Force Fins forces Rodale's Scuba Diving to pay for scuba equipment ratings scam

"Slow Death" <123@bioforus.uv> wrote in message
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>>
> Lies. CDNN repeatedly condemned all chumming regardless of "rmarine
> recreational orientation". You know that. Yet you continue to
> characterize Cyber Diver as pro-fishing. That's your problem--that's
> why you lost. You are a liar Dan. Everybody in Florida knows that.
> You have no credibility. NONE.


Really ? You want to run a poll to see who is believed on these issues--you
or me? Considering that you hide behind a fake name, you might think twice
about how truthful you sound.....
Anyone who wants to meet me, or dive with me, can.
Anyone who wants to call me, can.
We don't know who you are, where you are, no one can meet you....know one
knows for sure what you do for a living --other than being a shill for
CDNN....Yeah, you have a great deal of credibility, who ever you are
pretending to be

Dan Volker
Lake Worth, Fl

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:25:11 -0500, "Dan Volker"
<dvolker@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>
>"Slow Death" <123@bioforus.uv> wrote in message
>news:5befa869530a1e7681eeef06a087c1f4@news.terane ws.com...
>>>
>> Lies. CDNN repeatedly condemned all chumming regardless of "rmarine
>> recreational orientation". You know that. Yet you continue to
>> characterize Cyber Diver as pro-fishing. That's your problem--that's
>> why you lost. You are a liar Dan. Everybody in Florida knows that.
>> You have no credibility. NONE.
>
>
>Really ? You want to run a poll to see who is believed on these issues--you
>or me? Considering that you hide behind a fake name, you might think twice
>about how truthful you sound.....
>Anyone who wants to meet me, or dive with me, can.
>Anyone who wants to call me, can.
> We don't know who you are, where you are, no one can meet you....know one
>knows for sure what you do for a living --other than being a shill for
>CDNN....Yeah, you have a great deal of credibility, who ever you are
>pretending to be
>
>Dan Volker
>Lake Worth, Fl
>

The poll already happened bitch. YOU LOST. Shark feeding is illegal
in the state of Florida. Why? Because you lied. We know that. We
know you have no credibiliy. NONE. Get over it!

"Slow Death" <123@bioforus.uv> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:25:11 -0500, "Dan Volker"
> <dvolker@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Slow Death" <123@bioforus.uv> wrote in message
> >news:5befa869530a1e7681eeef06a087c1f4@news.terane ws.com...
> >>>
> >> Lies. CDNN repeatedly condemned all chumming regardless of "rmarine
> >> recreational orientation". You know that. Yet you continue to
> >> characterize Cyber Diver as pro-fishing. That's your problem--that's
> >> why you lost. You are a liar Dan. Everybody in Florida knows that.
> >> You have no credibility. NONE.
> >
> >
> >Really ? You want to run a poll to see who is believed on these
issues--you
> >or me? Considering that you hide behind a fake name, you might think
twice
> >about how truthful you sound.....
> >Anyone who wants to meet me, or dive with me, can.
> >Anyone who wants to call me, can.
> > We don't know who you are, where you are, no one can meet you....know
one
> >knows for sure what you do for a living --other than being a shill for
> >CDNN....Yeah, you have a great deal of credibility, who ever you are
> >pretending to be
> >
> >Dan Volker
> >Lake Worth, Fl
> >
>
> The poll already happened bitch. YOU LOST. Shark feeding is illegal
> in the state of Florida. Why? Because you lied. We know that. We
> know you have no credibiliy. NONE. Get over it!

This was a "poll" where the blatant misinformation disseminated by you and
the fishing lobby, scared the local beach front condo owners, into thinking
that shark dives 3 miles from shore, could draw sharks into their beach,
where there children or grandchildren would be "eaten".
And then, in an awesome display of hypocrisy, CDNN and you, failed to make
even a "peep" about the REAL threat at the fishing piers located within
swimming areas---a huge shark chumming event which continues unabated to
this day--and one you and CDNN remain SILENT about.

Dan V

"Slow Death" <123@bioforus.uv> wrote in message
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> On 14 Nov 2003 06:34:52 -0800, de Valois <devalois@nailedandused.com>
> wrote:
>
><SANIP> that's where you get your paycheck, isn't it bitch?

Have you ever met JCACTION?

"Proud Mary" wrote

> Just bought USD $2500 worth of Mares and Suunto because they support
> CDNN. I know it's difficult for islanders but why not dump the tired
> old limey territorialism bit and get hip to the EU and the global
> beat! It's going to happen whether you like it or not.

One of the two manufacturers you chose is probably pretty good. Sorry you
chose Suunto unless you were looking for something to use in guage mode.
Their unique approach to nitrox and partial pressures of O2 have earned them
the scorn of quite a few divers.

Lee

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:44:20 -0500, "Dan Volker"
<dvolker@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>
>"Slow Death" <123@bioforus.uv> wrote in message
>news:45b5355425270d111557781678b48295@news.terane ws.com...
>> On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:25:11 -0500, "Dan Volker"
>> <dvolker@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Slow Death" <123@bioforus.uv> wrote in message
>> >news:5befa869530a1e7681eeef06a087c1f4@news.terane ws.com...
>> >>>
>> >> Lies. CDNN repeatedly condemned all chumming regardless of "rmarine
>> >> recreational orientation". You know that. Yet you continue to
>> >> characterize Cyber Diver as pro-fishing. That's your problem--that's
>> >> why you lost. You are a liar Dan. Everybody in Florida knows that.
>> >> You have no credibility. NONE.
>> >
>> >
>> >Really ? You want to run a poll to see who is believed on these
>issues--you
>> >or me? Considering that you hide behind a fake name, you might think
>twice
>> >about how truthful you sound.....
>> >Anyone who wants to meet me, or dive with me, can.
>> >Anyone who wants to call me, can.
>> > We don't know who you are, where you are, no one can meet you....know
>one
>> >knows for sure what you do for a living --other than being a shill for
>> >CDNN....Yeah, you have a great deal of credibility, who ever you are
>> >pretending to be
>> >
>> >Dan Volker
>> >Lake Worth, Fl
>> >
>>
>> The poll already happened bitch. YOU LOST. Shark feeding is illegal
>> in the state of Florida. Why? Because you lied. We know that. We
>> know you have no credibiliy. NONE. Get over it!
>
>This was a "poll" where the blatant misinformation disseminated by you and
>the fishing lobby, scared the local beach front condo owners, into thinking
>that shark dives 3 miles from shore, could draw sharks into their beach,
>where there children or grandchildren would be "eaten".
>And then, in an awesome display of hypocrisy, CDNN and you, failed to make
>even a "peep" about the REAL threat at the fishing piers located within
>swimming areas---a huge shark chumming event which continues unabated to
>this day--and one you and CDNN remain SILENT about.
>
>Dan V
>


You are lying and that's why you lost. You have no credibility Dan.
Everybody in Florida knows that. Case in point. It's a matter of
record that CDNN condemned all chumming. You know that yet you
continue to lie about CDNN, the same "disparage your opponents"
strategy that guaranteed your failure during the shark feeding wars.
You and your marine wildlife harassment pals attempted AND FAILED to
justify shark feeding by arguing that sport fishers are also assholes.
You are so stupid, you still don't understand why that strategy
failed. You are a liar Dan. That's why you lost. Get over it bitch.

"Dan Volker" wrote

> > Lies. CDNN repeatedly condemned all chumming regardless of "rmarine
> > recreational orientation". You know that. Yet you continue to
> > characterize Cyber Diver as pro-fishing. That's your problem--that's
> > why you lost. You are a liar Dan. Everybody in Florida knows that.
> > You have no credibility. NONE.
>
>
> Really ? You want to run a poll to see who is believed on these
issues--you
> or me?

Careful, the outcome might not be as clear cut as predicted. There's no
doubt in my mind that issues you raised about fish cleaning and fishing from
piers immediately adjacent to swimming areas are as you represented them,
but that was never the issue being discussed by the state of Florida. As
true as your comments were, I see them as an attempt to divert attention
from what was actually being addressed. I said it before ane I'll say it
again. Your concern may deserve attention and action, but it is not the
issue being addressed in the Florida hearings. There were a lot of people,
with a lot of money at stake, claiming that feeding sharks did not change
their behavior and would not cause them to associate people with food. At
best, they were wrong. At worst, they were intentionally lying.

Lee

"Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> "Dan Volker" wrote
>
> > > Lies. CDNN repeatedly condemned all chumming regardless of "rmarine
> > > recreational orientation". You know that. Yet you continue to
> > > characterize Cyber Diver as pro-fishing. That's your problem--that's
> > > why you lost. You are a liar Dan. Everybody in Florida knows that.
> > > You have no credibility. NONE.
> >
> >
> > Really ? You want to run a poll to see who is believed on these
> issues--you
> > or me?
>
> Careful, the outcome might not be as clear cut as predicted. There's no
> doubt in my mind that issues you raised about fish cleaning and fishing
from
> piers immediately adjacent to swimming areas are as you represented them,
> but that was never the issue being discussed by the state of Florida. As
> true as your comments were, I see them as an attempt to divert attention
> from what was actually being addressed. I said it before ane I'll say it
> again. Your concern may deserve attention and action, but it is not the
> issue being addressed in the Florida hearings. There were a lot of
people,
> with a lot of money at stake, claiming that feeding sharks did not change
> their behavior and would not cause them to associate people with food. At
> best, they were wrong. At worst, they were intentionally lying.
>
> Lee
>

Lee,
Here is my analogy: A huge sewage pipe ruptures, and is spewing a ton of
sewage per day on YOUR nice yard behind your house.
You pretty much ignore this, for years, and then one day, a handful of dog
walkers begin walking by your yard, and a few allow their dogs it piss and
shit on your yard---and you scream bloody murder about it, and threaten the
police, lawsuits, etc.

This to me, was the issue with shore and pier fishing , along our swimming
beaches, and shark dives 2 to 3 miles from the beaches.

If the state wanted to end the danger, they should deal with the big threat
first--the shore and pier fishing at swimming beaches. If that disappears,
then it would be valid to raise concerns about the shark feeding miles away
from the beach.

Fear of imminent attacks to swimmers was the cause of the law--not a few
divers who had concerns--even if they were valid.

And sure, it would not be right for someone to curb their dog in your
yard---but if you have a sewage outfall for a yard, what's the harm ?

Regards,
Dan V

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:17:13 GMT, "Lee Bell"
<leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> wrote:

>There were a lot of people,
>with a lot of money at stake, claiming that feeding sharks did not change
>their behavior and would not cause them to associate people with food. At
>best, they were wrong. At worst, they were intentionally lying.
>
>Lee
>

Worse than "worst", the shark feeders ran all over Florida smearing
the pro-ban coalition as "stooges" and "lunatics" and "fishing
industry special interests". That "discredit your opponents" strategy
backfired because anybody could understand it simply wasn't true. The
fact that Dan is still attempting to foment that anti-CDNN crap speaks
volumes about why the feeders lost and why they will fail to reverse
the ban no matter how much money PADI/DEMA pumps into the "let's feed
sharks to save sharks" bullshit.

"Slow Death" <123@bioforus.uv> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:17:13 GMT, "Lee Bell"
> <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >There were a lot of people,
> >with a lot of money at stake, claiming that feeding sharks did not change
> >their behavior and would not cause them to associate people with food.
At
> >best, they were wrong. At worst, they were intentionally lying.
> >
> >Lee
> >
>
> Worse than "worst", the shark feeders ran all over Florida smearing
> the pro-ban coalition as "stooges" and "lunatics" and "fishing
> industry special interests". That "discredit your opponents" strategy
> backfired because anybody could understand it simply wasn't true. The
> fact that Dan is still attempting to foment that anti-CDNN crap speaks
> volumes about why the feeders lost and why they will fail to reverse
> the ban no matter how much money PADI/DEMA pumps into the "let's feed
> sharks to save sharks" bullshit.

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.....Just keep spitting out the same misdirected
information.
How about actually DOING something, and take up arms against the chumming at
fishing piers---shore fishing and pier fishing is a huge threat to nearby
swimmers --why don't you and CDNN care about this enough to give it some
news coverage--at least comprable to what you did with the dive based shark
feeds...If you actually went after the shore and Pier fishing, I'd have to
take your side on an issue--and that would be "horrible" for me


Dan V