Dorothea Death

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/3334461.stm


MarkW

nospam to scuba to reply

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:55:32 -0000, "Mark Williams"
<mark.nospam.williams@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/3334461.stm
>
>
>MarkW

What are the reasons? Quarries are typically cold, but with no
currents or obstructions.

Are people going into tunnels, over-extending themselves, or what?

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Mike from Ottawa

Mike from Ottawa wrote:
> "Mark Williams" wrote:
>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/3334461.stm
>
> What are the reasons? Quarries are typically cold, but with no
> currents or obstructions.
>
> Are people going into tunnels, over-extending themselves, or what?

The report says 'heart attack' which is normally a pretty clear
diagnosis in hindsight but unless you know what it feels like
you don't know what is coming. You don't have to be exerting
yourself for it to start. I had my first one in bed asleep and a
medically trained wife recognised it put me straight in an
ambulance .
Thanks to her I'm not only still here but I've even got my diving
medical back. My father-in-law had 'acute indigestion' all day
and died while washing up. Upper chest pain in a middle aged
male is serious. With my history I've called a dive and stayed
on the boat on what was probably just breakfast not digesting
but I won't risk leaving a buddy asking if they could have done
anything when it was my fault.

The buddy is reported bent so I guess he did everything to
get the victim out. Hero.

Sympathy to all.

nigelH

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:11:36 -0500, Mike from Ottawa
<mev@tikacanoe.ca> wrote:

>On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:55:32 -0000, "Mark Williams"
><mark.nospam.williams@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/3334461.stm
>>
>>
>>MarkW
>
>What are the reasons? Quarries are typically cold, but with no
>currents or obstructions.
>
>Are people going into tunnels, over-extending themselves, or what?
>

As Nigel says this one was probably one of the unavoidable ones but
Dorothea has a bad record mainly through (IMHO) people pushing the
limits too much. Some people don't seem to realise that 60m of water
over your head is 60m of water, whether that is in a lake or out to
sea



Pete
diving 'at' melbourne 'dot' me 'dot' uk

> >
> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/3334461.stm

My condolences to the family, and my bets wishes to the buddy for a
speedy recovery.

I do wish they would get their facts right. 300 Metres! And next
time they report a climbing death in the Cairngorms I hope they
remember to call them notorious and include a count of deaths!

digs

Just dived there on Sat, some people knew the victim, they said the cause is
not yet known. The victim was experienced, knew of the dangers and has dived
there regularly. Post mortem only can confirm the heart attack theory.

It was in the 56m tunnel and he was dragged out by his buddy and lifted. The
tunnel is slightly curved and slopes gently so the exit can't be seen until
penetrating a few metres, its a little snug but theres room enough to turn
around, there are no snag hazards and it has a properly laid caving rope
attached to the ceiling.

I know this tunnel from previous dives- I wasn't morbidly surveying the scene
after the accident. On our ascent from a 40m dive my buddy found the mask and
weight belt on a 22m shelf on the normal ascent route from the tunnel. NO we
weren't looking for them!

The kit has been handed to someone to pass on to the coroner. Please lets not
speculate or judge before more is known. I will post some details if anything
is found as a definate cause of this accident, so we can learn

On 21 Dec 2003 19:11:43 GMT, rhamp3601@aol.comnojunk (Rob Hampton)
wrote:

>Just dived there on Sat, some people knew the victim, they said the cause is
>not yet known. The victim was experienced, knew of the dangers and has dived
>there regularly. Post mortem only can confirm the heart attack theory.
>
>It was in the 56m tunnel and he was dragged out by his buddy and lifted. The
>tunnel is slightly curved and slopes gently so the exit can't be seen until
>penetrating a few metres, its a little snug but theres room enough to turn
>around, there are no snag hazards and it has a properly laid caving rope
>attached to the ceiling.

Does it tend to silt up?

>I know this tunnel from previous dives- I wasn't morbidly surveying the scene
>after the accident. On our ascent from a 40m dive my buddy found the mask and
>weight belt on a 22m shelf on the normal ascent route from the tunnel. NO we
>weren't looking for them!
>
>The kit has been handed to someone to pass on to the coroner. Please lets not
>speculate or judge before more is known. I will post some details if anything
>is found as a definate cause of this accident, so we can learn

Around here (Ontario, Canada), we almost never hear about the causes
of diving deaths. It's not morbid fascination or anything other than
a desire to learn from what happened. Sometimes there are coroner
investigations, but these data should be published somewhere.

Does the UK publish the reasons for diving deaths? Is it on a
website, or via publications?


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Mike from Ottawa

> Does the UK publish the reasons for diving deaths? Is it on a
> website, or via publications?

BSAC collect information about most diving incidents in the UK, with data
supplied by divers, emergency services and anyone else who submits it
really.
See http://www.bsac.org/techserv/increp03/intro.htm

David

I still dive even after a heart bypass, so iam even more protected now than
before.
"Nigel Hewitt" <nigelh@REMOVETHISnigelhewitt.net> wrote in message
news:bs169p$eih$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> Mike from Ottawa wrote:
> > "Mark Williams" wrote:
> >
> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/3334461.stm
> >
> > What are the reasons? Quarries are typically cold, but with no
> > currents or obstructions.
> >
> > Are people going into tunnels, over-extending themselves, or what?
>
> The report says 'heart attack' which is normally a pretty clear
> diagnosis in hindsight but unless you know what it feels like
> you don't know what is coming. You don't have to be exerting
> yourself for it to start. I had my first one in bed asleep and a
> medically trained wife recognised it put me straight in an
> ambulance .
> Thanks to her I'm not only still here but I've even got my diving
> medical back. My father-in-law had 'acute indigestion' all day
> and died while washing up. Upper chest pain in a middle aged
> male is serious. With my history I've called a dive and stayed
> on the boat on what was probably just breakfast not digesting
> but I won't risk leaving a buddy asking if they could have done
> anything when it was my fault.
>
> The buddy is reported bent so I guess he did everything to
> get the victim out. Hero.
>
> Sympathy to all.
>
> nigelH
>
>
>