to launch a

subversive
> assault on the dive industry to aquire some spare parts for dive equipment
> that the industry currently won't let me have. Hell, the whole point of
> business is to make money.
>

<SNIP>
>
> Now the only difference between automotive and SCUBA is the numbers.

These
> resrictive practices used to go on in automotive but because of the size

of
> the market there were enough people with enough clout to have it changed.
> That ain't going to happen in SCUBA. There is no demand for "patern"

parts,
> there is no demand from independant repair or servicing outfits (that's

not
> franchised ones as is the current situation with LDSs), there is no-one
> apart from the "hobbyist" to get p***ed off about it.
>
> Ergo, and back to the point, the only way for the hobbyist to get the

parts
> he needs is by conforming to what the manufacturer says to remove their
> barriers (training as service tech).
>

<SNIP>

I asked my LDS, which is the PADI fivestar IDC that trained me about
becoming a reg servicer, and if I want to, I can pay about NZ$200 (UK about
80 quid) and go on a manufacturors course to learn to service that
manufacturors regs. So if I bought a Sherwood reg, and wanted to be able to
maintain it myself, all it would take is $200 and a couple of days.
And after that I can also take care of any other guys out there with
sherwood regs.

Things must be different here in NZ than over there in the UK.

rhys


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Old 03-27-2007, 12:17 AM
Kit
 
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Default Re: What do the manufacturers/suppliers want to see? Was: Cost of converting reg from a-clamp to DIN

> You guys are faced with the biggest challange in the history of UK diving,
> PADI. PADI is a very big, very successful, very profitable and very
> competitive organization. If you want your BSAC system to survive, it's
> past time to begin considering how you can most effectively compete.
>
> Lee


I think that it is really important that the BSAC do not try to
compete with PADI. AFAIK (and I'm not and expert by any stretch of the
imagination) the BSAC are offering a different service. They are a
group of like minded people run by an elected(?) commitee, who work
together to ensure that the club does the dives that it's members want
to do. A PADI Dive Centre is a different animal. They aim to provide
services that divers need in the same way, but it is for profit (that
does not, in my opinion make it bad). They want to deal with the parts
of customer (diver) service that make money, and that is not the
physical act of diving for pleasure. That is training, equipment and
servicing. Why would BSAC want to compete with such a well supported
(internationally) organisation. Should they not work very hard at
getting people to go diving? Why not learn to dive with PADI, an
organisation with at least fairly effective Quality Assurance
procedures (the BSAC has none?) and up to date training (I believe
that there is no requirement for BSAC intructors to update their
training?) and then join the BSAC club to actually go diving, which is
by far what they are best at. Get the 2 agancies to work together, and
we would all benefit

Kit
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Old 03-27-2007, 12:17 AM
Keith Lawrence
 
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Default Re: What do the manufacturers/suppliers want to see? Was: Cost of converting reg from a-clamp to DIN

"Kit" <scubakit@yahoo.co.uk> wrote ...

> I think that it is really important that the BSAC do not try to
> compete with PADI...BSAC are offering a different service...


Correct IMHO as well.

> Get the 2 agancies to work together, and we would all benefit


They already do.

Keith L


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