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Hi
Having just fitted a new chip to my old computer is there any XP programmes
I can run to find out the speed of the CPU cos XP is telling something
different to the box it can in..

Thanks
MarkW

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"Mark Williams" <mark.nospam.williams@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Having just fitted a new chip to my old computer is there any XP programmes
> I can run to find out the speed of the CPU cos XP is telling something
> different to the box it can in..

Get yourself a copy of the Knoppix CD (best downloaded via BitTorrent).

This is a bootable, no-install version of Debian Linux. It allows you to
use all the Unix tools - so you can examine your system much more
easily...

Vic.


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"Mark Williams" <mark.nospam.williams@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Hi
> Having just fitted a new chip to my old computer is there any XP
programmes
> I can run to find out the speed of the CPU cos XP is telling something
> different to the box it can in..
>
> Thanks
> MarkW
>
> nospam to scuba to reply
>
>
>

Try this site, they provide all sorts of (downloadable) benchmarking
software:
http://www.sisoftware.co.uk/


Jeff.

Is it by any chance an Athlon????+ that you have put in - they actually run
at a lower speed than that stated on the box, but promise an equivalent
performance eg I have an Athlon 2000+, that actually runs at 1666


"Mark Williams" <mark.nospam.williams@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Hi
> Having just fitted a new chip to my old computer is there any XP
programmes
> I can run to find out the speed of the CPU cos XP is telling something
> different to the box it can in..
>
> Thanks
> MarkW
>
> nospam to scuba to reply
>
>
>

"Chris Quinn" <chris.quinn@nospam.zoom.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Is it by any chance an Athlon????+ that you have put in - they actually
run
> at a lower speed than that stated on the box, but promise an equivalent
> performance eg I have an Athlon 2000+, that actually runs at 1666

True, but Windows XP would identify an Althon 2000+ as an Athlon 2000+, not
just any old 1666MHz chip.

Why they say it's equivalent to a chip running at 2GHz, I have no idea. At a
push, it might manage to hold its own against a 2GHz P4 (assuming the P4 is
crippled with DDR), but IIRC Earth Simulator runs at 2GHz (if not then
'slower') - your chip simply won't take on high performance computer
facilities with their own power stations.

Alun Harford

Have you checked the bios. On some there are options to set the
processor speed manually.

Rowan.

"Mark Williams" <mark.nospam.williams@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:<bpvfrv$1r1bjd$1@ID-169335.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> Hi
> Having just fitted a new chip to my old computer is there any XP programmes
> I can run to find out the speed of the CPU cos XP is telling something
> different to the box it can in..
>
> Thanks
> MarkW
>
> nospam to scuba to reply

"Alun Harford" <alunharford@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Mark Williams" <mark.nospam.williams@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:bpvfrv$1r1bjd$1@ID-169335.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Hi
> > Having just fitted a new chip to my old computer is there any XP
> programmes
> > I can run to find out the speed of the CPU cos XP is telling something
> > different to the box it can in..
>
> Windows XP uses a database of chip speeds to determine your chip.
> That's the speed that the chip is running at - no doubt.
>
> That doesn't mean that it's the speed the chip is 'designed' to run at -
> check your BIOS settings and (if the system is old enough or
multi-processor
> enough) jumpers.
>
> Alun Harford

Well that makes some scence because i have changed the motherboard to
(Gigabyte GA-7VAXP Ultra ) and chip (2800+ 333FBS) so its back to the
instruction book. Any tips
Thanks
MarkW

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>
> "Chris Quinn" <chris.quinn@nospam.zoom.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:bpvn31$6bo$1@titan.btinternet.com...
> > Is it by any chance an Athlon????+ that you have put in - they actually
> run
> > at a lower speed than that stated on the box, but promise an equivalent
> > performance eg I have an Athlon 2000+, that actually runs at 1666
> >
>
> yep its a 2800+ but comes up as 1.28 (I think cos i am in work now and
can't
> remember ).

A 2800+ is a 166MHz x 12.5 = 2083MHz chip (from page 91 Model 10 Athlon
specs).
Looks like your motherboard is saying that it's a 100MHz x 12.5 chip (or
possibly 102MHz but that's unlikely unless you're trying to overclock the
chip).

That's the techie stuff for the computer-ish people here.

Task for you: Go to your BIOS (keep hitting the 'delete' key as your
computer is starting up seems to be the standard on all sane systems).
Look for an option along the lines of 'CPU SoftMenu' or 'CPU frequency
control'.
Set everything to auto-detect. Save and reboot.

If your computer refuses to boot up then you'll need to unplug it, open the
case, find the CMOS battery (looks like a big watch battery, on the
motherboard near the bottom of the case close to the front), take it out,
wait 1 minute and then put it back in.
Unlikely that will happen but there is always a chance if you're fiddling
with the BIOS.

Alun Harford

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Alun Harford wrote:

> Why they say it's equivalent to a chip running at 2GHz, I have no idea. At a
> push, it might manage to hold its own against a 2GHz P4 (assuming the P4 is
> crippled with DDR), but IIRC Earth Simulator runs at 2GHz (if not then
> 'slower') - your chip simply won't take on high performance computer
> facilities with their own power stations.


I'm not entirely convinced that you know what you're on about here old
bean...

Horses for courses and it depends exactly what software you're running
(including, but not exclusivly the operating system) - but my own
experience (running large astronomical datasets) is that in fact
Athalons are even faster than their claimed P4 equivalents. (The test
sample is a hetrogeneous beowulf cluster of about 25 high end machines
hobbled together from P3s, P4s, Athalons and Alphas which has so far
completed about 4 years worth of CPU for me)

Not that this helps poor old Mark though!

Ben


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My name (no spaces)@bigfoot which is a com.

"Ben Panter" <See@the_end.not> wrote in message
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> [even further off thread]
>
> Alun Harford wrote:
>
> > Why they say it's equivalent to a chip running at 2GHz, I have no idea.
At a
> > push, it might manage to hold its own against a 2GHz P4 (assuming the P4
is
> > crippled with DDR), but IIRC Earth Simulator runs at 2GHz (if not then
> > 'slower') - your chip simply won't take on high performance computer
> > facilities with their own power stations.
>
>
> I'm not entirely convinced that you know what you're on about here old
> bean...
>
> Horses for courses and it depends exactly what software you're running
> (including, but not exclusivly the operating system) - but my own
> experience (running large astronomical datasets) is that in fact
> Athalons are even faster than their claimed P4 equivalents. (The test
> sample is a hetrogeneous beowulf cluster of about 25 high end machines
> hobbled together from P3s, P4s, Athalons and Alphas which has so far
> completed about 4 years worth of CPU for me)

What are you doing with the cluster?
How big are you talking about when you say 'large astronomical datasets'?
By big, do you mean 'far bigger than 4 gig' or do you mean a few hundred
megs (the work I've done on clusters is bioinformatics, where 'big' tends to
mean 'don't even try to put that in the memory')

Most such work uses a lot of memory, rarther than simply FLOPs.
What kind of memory are you using there? If they're really 'high end'
machines are you trying to tell me that an Althlon XP with dual-interleaved
DDR400 (and that assumes the machines are still very modern) can take on a
P4 with RAMbus @ 1066MHz (or even with DDR400 when hyperthreaded)., well I'm
sorry but I'm going to laugh... lots.

CINT2000:
Althlon XP 3200+ on ASUS A7N8X Motherboard rev. 2.0 : 1044 base, 1080 peak.
Pentium 4 on Intel D875PBZ motherboard 3.2 GHz : 1287 base, 1330 peak.

CFP2000:
Althlon XP 3200+ on ASUS A7N8X Motherboard rev. 2.0 : 873 base, 982 peak.
Pentium 4 on Intel D875PBZ motherboard 3.2 GHz : 1252 base, 1267 peak.

P4s win hands down. And that's without considering P4EEs, which get another
~200 CFP2000 pts on top of the normal P4s (well what did you expect from all
that L2? )

Won't stop me buying AMD though:

Athlon XP3200 (Barton): £203+VAT
P4 3.2GHz: £262.69+VAT

Motherboards are more expensive too (and don't get me started on RAMbus)

Athlon XPs overclock very nicely too (running 2500+ @ 3200+; well I'd like
to see somebody try that we a P4)

GCC evens it out though because it's a rubbish complier for x86.
It's quite funny that even AMD use the Intel compiler for SPEC testing -
*so* much faster than GCC.

Alun Harford