PADI Adventure Diver? Adventure Dives

What makes a Padi adventure diver?

afaik 3 "adventure dives" is an "Adventure Diver", 5 including deep and nav
is an "Advanced Diver"

Assuming you dont do a course for all dives, can you have the dives "signed
off" individually and build up to the cert?

If so what do you need to get a dive classed as an "adventure dive" - Do you
need an instructor or will a DM do? I assume that there is a knowledge
review in the manual to fill in to (but no theory)

Once you have all your dives signed off can you then apply to padi for the
cert? or would this need to be done by an instructor what you complete your
last dive?

Any idea how much padi registration costs (in £ or USD)

"John" <John@noemail.com> wrote in message
news:GNwvb.7437$3k1.63353914@news-text.cableinet.net...
>
> "Bardo" <anon@anon.com> wrote in message
> news:bpm53b$1p0qgq$1@ID-115313.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > "John" <John@noemail.com> wrote in message
> > news:SVvvb.7390$VK.62718065@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > > What makes a Padi adventure diver?
> > >
> > > afaik 3 "adventure dives" is an "Adventure Diver", 5 including deep
and
> > nav
> > > is an "Advanced Diver"
> >
> > No, it does not make you an 'Advanced Diver' - it makes you an 'Advanced
> > Open Water' diver which is effectively a fancy term for 'Entry Level
Diver
> > with a few more skills under his belt'.
>
> Sorry about not making this clear - totally agree that an OW who has
> completed AOW is by no means Advanced - really the term "adventure diver"
is
> better, as am AOW could be someone with as little as 9 dives. (ps I am a
> PADI RD myself)

Agreed 100% John - personally I think PADI should rename AOW to 'Adventure
Diver Plus' or something along those lines... certainly the word 'advanced'
shouldn't be used until much later on in the PADI training system! Some
would argue that perhaps it shouldn't appear at all!

> Agreed 100% John - personally I think PADI should rename AOW to 'Adventure
> Diver Plus' or something along those lines... certainly the word
'advanced'
> shouldn't be used until much later on in the PADI training system! Some
> would argue that perhaps it shouldn't appear at all!

Wouldnt be a bad idea, but we all know that PADI find it easier to "sell" an
OW student the "Advanced Course" rather than make them shell out money for 5
dives, which only makes them an "Adventure Diver Plus" and does not seem as
worthwhile to the new student.

Personally I find little value in the AOW. After the completion of the basic
OW course what is needed is experience in the water rather than 5 more
packaged dives. A Open Water diver with 100 dives completed will be a far
more competant diver than an "Advanced" who has done his 4 training dives,
and his 5 "advanced" dives. You usually get more navigation experience on a
average dive in Stoney, than swimming a square on your advanced course in
the red sea!

Unfortuanly due to PADI system the AOW has to be completed to take the
Rescue Course, (a course that is actually useful). Quite why rescue cant be
taken after the preterminded number of dives (experience) rather than AOW I
dont know (hang on, PADI couldnt miss out on selling the AOW course!)

p.s I am in the PADI camp, so hopefully you will understand that I am not
PADI bashing. However BSAC are as bad renaming the entry course from Novice
Diver to Ocean Diver to make it more marketable.

> Agreed 100% John - personally I think PADI should rename AOW to 'Adventure
> Diver Plus' or something along those lines... certainly the word
'advanced'
> shouldn't be used until much later on in the PADI training system! Some
> would argue that perhaps it shouldn't appear at all!
>
well all my friends who don't dive seem impressed when I tell them I am an
Advanced Diver. Its a shame I then have to tell them that Advanced is really
an entry level certification. I think changing the name to something other
than Advanced
would make the accident rate fall. I meet so many Advanced divers who are
not.

I just went diving in Sydney with weedy sea dragons. Before the dive the
guide asked
some one if he was ok with the dive. he said "Yes ive done a fair few dives"
pushed a little further
he admitted to only 19 dives. We dived in a group of four the guide and
this diver , Karen and myself
Karen who is usually has a good sac ran low on air enough for the guide to
change the buddy pairs and
surface with Karen. Leaving me with a young 19 dive diver who I did not
know. We only buddied for
another ten mins or so. Knowing he only had 19 dives behind him did change
the way I treated my buddy
but He was fine "Well nothing went wrong". The point I was trying to make
Knowing how many dives he had done
was better than Knowing his qualification.

Regards David

"david" <im@fedup.com> wrote in message
news:bpnis9$180$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
>
> Knowing how many dives he had done
> was better than Knowing his qualification.
I am not neccessarily dissagreeing with you but how many dives constitute
an"advanced diver"
or conversely what kind of experience?? I still prefer the old OWII and then
advanced but that
still ment that you had a very limited amount of dives and experience to be
labeled "advanced"
2c worth
Richard
> Regards David
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> > Knowing how many dives he had done
> > was better than Knowing his qualification.
> I am not neccessarily dissagreeing with you but how many dives constitute
> an"advanced diver"

i think that is the point the name advanced dive does not match the
card

Bardo wrote:
> "John" <John@noemail.com> wrote in message
> news:GNwvb.7437$3k1.63353914@news-text.cableinet.net...
>
>>"Bardo" <anon@anon.com> wrote in message
>>news:bpm53b$1p0qgq$1@ID-115313.news.uni-berlin.de...
>>
>>>"John" <John@noemail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:SVvvb.7390$VK.62718065@news-text.cableinet.net...
>>>
>>>>What makes a Padi adventure diver?
>>>>
>>>>afaik 3 "adventure dives" is an "Adventure Diver", 5 including deep
>>>
> and
>
>>>nav
>>>
>>>>is an "Advanced Diver"
>>>
>>>No, it does not make you an 'Advanced Diver' - it makes you an 'Advanced
>>>Open Water' diver which is effectively a fancy term for 'Entry Level
>>
> Diver
>
>>>with a few more skills under his belt'.
>>
>>Sorry about not making this clear - totally agree that an OW who has
>>completed AOW is by no means Advanced - really the term "adventure diver"
>
> is
>
>>better, as am AOW could be someone with as little as 9 dives. (ps I am a
>>PADI RD myself)
>
>
> Agreed 100% John - personally I think PADI should rename AOW to 'Adventure
> Diver Plus' or something along those lines... certainly the word 'advanced'
> shouldn't be used until much later on in the PADI training system! Some
> would argue that perhaps it shouldn't appear at all!

To be honest, I'm not sure why AOW is a course at all. Sure, you learn a
bit but I think you learn more by just doing a dozen dives after getting
your OW card. AOW seems to me like an excuse to grab a bit of extra cash
off divers between OW and Rescue (which I do think are worthwhile courses).

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:00:18 GMT, "John" <John@noemail.com> wrote:

>What makes a Padi adventure diver?

Cash

Laz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A foolproof method for sculpting an Elephant:
First, get a huge block of marble. Then, chip away
everything that doesn't look like an Elephant.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Change "nospam" to "ntlworld" to reply.

"david" <im@fedup.com> wrote in message
news:bpns9l$hp6$1@titan.btinternet.com...
> > > Knowing how many dives he had done
> > > was better than Knowing his qualification.
> > I am not neccessarily dissagreeing with you but how many dives
constitute
> > an"advanced diver"
>
> i think that is the point the name advanced dive does not match the
> card
>
>

The term Advanced Diver in its own right means nothing. The fact of the
matter is that the certification we are discussing is "Advanced OPEN WATER
Diver" - that is an Open Water Diver with more training and supervised
experience than a standard Open Water Diver. Nothing more, nothing less.

And lets face it, who is actually impressed by someone calling themselves an
Advanced Open Water Diver? Non-divers, that's who...

CAS
--
PADI AOW? Get Rescue Training on UKRS Course #1 -
http://divesite.calumscott.me.uk/ukrs/rescue_diver_2004
Temperature @ Stoney? Find it or share it @
http://stoneytemps.calumscott.me.uk/

BarryNL <barry@nospam.nl> wrote in message news:<3FBFFF6A.9030007@nospam.nl>...
> Bardo wrote:
> > "John" <John@noemail.com> wrote in message
> > news:GNwvb.7437$3k1.63353914@news-text.cableinet.net...
> >
> >>"Bardo" <anon@anon.com> wrote in message
> >>news:bpm53b$1p0qgq$1@ID-115313.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >>
> >>>"John" <John@noemail.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:SVvvb.7390$VK.62718065@news-text.cableinet.net...
> >>>
> >>>>What makes a Padi adventure diver?
> >>>>
> >>>>afaik 3 "adventure dives" is an "Adventure Diver", 5 including deep
> >>>
> > and
> >
> >>>nav
> >>>
> >>>>is an "Advanced Diver"
> >>>
> >>>No, it does not make you an 'Advanced Diver' - it makes you an 'Advanced
> >>>Open Water' diver which is effectively a fancy term for 'Entry Level
> >>
> > Diver
> >
> >>>with a few more skills under his belt'.
> >>
> >>Sorry about not making this clear - totally agree that an OW who has
> >>completed AOW is by no means Advanced - really the term "adventure diver"
> >
> > is
> >
> >>better, as am AOW could be someone with as little as 9 dives. (ps I am a
> >>PADI RD myself)
> >
> >
> > Agreed 100% John - personally I think PADI should rename AOW to 'Adventure
> > Diver Plus' or something along those lines... certainly the word 'advanced'
> > shouldn't be used until much later on in the PADI training system! Some
> > would argue that perhaps it shouldn't appear at all!
>
> To be honest, I'm not sure why AOW is a course at all. Sure, you learn a
> bit but I think you learn more by just doing a dozen dives after getting
> your OW card. AOW seems to me like an excuse to grab a bit of extra cash
> off divers between OW and Rescue (which I do think are worthwhile courses).


Yes to a certain extent AOW can be assumed a money making thing
BUT
A new diver will often use it as their next step to do more diving
or even their first dives after OW they probably arnt in a club
(yet) etc and still would like to dive with a Inst or DM there
AOW is 5 dives in different surroundings than they probably
trained OW in
with an experienced diver learning more skills that are usefull and
practicing OW ones etc
our shop courses is similer to most in UK and includes Full
Kit hire and boat fees and air etc in the price if you did 5
dives and had no kit ( as a lot of new OW divers are) so had to
hire the kit and pay boat fees etc its not to bad considering
you could be on a boat buddied to some one you never met (shouldnt
happen in a Club enviroment i know but thats not ness the norm)
once you get to rescue course your expected to provide or Hire
your own kit

there are arguments both ways to doing AOW straight away or
building up some OW dives first

arguabley OW and AOW could be the starting level combined with
RD being considered the norm for any more than the once a year
with an instructor /Guide diver


Duncan (PADI Diver)